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Mercedes-Benz CLK (2005 and earlier)

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  • huntzingerhuntzinger Posts: 350
    [Another interesting fact about the C230 concerns its cost outside] of the United States. When the VAT is taken into account in Europe, many countries price out the C230 Kompressor at nearly $50,000

    Well, that certainly explains that "Agree not to export" document I was asked to sign at delivery! Anyone else run into this one?

    -hh
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,546
    Wax your wheels and rinse them off whenever you can. Even if you can't wash your entire car, wash the wheels. Brake Sust shields such as "Kleen Wheels" are quite effective at keeping wheels free of brake dust for longer peroids of time, however they do cause excess heat and reduce ventilation and will cause your rotors to warp. Replacing warped brake rotors on a Mercedes isn't cheap. So wax your wheels and wash them as often as you can.

    huntzinger: You drove a car with no Radio? Didn't you get bored? LOL!

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • huntzingerhuntzinger Posts: 350
    The key differentiation between the 318ti and the C230 is the power -- not just raw horsepower, which is good, but plenty of torque at low rpm's. The 318ti was a pretender when it came to performance, while the C230 delivers very good performance.

    Agreed, 110%. I almost bought a TI a few years ago and the reason why was a combination of extreme salesman indifference, combined with it being a gutless wonder; my old 8V Scirocco had significantly more "zip", which was probably due to VW having stroker motors and BMW's preference to run square (or even slightly under square), which hurts torque output. As we all (should) know, people buy HP, but drive torque.

    -hh

    PS: No Radio. Yes, the '79 Civic's standard equipment did not include a radio. No, that doesn't mean that it stayed that way.
  • huntzingerhuntzinger Posts: 350
    - rear window wiper option

    I thought the car didn't need one? Right, that is why it is an option :-))

    Sounds like Benz has listened to some owners and is making some adjustments. Should make a good car even better.


    Hmmm... anyone potentially interested in buying a used 2002 next year? Just rolled 1000 miles this AM.

    -hh
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,546
    Now I'm not starting a 318ti vs. C230K thread or argument here. I agree with huntzinger that the C230 is a much better car then the old ti was. It has much more usable power (torque) and seems like a better built car all around. I too drove a 318ti (slushbox) when it came out and was not impressed at all. However, many people on the 3 series thread seem to like the Ti. I've heard the best way to drive a BMW 4 Cylinder is with a 5 speed and drive it like you hate it! It will be interesting to see if BMW imports the current (E46) 316ti or 325ti. I think they are waiting to see how well the C Coupe sells and if Audi plans to bring the next generation A3 to our shores. This market could get interesting if competition starts to heat up.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • jjpeterjjpeter Posts: 230
    Thanks for the advise. Looks like an ongoing chore to keep the wheels clean. Question; I live in an apartment complex and the hosing off option is kind of hard to pull off. I take the C230 to the car wash periodically where it goes through the gauntlet of swinging rags and sprayers. I noticed that this one place I go to, sprays something from a big "bug sprayer" pressurized can onto the tires and wheels. After about 45 seconds, another guy using a high pressure wand blasts the wheels and tires before the car heads into the car wash section. What is that they are spraying onto the wheels and tires? Is it some sort of harsh chemical that really strips off the road dirt and brake dust, and thus any wax one might apply? Is it eventually harmful to the wheels? Anyone know? Thanks!
  • crikeycrikey Posts: 1,038
    There is a rumor of the 2.3l being changed for a 1.8l. So, not all change is good.

    In other words, if you're basically happy with the '02 version, get it; '03 may be worse.



    New Engines previewed at http://mbspy.bacosys.be/M271.htm


    Well, they might offer other engines aside from the 2.3L, but I doubt that MB would just change the engine to a lower displacement with less power. That would be a severe regression. But, I could be wrong and you could be right.
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    ...will be just that, a family, more than one displacement, with and without supercharging, with and without direct injection. Just exactly which they will choose to put in the Coupe for next year for the North American market is anyone's guess, but I would not bet on less power...just better fuel consumption and lower emissions.

    I too am torn between the attraction of the new technology, and the concern that introducing new technology brings greater reliability risk. Even as I am writing this, I'm trying to decide whether or not to make an offer on a C230 Coupe or wait until next year, or pick something entirely different.

