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WRX vs Legacy GT Wagon
I am torn between the WRX and the Leg.GT - both wagons and with the EAT. I really like the beige interior but the exterior color choices are limited with the beige and hence looking at probably the Silver (Crystal Gray in WRX).
In terms of sheer personality, the WRX (wagon) shines. The GT lacks its dynamism and looks extremely toned down (front-end styling alone). Translation: Generic Japanese mid-size styling. I simply cannot get beyond its plain-Jane exterior looks. Other than the tiny hood-scoop, there is absolutely no differentiation between the GT and the other Legacy wagons, all of whom look tame, sedate and generic Japanese. The WRX wagon on the other hand, is brimming with personality and appears compact, purposeful and packed down for action - talking of visual impression only.
The interior is a different matter. The GT is heads-and-shoulders above the WRX in terms of the tactile feel of the interior materials. The fact that the GT wagon has a 5EAT, comes with the SI-Drive, TPMS, Side-curtain airbags, better quality of interior materials, power driver's and passengers seats and certain other features, certainly has me torn, since all of those come for a bare $1800 over the EAT WRX Ltd wagon ($27K vs $28,800 - street prices). The WRX EAT Ltd at $1800 below the 5EAT Leg.GT does not look like a sound purchase decision from a financial point of view. On the other hand, rumor has it that Subaru debated dropping the Legacy wagon (and Sedan OB) due to lack of sales/demand....the intent being to retain the wagon in the OB line and the Sedan in the Legacy line....the WRX wagon on the other hand sells very well.
If the WRX came with the 5EAT and the SI-drive, I would not think twice between these two but without it, it is going to be a tough decision - exterior appeal of the REX Wagon notwithstanding.
Someone help me in deciding. :confuse:
In terms of sheer personality, the WRX (wagon) shines. The GT lacks its dynamism and looks extremely toned down (front-end styling alone). Translation: Generic Japanese mid-size styling. I simply cannot get beyond its plain-Jane exterior looks. Other than the tiny hood-scoop, there is absolutely no differentiation between the GT and the other Legacy wagons, all of whom look tame, sedate and generic Japanese. The WRX wagon on the other hand, is brimming with personality and appears compact, purposeful and packed down for action - talking of visual impression only.
The interior is a different matter. The GT is heads-and-shoulders above the WRX in terms of the tactile feel of the interior materials. The fact that the GT wagon has a 5EAT, comes with the SI-Drive, TPMS, Side-curtain airbags, better quality of interior materials, power driver's and passengers seats and certain other features, certainly has me torn, since all of those come for a bare $1800 over the EAT WRX Ltd wagon ($27K vs $28,800 - street prices). The WRX EAT Ltd at $1800 below the 5EAT Leg.GT does not look like a sound purchase decision from a financial point of view. On the other hand, rumor has it that Subaru debated dropping the Legacy wagon (and Sedan OB) due to lack of sales/demand....the intent being to retain the wagon in the OB line and the Sedan in the Legacy line....the WRX wagon on the other hand sells very well.
If the WRX came with the 5EAT and the SI-drive, I would not think twice between these two but without it, it is going to be a tough decision - exterior appeal of the REX Wagon notwithstanding.
Someone help me in deciding. :confuse:
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Also, the bland looks also makes it stealthy so you may attract less attention from the folks that serve and protect (and hand out speeding tickets).
-juice
True and absolutely right. Almost like an ugly girlfriend with a great personality. Tough to introduce her around but definitely a joy to converse with and be around !
I believe they are redesigning the front-end of the Legacy and have already done so in the European market, which improves its appearance a lot. Unfortunately, if rumors are true, they are also dropping the Legacy wagons (GT and 2.5i) from the lineup, along with the Outback Sedan - due to lack of sales. Which means when the good-looking Legacy arrives, it will be Sedan-only, which I certainly don't want.
Since the upcoming Impreza is based on the Legacy platform and will come as a wagon, I guess I will wait and see what that model brings to the table. No point in jumping in and buying either a model that is being re-designed (WRX) or a model that is a loser in the marketplace (GT).
WRX Wagon advantages are the quicker, tighter steering, shorter wheelbase for nimbler handling, pretty much the same power as the GT, MUCH better looks, arguably better build quality (based on consumer reports body integrity reports) and terrific resale value. When the new model arrives and if a lot of incentives are provided for the existing WRX, I will bite the bullet and go for it.
Honestly, I think if your criteria are:
-Subaru wagon
-Automatic
-Turbo
-Sub 30K street price
Then the LGT wagon is going to be your better bet for everyday driving. If you were going to autocross, then sure the WRX would be a better choice, but then again you probably would want to opt for the 5MT instead.
Another way to think about it -- you can make a LGT wagon look more "racy" by upgrading the wheels and doing some exterior modifications. However, that same amount of money is not going to buy you a 5EAT and other hardware on a WRX.
Ken
The below link shows a gentlemanly specimen too, but looks gorgeous...can't ignore this, even though roof-rails would have completed the look of the practical wagon. This should have been how the LGT should have been all along (click on those photos and they will enlarge).
http://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/19/european-subaru-legacy-gets-a-refresh/ :shades:
However, there should be some end of the year rebates. Let us see how generous those are. Either way, it looks like I need to special order to receive either of these cars. They are so "rare".
To be honest, with a manual transmission you don't notice any lag at all. With an auto, just a tad.
-juice
-mike
-juice
Unlike you, I favor sedans, and up until recently, I thought I wanted a manual transmission. But otherwise, our choices were similar. I ended up with the WRX, and I wish I'd gone with the Legacy GT.
