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Hyundai Azera vs. Lincoln Zephyr

heavensoldierheavensoldier Posts: 61
edited March 14 in Lincoln
How do these cars compare? What car would you chose if you had to decide between these two cars?
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  • I think it's kind of sad things are where they are that that question is even being asked - Lincoln in the same breath as Hyundai?

    Kuddos to Hyundai for reaching this level - shame on Lincoln for falling so low.
  • prigglypriggly Posts: 642
    How do these cars compare?

    There is no comparison. The Zephyr is a Lincoln and the Azera is a Hyundai econobox with pretensions to something more.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,415
    Not to get priggly about it, but... ;)

    one could also say that the Zephyr is a fancy Ford with pretensions to something more. Nothing basically wrong with it of course, but going back just a bit, we had the LS which was not a fancy Ford sedan, but a proper Lincoln sedan. Lincoln has come down in stature...even Ford admits that.

    I wish they could have kept Lincoln in the Premier Auto Group. Lincoln moves down, Hyundai is moving up, and now, like it or not, some people will cross-shop the Azera and the MKZ.
  • prigglypriggly Posts: 642
    Lincoln has come down in stature...

    Everything is coming down in stature. It's nothing more than the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Automotive entropy is increasing as well.

    That having been said, the MKZ/Zephyr is every bit a Lincoln. It has a quieter ride than the Town Car with less wind noise. It has a stylish interior with ultra high-end audio system, competent navigation, HID headlamps, real wood and a fabulous ride. All the car now lacks is the 3.5L engine and that will be remedied soon enough.

    The Azera, OTOH, is a Hyundai with halogen lamps, mediocre sound system, NO navigation, fake wood and a cheap-looking interior. It is a pretender very different from the MKZ/Zephyr. And for very little less in price. The Lincoln is the better buy in every regard.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,415
    Depending on your personal tastes and what you are looking for. The Zephyr can also be seen as less car for the money by some yardsticks. It is smaller, has much less interior room, less power, and less standard equipment (and not even a stability control option). The Zephyr is very quiet, but the Azera is even more quiet.

    However, the Zephyr is a still a Lincoln (which still has more cache than Hyundai, even if expressed in fancy Ford rather than Lincoln language), it is arguably better looking than the Azera, and does have real wood (for whatever that is worth). So some will buy one and some the other. Neither one right now is burning up the sales charts.
  • The dealership experience will be important, too. Lincoln sales and service has for a long time ranked towards the top in customer satisfaction. I haven't seen any recent rankings on that, though. I know from my personal experience, I'd rank our nearest Lincoln dealership way above the Lexus, Acura, and Volvo dealerships. The Honda and Toyota dealerships don't even rank in terms of customer service, IMO. Have no idea about Hyundai.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,415
    You are right...that is also important for many.

    Unlike a lot of other people, it is not a factor for me. I never take my cars to the dealer--with the exception of my previous Audi where service was included. I suppose even I would return if there were adjustments to be made under warranty, but in all my most recent purchases, there hasn't been anything to correct.
  • I was thinking of the initial purchase experience and any subsequent warranty work, or until routine maintenance coverage ran out. After that, it's a matter of finding a good mechanic, and for me that's usually not the dealer.

    You haven't had any warranty work done on an Audi? :surprise: Or, have recent purchases been something other than Audi? I just ask because Audi reliability reputation seems to have suffered lately.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,415
    Sorry. I did say "with the exception of my Audi." Still, I had a 2001 225 TTR for two years, and the only reason I went back to the dealer with it was for oil changes and to swap the tires for all seasons.

    VW hasn't had the best record either, but mine has been flawless for three years. Luck of the draw, I guess.

    The last car I had to take back (several times) for warranty work was an Oldsmobile Touring Sedan. One of the worst cars I ever had. But most of my cars have been troublefree--going back to a 1989 Ford Probe that had zero problems in 4 years.

    I have owned several Ford pickups too. One I had to return to get the driver side power window fixed, but otherwise they performed flawlessly too.