    Drove the car yesterday [automatic required for us] and I was even more impressed than on our first drive 5 months ago. It isn't absolutely quicker than our '01 Accord V6, but the ready torque makes it feel more effortless when you want extra speed. Ride quality is merely comparable to the Accord - no better nor worse. But it is noticeably quieter than the Accord, by a whole bunch, and of course the handling, brakes, and safety features all favor the MB. However, the cargo capacity with the cover in place and the seats up is just over 10 cubic feet, and I am debating about whether I can get by with that given the normal "stuff" this enthusiast has on hand at all times [torque wrench, some tools, cleaning stuff, car cover, etc.]. Still thinking...
  • rancheroranchero Posts: 25
    huntzinger - Yes, I also signed an agreement prohibiting export of my C230K. I talked about this with the dealership; it reminded me of the early '80s when gray market, Euro-spec cars were imported to the USA due to the huge differential in prices in Europe and the strength of the USA dollar. I guess MB pricing is the opposite now, though the dollar is still strong. The car is, in the macro-economic world scheme of things, a screaming deal.

    As for brake dust: I get a lot of it, of course the majority is on the front. To me, this is typical Mercedes. You use the brakes hard because they work great. I notice relatively clean (body washed weekly) E-class sedans all the time with absolutely filthy wheels. The dentist's wives are too lazy to wash the cars themselves and the dopes at the drive through car wash don't do the job any better than they do on the preceeding Grand Marquis or the trailing Explorer.

    jjpeter - you gotta stay on it. What's wrong with cleaning your wonderful car's wheels at your apartment? Some enviro geeks will complain about greasy brake dust in the storm sewers? Do it; it is a special car and deserves to have those wheels maintained well. Get used to dirty Mercedes wheels; this isn't a Civic with wheel covers. It is a performance car with brakes that perform and leave evidence of doing so. The pads are soft; replace them only with MB parts. Note that the cost of new brake pads is on you, not part of your MB maintenance free deal.
  • Thank you for even bringing the brake dust up. I would never even though to look there.

    The dealer didn't even mention the no export issue at all. I didn't have to sign anything related to this. Interest though.
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    Those of you with C coupes, please post what you've experienced for fuel consumption. Please mention which transmission you have, and what your experience with gas mileage has been so far. Thanks for your help.
  • paul_ppaul_p Posts: 271
    To combat brake dust I give my wheels a good coat of wax at least semi-annually, and then wipe them down with a wet rag after driving the car.

    Ranchero, I appreciate your comments and also agree that a C-Class is a special car, and deserves to have the wheels (and everything else) maintained well!
  • merckxmerckx Posts: 565
    It's off post,but how about a few comments about that old Merc sedan you owned. I really admire those old,painted-hub cap models. I'm always on the lookout for an old one to buy as a weekend,hobby car.
  • huntzingerhuntzinger Posts: 350
    Old Merc sedan? Not me: I think you got wires crossed - I mentioned that I had had a 1979 Honda Civic.

    -hh
  • . . . and, at least initially, it is everything I had hoped. I got the C5 and C7 packages which makes the overall appearance quite nice.

    I will try to review it more in depth later. Right now I am going for another spin.

    CP
  • merckxmerckx Posts: 565
    Huntzinger,I was referring to the Mercedes Benz you said you bought in 1968.
  • jjpeterjjpeter Posts: 230
    I believe that was Mr. John Robinson aka jrct9454 who has been driving the three star symbol since 68. Ring him up.
  • pdouglispdouglis Posts: 2
    I've just completed the first 1500 miles on my C230k delivered December 15th of last year . (Alabaster White, C5, K2, Auto Transmission, C1, and C7).

    The more I drive this car, the more I enjoy it. The hatchback gives me far more cargo flexibility than my 1998 Audi A4 did, and it is a much more nimble car than my previous car, a 2000 Infiniti I30t.

    I am very impressed with it's driving performance, braking, and acceleration. Yes, the brake dust is there, but it comes off easily enough. I get about 22-24 miles per gallon driving on mostly urban streets here in Phoenix.

    I love the sunroof -- it's the largest I've ever had. Almost like driving a convertible. The sound system is terrific -- the CD changer in the glove box is a great convenience.

    Since it has not rained here to any extent since I've had this car, it has not needed washing so far. I brush any dust off the car after driving it, and clean off the windshield and wheels with a paper towel, window cleaner, and tire cleaner.

    Eventually I will bring it to our local car wash, and am wondering if I should request the spray-on wax or "preservative" as it goes down the line? While many of you probably wash and wax your own cars, I don't plan do it myself, nor do I plan to take it in to a detailing shop for such services. Does anyone use the spray-on car wax at the car wash on their C230s? Or do you just ask them to wash the car and omit the "wax"? My sales person at the dealership told me that if the car is garaged, that the original factory finish should suffice, but I would like to get any other views on the subject.