I have the 2006 WRX Limited sedan, 5MT. I had a 2000 Maxima previously. I don't know what you're used to driving, but the Impreza line just feels cheap to me, compared to the Maxima, and I underestimated how much that would bother me on a day-to-day basis. It also had interior rattles from day 1.
Subaru's midsize platform is waaaaayyy nicer than the Impreza platform. The Subaru dealership gave me an Outback wagon as a loaner when I had my car in for service, and I was blown away by the car's level of comfort and refinement (and complete lack of rattles, just like my Maxima). I also liked the auto's manual mode: unlike some others, it doesn't defeat its own purpose by thinking for you. The auto available on the WRX doesn't even have a manual mode.
Considering the Legacy basically has the same interior as the Outback, I wish I had gone with the Legacy GT sedan with automatic and navigation (which isn't even available on Impreza).
Although the press seems to disagree, I agree that the WRX looks good, especially the front end. But the back end is still a little odd, and the car looks strange to me in profile. I like the Legacy sedan's rear-end treatment. Of course, styling is subjective, and the wagon is another story anyway.
On another note, the Legacy's sound system is drastically better. I'm not sure why -- the wattage is about the same -- but it sounds significantly more powerful and full.
But as you say, a new Impreza is coming out soon, so who knows what to expect.
If you liked the OB with 4-speed auto, you'll really like the 5-speed auto offered on the GT and upscale OB models.
Ken
I think I'm on the same wavelength as you -- unfortunately, I had to make a purchase and live with it for a while to realize my preference towards a little more refinement with my performance. Oh well. Next time.
What I would love to see is that the WRX Limited and STI Limited to get sound deadening equal to that found in the Legacy/Outback.
Note that I said "Limited" models, as they are a different customer, and want that extra Legacy-like comfort, but in a smaller more nimble chassis.
Bob
I agree completely. The WRX Limited thing seemed like a pretty nice concept to me: make a smaller, semi-luxury sport sedan. There's an unfortunate correlation between bigger and better in the automotive market, and only the luxury brands seem to let you get into a smaller car without feeling you've missed out on something. Otherwise, if you want a nicer car, you gotta drive a bigger car too. Some of us want refinement without size.
I thought the WRX Limited was a step in the right direction for a non-luxury brand, especially considering how darn nice the Legacy/Outback are now. Unfortunately, I think Subaru took a nice idea and messed it up.
The Limited package feels a little "tacked on" to me. So what, you get a spoiler and foglights -- these are available on the regular WRX too. The structural changes needed to accommodate the sunroof reduce headroom substantially. I'm not particularly tall (5'11") but it's barely enough, and I occasionally hit the ceiling on bumps. Beyond that, you get leather and heaters for the seats, wipers, and mirrors. Nice touches, but still a very long way from Legacy/Outback standards. Were I to buy a WRX again, I think I'd save the money (and headroom) and just get the regular WRX, and add the spoiler and foglights for substantially less.
The Legacy/Outback is simply a more solid/refined vehicle from the ground up.
But the funny thing about this:
That's the only regret I have with my WRX Limited. It's just waaay too noisy.
I briefly had an STI before my WRX Limited (long story), and the WRX is very quiet compared to the STI. But after several months in the WRX, I've gotten used to it and I notice how loud it is. (The STI, btw, is also how I know the sunroof reduces headroom in the Impreza.)
Yes, it shall be interesting to see what Subaru comes out with for 2008 with the new Legacy-based Impreza.
-mike
-juice
-juice
:-)
Ken
Have you considered adding some of your own sound-proofing (ie. Dynamat and the like)?
Ken
Maybe then they need a full-size car in the same range as the 7 Series or A8?
Of course this could all get a bit silly because those are luxury brands, and Subaru is not (similarly, the Legacy is way way way less expensive than those luxo midsizers). I'm happy if the Legacy can successfully do battle with the Altima/Camry/Accord/6/etc. Maybe Subaru could spin off a new luxury brand like Nissan/Infiniti Toyota/Lexus etc. and really address these other market segments.
Stay out of the boost and you'll essentially be driving a normal 4 pot. I certainly wouldn't let that be deal breaker for not going with a car you liked more.
-mike
I actually get noticeably worse mileage than a non-turbo Subaru in my WRX, even on long highway trips, but it's not too awful I guess. I think the turbo is always generating enough boost to affect efficiency, especially if you're cruising at 2500-3000 RPM's (highway speed). Granted it helps if one doesn't abuse it.
From what I've read, the problem with the Si drive is that it's more gimmick than useful technology and cannot be set to a default that doesn't partially cripples the car's output without giving much benefit.
So I think you're equally screwed with a turbo, Si drive or not. In that sense, I agree, it's not a deal breaker.
It seems both automakers aren't quite going for full mainstream market coverage.
Bob
Ken
Subaru is striving to be the AWD leader, but if they don't offer a full line of cars, including a large AWD one it's hard for them to keep custys.
-mike
Yea, Subaru has a pretty clearly defined trump card with their across-the-line AWD. I think Mazda is going for the "more fun to drive than the average car" factor, and I won't deny they're good at that, but Subaru and Nissan both play that angle too. It's a fairly crowded field.
I think that to be a Subaru owner in the first place, you have to get past the stigma that they are a funky SUWagon company (which doesn't bug me, but bugs some people I've talked to). With the current Impreza and Legacy, they've come a long way towards establishing some mainstream appeal, and the current Legacy and Tribeca are a clear move upscale. So I have to give them credit where it's due.
Maybe more surprises are in the cards.
The Legacy is the size of an Acura TSX, which is smaller than the Accord.
-mike