    Of course up until recently, four years was my maximum for keeping a vehicle. Have decided I was spending too much on vehicles. Hope to keep my Millenia S for 10 years. Have already logged six.
  • Thanks for the replies, I don't think I'll get the azera, I think i can wait for the 2007 Lincoln MKZ when it comes out, or shop for some other cars. Thanks and God Bless.
  • Folks,

    I am on the wall between purchasing an Azera and the new Lincoln Zephyr. The Zephyr base price is more but I can get it at Invoice because of the Ford Supplier program. But then again many of the Azeras are going around invoice. And the difference in interest rates makes up for a price premimum on the Zephyr. (I wish the Azera offered low interest rates that may help my decision)

    The engine is bigger in the Azera but the gas mileage is better in the Zephyr. And the Zephyr has fine pickup for my taste.

    The inside of the doors are better on the Azera but I like the dash of the Zephyr better. The leather quality in both is the same.

    The Zephyr has a better sportier ride than the Azera but there are alot more 'extras' on the Azera. I thought the ride in the Azera floated a bit too much.

    The base warranties even out now that Lincoln offers a base 6 year powertrain and 4 year bumper to bumper.

    I think the Lincoln will hold it's value more but who knows. The Lincoln LS resale value took a beating.

    Has anybody else weighed the decision on these two cars and what was you reason for choosing one or the other?
  • donvickdonvick Posts: 38
    We were looking at the Mercury Montego when wifey spys the Zephyr. We drove it and really liked it, especially the air conditioned seats. Living south of Fresno, Ca. this is BIG excitement in this heat. However comma, the 3.0 engine gave me serious concerns. We drive to Reno, San Fran, Palm Desert and Irvine over the mountains. The engine seems a bit weak for such trips and the tranny would be downshifting and upshifting too much for my tastes.
    We looked at and drove 2 different Azera's and began to compare everything else to the Azera. Only thing Hyundai doesn't have is air conditioned seats. It has more stuff as standard than others seem to have available. We bought the Azera in powder pearl white and have 1137 miles on it right now. Wife driving daily to work 22 miles each way and thoroughly enjoys the trip.
    We passed on the Zephyr because it is a new design, so is Azera but figured with all the warranties Hyundai is putting its money where its mouth is and 10yr/100,000 miles is hard to pass up.
    Zephyr lost in the engine also, I think its weak for our purposes even with a 6 speed tranny. Its going to be changing gears a lot on trips. Okay for the flatlands but the hills were a concern.
    Azera has the things you don't readily see, Electronic Stability Control and Traction Control System, airbags all around, power rear sunshade.
    And the Azera is sporty looking luxury car with an engine to play with.
    If the Zephyr would of had a larger engine, a 3.5 or so, we'd probably have one, the A/C seats were hard to give up.

    Don
  • and don't forget... the Azera has foldaway mirrors which are good for parking on narrow city streets and driveways! The Zephyr does not. :blush:
  • donvickdonvick Posts: 38
    Right, I forgot about those fold away mirrors. I use them regular in the garage. Never gave it a thought before as I seemed to bang into the Grand Am mirrors moving around in the garage or close to the vehicle in the driveway. Same with the old 84 t-bird.
    Now we have to stop and push them back out before backing out. Could lower the windows and lean across the seats I suppose.

    The Premium pkg. has the electric folding mirrors but we couldn't justify the expense when we are the same size, so no seat adjustments are necessary. Also it doesn't rain here much so the sensing wipers was a bell we didn't want. As was the electric steering wheel.

    I really like the garage door opener and compass on the rear view mirror.

    Don
  • averigejoeaverigejoe Posts: 559
    If you need the big interior of the Azera then maybe you should compare it to the Avalon. If you don't need all the space of the Azera, then compare the Lincoln to cars closer in size to it.
  • tonycdtonycd Posts: 223
    Hi. I don't own either of them, but I'll shoot my mouth off anyway.

    I was very interested in the Zephyr when it first came out, partly because I simply have a jones for real wood, and the Zephyr has plenty of it. Unfortunately, from there on it's all downhill.