    Thanks much,

    Phil Douglis
    pnd1@cox.net
  • I have a silver coupe, auto, roof, 16"ers, bose with high 7000 mi on the clock. In my normal driving around (rural two lanes, driven vigorously but without downshifting) I get mid 20's mpg, usually around 24-26mpg. My best was a 700+ mile trip from Memphis to S/W Va: according to the dash computer I averaged 71mph (mostly 75 speed limit in Tn) and got 31 mpg. The good mileage takes the bite out of the premium gas (last tank $1.35/gal.)

    oh, BTW, hi huntzinger and Markx, been changing ISP's and been out of the loop for a while. Good to see you're still holding the fort and still pleased with your cars.
  • tommyp13tommyp13 Posts: 146
    I'm getting a little more MPG than the old man above. I get 25-26 in mixed (as much as n NJ will allow) driving. Just passed 10k on the odo, and the car's running great.

    Hugh, I just switched back to my C7 rims. I just couldn't take the steel rims anymore. Hope that doesn't jinx us and drop 6 inches of snow on us soon.
  • 78280z78280z Posts: 2
    When the weather is warm, I live in Texas, and the auto fan is on, blasting fan on high, the car will stutter like it is out of gas and die. This happens when standing still or moving. This has happened 6 days so far, since Dec., and on days it happens it continues all day long, unless I turn off the fan. Dealer has had the car two times and has not been able to find anything wrong. This is my first MB and I am not impressed so far!
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,546
    MB customer service. Keep complaining to people until they send a regional service rep to come look at your car.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • jjpeterjjpeter Posts: 230
    pdouglis, I would not rely on the "wax cycle" at the car wash to protect your finish. The sun alone in Phoenix is harsh enough to warrent at least one, good yearly wax job. You invested a good chunk of change for your C230 and having it hand waxed on a yearly basis is a wise move.
  • pdouglispdouglis Posts: 2
    Thanks, jpeter, for the good advice. Your suggestion of a yearly professional waxing on this car makes a lot of sense. I just called the service advisor at my local Mercedes dealership, and they can detail the car for me for $195, which includes hand waxing, which seems relatively reasonable, considering, as you say, my substantial investment in this car.

    Thanks again,

    Phil Douglis
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  • tommyp13tommyp13 Posts: 146
    It varies by dealer. Some give free MB loaners, some give various brands' free loaners, some give none. It may also depend on whether or not you're going to the dealership that sold you the car.
    I'm with nyc - having alot of cars with problems is no excuse for not working on your car. Are you dealing with random people in the service dept? How well did you get along with your salesperson? Sometimes the salesperson can do an end-run around the typical service bs.

    If you want your car fixed, you're going to have to get tough. Ask to talk to the service manager - something smells funny about this whole thing. I'd go ahead and call MBUSA to see if they can verify this problem with supply of parts. Ball's in your court - time to kick some Atlanta dealership booty.

    Also might want to try other dealerships in the area and explain your problem, and name names. Since this is profit to the dealership, you might do better with a different one, and get better service.
  • tariktarik Posts: 344
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  • timjacktimjack Posts: 7
    I appreciate mlsphd taking the time to help me put together a price to offer for the C230 in 744 paint, C-4,C-5, auto, and COMMAND. Greenwich was easier to deal with than Fairfield but as I'm only 10 minutes away bought it in Fairfield. They wouldn't take off the advertising fee (200.) so I paid $200. more to save 30 minutes driving each way for service and iff the last 20 or so postings are any indication of what's to come, I went from :) to :( quickly. I pick up the car next week and would like tommy13 and mlsphd to post with how their vehicle is performing so far. I need the moral boost.
  • skobolaskobola Posts: 207
    Well, I wanted that car since I test drove it on the MB Power Drive Event (or something called like that). However, MB's inflexibility in ordering, i.e., not wanting to fix the lease because they could not fix it as it takes more than 2 months to get the car (like that was my fault?) strayed me out of purchase. Now, seeing Madeline's problem, I am happy that I stayed with BMW, as I just simply ordered a 2002 325i to replace my 99 323i. My 323i was perfect, has not needed any servicing except one oil change at 15,000 miles!
    But back to MB, I hope that MB will come to their senses, and provide at least some support, especially if the car is such a lemon (as based on Madeline's report of MB Support reps' comments). Or is MB turning to be like Chrysler/Dodge part? I hope not!
  • alan9999alan9999 Posts: 1
    I've had my C-Coupe for about 2 weeks now, about 300 miles and I love it. It was a big step for me; I haven't bought a foreign car for many years. I have been counting on MB's reputation for quality and service. The features for the price were just too good to pass up, and I have a dealer with a great rep. just 2 miles away.

    I will be keeping close watch to see if I get the kind of problems I see in these postings. So far, so good though. I am keeping my fingers crossed.
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