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Mazda 5 vs Kia Rondo

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  • coolmazda5coolmazda5 Posts: 525
    unbelievable :D

    bunchakids replies sent to the ignore posts section...

    Agreed, this used to be an interesting thread, I hope more factual opinions eventually come back in the future (and some pics too)...
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    "I would need to buy both of them and drive separately to get my kids somewhere."

    Are they children or sardines? Poor little guys.
  • They actually love the Rondo. The twins sit in back and have plenty of room, and love the folding seats and cupholders.

    The car is actually quite convenient, I am surprised about one thing... I'm only getting mid twenties in MPG. Anyone have experience on how long break in should be?

    Thanks. (time to be serious and not tease the Mazda guys... they get sensitive.
  • conwelpicconwelpic Ontario, CanadaPosts: 600
    thats the problem with this forum, you don't get the persons location or what they drive with each posting.

    Glad to hear you enjoy your Rondo, I do too.

    with regards to your question: "I'm only getting mid twenties in MPG. Anyone have experience on how long break in should be? "

    to more accurately answer this we need to know where you are located (are we talking US gallons or imperial gallons) and also what size of engine you have.

    2008 Rondo EX, 2.4L, 5-seater
    Ontario, Canada

    (this info should post automatically with each post)
  • coolmazda5coolmazda5 Posts: 525
    The sensitive Mazda guys don't wanna discuss MPGs of yippity-yuppity Rondos on this thread either, so look what I found:

    http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX/.f11970b
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    Seriously though, do you really haul a wife and 5 children in your Rondo?
  • Yes, we sure do. They fit easily, enjoy the ride, etc. We are putting in a video player this weekend, and can haul about 8 bags of groceries if it is full of kids.
    But who wants to shop with 5 kids.

    Its a very versatile car.
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    Kudos to you if that works. I have 4 kids (8-14) and my Mazda5 just got too tight. Yes, there was seating space for all, but little room for anything else.
  • radar1radar1 Posts: 25
    Today's Wall Street Journal reports sales are higher for the Mazda5 and Rondo. Seems like high gas prices are making these more popular as a replacement for larger vehicles.
    "A few vehicles that were once considered strange -- such as those that combine elements of minivan and car -- are enjoying a sales renaissance. Examples of models that have suddenly surged in popularity include the van-like Mazda5, up 46%, and tall wagons like Hyundai Motor Co.'s Kia Rondo, which more than doubled, and the Toyota Matrix, up 56%."

    John
  • lavrishevolavrishevo Posts: 312
    Hey guys,

    Just wanted to throw my two cents in... I do not own either the 5 or the Rondo but a Kia Sedona which I love, really is a great mini van and has mucho power. Anyway, my brother has the 5 and I helped someone else purchase the 5 as well. I have to give props to the 5 for being a good car. Fuel economy was a little disappointing. I rented the Ronda a little while back and it was a nice car as well. The suspension was sporty, maybe not quite as much as the five but sporty enough. The Rondo's seats are more comfortable in my opinion and probably a safer car. I know my Sedona is rated as the safest minivan.

    Kia has made huge leaps in quality and as a manufacture they offer the most amount of features for the money. I would not have purchased a vehicle from them a few years back but they are striving for market share and the bar is high for them. If anything the top two have been slipping in quality on some of their products. Manufactures can get lazy at the top. I believe either way the 5 and the Rodo are good choices just depends on what features a person wants. I was looking at both of them but they were just way to small for my needs. Plus have a 3.8 and pumps 253 lbs of torque is quite nice. I still average 18 / 25 mpg which is impressive for the size of the engine. My point is a 2.4 should be getting much better MPG with technology the way it is... Now yes a Kia does depreciate more then other vehicles but this often balances out in the money you save initially. I know for me there was a 6 - 10 grand difference between the Japanese vans. Plus, if you plan on keeping your vehicle for some time then depreciation is not a factor and the long warranty is a major plus. Kia is making some really good products these days. Don't believe me? Trying checking out consumer reports and see how many models they recommend.
  • coolmazda5coolmazda5 Posts: 525
    Good stuff, glad to see a happy big Rondo brother owner. Several of my neighbors have Sedonas, so it should be a good bet. To me, as I said before, it is still a KIA. (and I agree with the consumer reports you talk about, but still...). Many people here will argue, well you own a Mazda, and they are right, not a BMW, but good and original enough :D