    Basically, the Zephyr is a glorified Ford Fusion, which means it's a restyled Mazda6 with more rear seat room. A couple things turned me off about it pretty quickly:

    •Most of all, build quality. The American Mazda6 isn't as reliable as the Japanese-built Mazda3. This was also true of their predecessor cars, the American-built Mazda 626 vs. the Japanese Mazda Protege. I believe Hyundai, serious about entering the big time, has really thrown an enormous effort into giving the Azera excellent build quality and premium materials, including where they don't show. Ford products, on the other hand, have reliability records in recent years that reflect the desperate financial trouble they're in and the pushback they're getting from the suppliers they're squeezing.

    •In the long run, I think the Zephyr's resale will be abysmal, and the Azera's less bad than people think. Not that I care, because I keep my cars anyway -- which, given the American makers' poor treatment of component suppliers, is a double minus for the Zephyr.

    •Despite the wood, the Zephyr's interior just doesn't come off as high-end. The dash has a lot of square shapes that look circa 1985 to my eyes. Conversely, despite its obviously fake wood, the Azera comes off as modern and premium in every other detail, like the classy fabric headliner, the neon gauges and the powered rear sunshade.

    •No electronic stability control on the Zephyr, if I recall correctly -- a big safety item, bigger in my opinion than some of those much-ballyhooed airbags.

    In the end, the Fords just don't even get into the semifinals for me. This isn't Car and Driver doing a comparison test. I'd have to OWN the winner, using MY money. No contest. If seeking alternatives, I'd look at the Accord V6 or Acura TL first. If you're into something softer and plusher than those, well, nothing within $5000 comes close to the Azera.
  • me_and_g35me_and_g35 Posts: 15
    I don't think there is really no comparison between Azera and Zephyr. Well equipped large sedan vs. not so sporty enry-lux med sedan. I would recommend Infiniti G35 instead of Zephyr. With Zephyr, you could potentially encounter a residual issue because its 2007 moodel will be called MKZ instead of Zephyr. Going back to Azera, only holding you back is price, I can sign you up for Hyundai Associate Purchase Program (invoice + $100 at purchase - available rebates - $100 mail-in rebate with survey completed). If you are interested send your name and address to maximusminimum@hotmail.com
  • rj123456rj123456 Posts: 128
    Ended up with the Zephyr because the ride is much better, and liked the styling better, and the price was great. Feature wise it's a wash - more airbags & cooled seats vs. stability control and the rear sunshade. Wait for the '07 MKZ for the new warranty.
  • Azera:

    Exterior

    Length: 192.7 in. Width: 72.8 in.
    Height: 58.7 in. Wheel Base: 109.4 in.
    Curb Weight: 3629 lbs.
    Interior
    Front Head Room: 40.2 in. Front Hip Room: 55.5 in.
    Front Shoulder Room: 57.9 in. Rear Head Room: 38.2 in.
    Rear Shoulder Room: 57.1 in. Rear Hip Room: 55.1 in.
    Front Leg Room: 43.7 in. Rear Leg Room: 38.2 in.
    Luggage Capacity: 16.6 cu. ft. Maximum Seating: 5

    Zephyr:

    Exterior
    Length: 190.5 in. Width: 72.2 in.
    Height: 55.9 in. Wheel Base: 107.4 in.
    Curb Weight: 3406 lbs.
    Interior
    Front Head Room: 38.7 in. Front Hip Room: 54.1 in.
    Front Shoulder Room: 56.9 in. Rear Head Room: 37.8 in.
    Rear Shoulder Room: 55.6 in. Rear Hip Room: 53.6 in.
    Front Leg Room: 42.3 in. Rear Leg Room: 37 in.
    Luggage Capacity: 15.8 cu. ft. Maximum Seating: 5

    Yes,
    It is true that the Azera is slightly larger than the Zephyr. Not Towncar size larger, but it is bigger. I think the comparison is still valid. Especially since the MXZ will get a comparable motor in 2007.

    The Azera topped out price for 06 is around 30,000 where the Zephyrs is around 33,000. I even read somewhere that the MKZ price for 07 will go up around $1000 or so.

    That is a shame as it is making it harder to compare the two pricewise.
  • garandmangarandman Posts: 524
    Hi. I don't own either of them, but I'll shoot my mouth off anyway.

    I was very interested in the Zephyr when it first came out, partly because I simply have a jones for real wood, and the Zephyr has plenty of it. Unfortunately, from there on it's all downhill.

    So, did you buy some competing mid-sized sedan, then?
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