    You are posting good KIA brand information in your post response so no issues there, but I have only one disagreement in the following comment: "the Rondo is probably a safer car". I'm not sure what are the basis for that conclusion, but below here are some reasons why I think is not the case:

    EuroNCAP Rondo:
    http://www.euroncap.com/tests/kia_carens_2007/291.aspx

    EuroNCAP Mazda5:
    http://www.euroncap.com/tests/mazda_5_2005/241.aspx

    Mazda5 Wins Highest Crash Safety Rating from EU and Japanese New Car Testing Agencies:
    http://www.japancorp.net/Article.asp?Art_ID=12380

    And here is what a forum member (mfuchs2004, who is not a Mazda5 owner) replied some time ago:

    I have an extensive background in industrial safety, with a focus on chemical safety. Here are some points to ponder -

    1. Mazda 5 is a very safe car on crash tests for adults:

    NHTSA has a matrix for testing car safety that looks at a variety of factors. One of the most significant factors that may cause a vehicle NOT to be tested is that it has recently rec'd high scores on the Euro and Japanese tests (and the vehicle is structurally the same model). Doesn't mean it won't ever be tested, but it drops way down the waiting list. I think this is good gov't policy, and puts untested cars through the system sooner than might otherwise be the case.

    2. Mazda 5 is very safe for children in appropriate restraints:

    I agree that the lower child rating on the Euro test is procedural NOT the result of inadequate protection. The Euro test automatically deducts safety points for lack of clear labels, poorly marked electrical connections, etc. The wisdom seems clear - if things are poorly marked, then parents could incorrectly install safety seats, and technicians could inadvertently disconnect air bag sensors.
  • lavrishevolavrishevo Posts: 312
    Good info coolmazda5. I may stand corrected though from the stats they are so close I would concede the difference is negligible. I put the word probably in there because I did not know for sure. Anyway, I know many will not even test drive a make because of the name of the manufacture. Honestly, if you asked me a few years ago what auto maker I would probably never purchase from it would have been Hyundai / Kia. I did not have high hopes when I went to test drive my van but it was such a pleasure to drive and so comfortable I could not say no. If you get a chance take a look at the Odyssey forum and look at all the transmission problems people are having.

    I am glad auto manufactures are getting it together and building much better cars on a whole. Even Ford and GM have some good models now which is amazing. Again, I really have nothing bad to say about the 5, it is a great car. I know my brother loves his. Don't you hate the tire life on those 17" rims. Look good but show me a tire that will last 30K... You know the funny thing is how many people will line up at the light against the big minivan and get burned.... lol I love it. Of course this is without my family inside....

    Take a look at this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-bLgPC69Hk
  • coolmazda5coolmazda5 Posts: 525
    Wrt. the tires, I've read several complaints on the OEM 17in tires (Toyos Proxes) and I can say that they are not the best, but I check PSIs and rotate regularly and on the 06 (purchased in July 05) the tires are still around 1/2-2/3 of life. I admit, not put many miles a year but I'm sure I will change them not due to the worn tread, but due to their age as tires lose quality after some years...

    As per minivans kicking butt, I'm no longer into racing mine (nor does my wife, that is for sure), but people movers rock, check this out. That one really burns, so stay out of the way :D

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  • Honda and Nissan owner here, so no vested interested in either a Kia or a Mazda. Even so, my brother owns a Mazda 5 ('08 Navy Blue Grand Touring) and that is one BAD car! Like bad as in REALLY good. The thing never ceases to impress me! I drive his 5 at any chance I get. Good thing he knows I like it, so he lets me drive it anytime I'm around. Recently went on a road trip with him, his wife and my wife, and all 4 of us were impressed with the car - peppy performance, great handling, brakes, seats, leather, sound system, cool and useful features everywhere, good looking, great mileage and more. Never thought of owning a Mazda before but I'm seriously considering trading in my wife's 07 CRV for the 5. It's that good!

    On the other hand, my cousin owns a new 2008 Kia Rondo EX. He loved my brother's car, and wanted to get something like it but without copying him (self esteem issues). So he went for the Rondo. He likes his car. Overall, he's happy with it. But, he often mentions how my brother's 5 is better, and how he would've loved to have bought that car instead, but just didn't want to seem like a biter (issues). And, we all have to agree. Just like "Nissmazlover" is saying, the 5 is just a better car. There's no denying it. Sorry. :(

    The Rondo's an alright car (comfortable, decent engine, nice sound system). But it just doesn't seem as high quality as the 5, or drive as nice, or ride as nice, or look as good, or feel as good, it's not even as economical or have as many features as the 5. Even though it's comfortable and seats one more person, it just doesn't seem as comfortable as the 5 - i love the middle row captain's chairs, and 3 adults in the middle row seat of a Rondo are not comfortable! I love driving my bro's 5, but after driving my coz's Rondo a few times, I wouldn't care about driving it ever again. I wouldn't go as far as to say that it sucks but, to me, there's no comparison - and the Rondo's cheaper price doesn't compensate for it.

    Now, the Rondo's alright. If you absolutely need space for 7 and want to pay a few dollars less, then go with the Rondo. If not, then go with the 5. It's just better. Now, don't go jamming down my throat like you did with Nissmazlover (poor guy). Just wanted to add my two cents in. ;)

    Can you Mazda 5 guys out there convince me even more into trading in my CRV for the 5? I'd like to hear what you have to say. And, Rondo owners, what is the absolute best deal you've gotten for your cars? Maybe if it's a LOT cheaper, then I'd think about it.
  • radar1radar1 Posts: 25
    coolmazda5,
    I've read those safety reports before, and they are interesting, but they measure different things than we do in the USA, so comparing a NHTSA report on a US spec Rondo to EuroNCAP report on a EU spec Mazda could be like comparing apples and oranges.
    I wish the Mazda5 NHTSA ratings were published for comparison purposes to the NHTSA crash ratings for the Rondo.
    Here's an excerpt from the NHTSA FAQ concerning comparing different organization results;
    "Note: Each organization's rating results are generally for vehicles sold in its respective country or region. Vehicle specifications, and therefore crash results, may vary between countries. As such, comparing the rating results for a similarly named vehicle model from different countries should be done with care, as there can be differences in the rating protocols and rating systems as well as the vehicle model itself."

    Interestingly, the 2008 Comparison of Insurance costs does compare both vehicles. With 100 being average, Mazda got a 90 (better than average) and Rondo got a 66 (much better than average)(In this test, lower is better meaning that Rondo had collision costs 34% below the average, and Mazda 5 was 10% below the average). While the test does not reflect injury potential, it does reflect what the insurance companies pay out based on historic figures for the two vehicles compared to an industry average.
    Full report here;
    http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/staticfiles/DOT/NHTSA/Vehicle%20Safety/Articles/Associa- ted%20Files/2008_Insurance_Costs_Comparison.pdf

    John
  • coolmazda5coolmazda5 Posts: 525
    I think you already sounded convinced for trading in for a Mazda5 :D, but...

    For what is worth, when I bought my 06 Mazda5 I also test drove an 05 CR-V. As you may know during that time the Honda CR-V was also offered with manual transmission, which my wife likes, so we gave it a look. Good looking car, manual transmission, OK engine and great fuel economy but a) it was an SUV and it was too "tall" for wife. In addition, she thought the interior was not as functional as the Mazda5 one so the Mazda5 won over.

    My 08, I traded it for a Honda, and I chose a 2nd Mazda5 based on the experience of my wife's car, something not commonly heard of.

    Also, there are many reviews out there, but if you like driver-car engagement, this is the one that tells me the most out of a people mover that price:

    But the best part about the 5 is how you feel driving it. Sliding doors? Three rows of seats? It's hard to believe that the 5 can carry six people considering the way that it drives. Due to being so low to the ground it has a sporty ride quality, and its well-damped multi-link rear suspension and nicely weighted, agile steering make it a joy to drive. It also corners flatly, and has surprisingly good levels of grip complemented by strong brakes, and that's not just compared to other minivans, that's in general. If you enjoy driving, I've no doubts the Mazda5 will please you.

    Source:
    http://car-reviews.automobile.com/Mazda/review/2008-mazda5-gt-road-test/5543/
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  • coolmazda5coolmazda5 Posts: 525
    My only 2 comments are:

    1) If we are comparing apples to oranges, why the NHTSA has waived the collision testing for the Mazda5 for so long? Why we don't have already tons of Chinese cars running in the US today just because the China collisions test are safe? NHTSA does look after recognized tests globally including E-NCAP and J-NCAP to prioritize their testing, that is for sure. In other words, comparing those tests may be like comparing red apples with green apples instead, they are not the same but they have common guidelines.

    2) Collision costs? Mazda collision parts may be more expensive than KIA collision parts in average, but that does not mean one car is safer than the other. Example: Honda Accord 4 door, it has 99, does that mean the car less safe than a Mazda5? :surprise:
  • That's a great review! I didn't know the doors had electric assistance. I'm gonna have to check my brother's ride to confirm that.

    It really is a nice car. I'm really thinking about getting it. And I love the whole thing the reviewer said about "passion" at the end of the article. It's true: You can't put a price on that. Sadly, that is something the Rondo is sorely lacking. The Rondo's is merely functional. Whereas the 5 is not only functional, but stylish, fun and passionate. I don't understand why someone would pick the former over the latter.
  • nissmazlovernissmazlover Posts: 135
    Hey, CoolMazda5m that is a cool review! Thanks for sharing. I think it's spot on.

    Also, nycdriver1, I noticed the same thing about the electric sliding assistance. I know my Mazda 5 Grand Touring doesn't have that, so may be it was an oversight or something on the part of the reviewer. Also, thanks for the vote sympathy in your last posting. I appreciate it!

    Like CoolMazda5 said, it doesn't sound like you need much convincing about getting the 5 ;). The only thing I'd worry about, and this isn't my business at all, would be if you'd be upside down on your payments by trading in such a new car for the 5. I mean, part of the appeal of the 5 is that it is so affordable and you feel like you cheated the world or something by buying a car that feels so much more expensive than what it is. Other cars that contain the same things the 5 GT has are so much more expensive. So, the affordability of it all is factored in heavily. Would you still have that if you have to make higher payments than other 5 owners because of the upside down portion of your trade-in? Just something to consider is all. Again, that's your business.

    Any Rondo owners out there going to try to convince him to go the Rondo way?
  • Thanks for the advice. But, nah, don't worry about it. I already thought about that too. It won't be a big deal. The whole reason why we have a second car (her CRV) is because her parents helped us out a lot in her getting it. They knew she needed a car and they helped pay a big portion of it. So, the car isn't upside down at all - it's still worth a lot more than what we owe, so it might work out to our benefit. Next objection? :P
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  • mrbwa1mrbwa1 Posts: 42
    The Electric Assist is available on the Canidian GT models IIRC. No electric assist for the US from what I know.

    btw, slightly off topic, but the Standard 5 Sport without side sills (CM5 did they add those for 2008?) isn't too low to the ground. I can attest to that after an um.. incident involving one of those concrete parking stop blocks... Not sure if I have any undercoating or paint left on the frame rails though.
  • lavrishevolavrishevo Posts: 312
    If you need to tow a boat or jet ski you may want to consider the Rondo. The V6 version can tow up to 2,000 lbs with trailer brakes. Otherwise pick what fits your needs. Both are great cars.
  • bgwbgw Posts: 116
    Lavrishevo is absolutely correct! Both are great cars but only the Rondo is rated to tow.
    My 1998 Legacy wagon, with a 137 hp 4 cyl, was rated to tow the same amount, and my 1998 Escort wagon, with a 110 hp 4 cyl, is rated to tow 1,000 lbs.
    Why then, with a 182 hp V6, is the Rondo only rated for 2,000 lbs and the 153 hp Mazda5 not rated to tow at all? Are the Legacy and Escort ratings overstated (unlikely) or is it just that the Rondo and M5 are underrated for towing? Hmmm.
    Anyone know?
  • lavrishevolavrishevo Posts: 312
    I bet the the 5 could tow 1,000 pounds but since it is not rated you would open yourself up to huge liability. You would not be covered in case of an accident unless you could get an insurance company to add that to your policy, which is highly unlikely with the manufacturer not rating the vehicle to have that ability. Honestly, I don't know why. Even the Hyundai Elantra can tow 3,086 lbs with trailer brakes... incredible.. LOL. I know on my Sedona I can tow up to 3,500 lbs with trailer brakes though I don't know if I want to do that... Now all I need is a boat... :D

    http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/list/top10/102426/article.html
  • coolmazda5coolmazda5 Posts: 525
    Interesting article

    ...Maybe in this context, door shape and entry/egress are two usually overlooked reasons so many people have opted for two-box cars, such as minivans and even SUVs, or at least those not requiring stepladders to enter. Mazda obviously thought that some buyers would recognize the benefits of sliding doors and included them in the clever Mazda5, clearly thinking outside the box of conventional design. That is exactly what we need: more outside-the-box thinking for ways to get us inside the box.


    Source:
    http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080708/FREE/361543080/1028/- FREE
  • coolmazda5coolmazda5 Posts: 525
    If you have decided that a Mazda5 is the one, don't wait long...

    The family sedan and wagon aren’t the hot sellers they once were, but there are quite a few new models that are selling quickly, like the Chevy Malibu and Mazda5. The Kia Optima is a surprise on the list, but it also had significant incentives in June as dealers prepared for the upcoming 2009 model, which goes on sale later this year. Check out the losers and luxury winners and losers below.

    Top 10 Sedan, Hatchback and Wagon Movers

    * 2008 Toyota Prius: 4 days
    * 2009 Toyota Camry Hybrid: 10 days
    * 2009 VW Jetta SportWagen: 13 days
    * 2008 Kia Optima: 23 days
    * 2008 Chevy Malibu: 24 days
    * 2008 Chevy Impala: 25 days
    * 2008 Honda Accord: 25 days
    * 2008 Nissan Altima Hybrid: 25 days
    * 2008 Mazda5: 28 days
    * 2008 Pontiac G8: 30 days



    Source:
    http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2008/07/movers-and-lo-3.html
  • athenasiusathenasius Posts: 118
    i hear you re the gap in the middle seat for the dog but mine has gotten used to it. As for the laying down on the floor why not just take the head rest off the front seat and lean it all the way back and it makes into a bed in conjunction with the middle row seat(not as good as a bed but quite adequate).
  • conwelpicconwelpic Ontario, CanadaPosts: 600
    Mazda 5
    June 2008: 1,416 units vs 1,096 for June 2007
    YTD 2008: 11,977 vs 8,309 for 2007

    Rondo
    June 2008: 2,172 vs 4,139 for June 2007
    YTD 2008: 15,974 vs 9,996 for 2007
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