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Mazda 5 vs Kia Rondo

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  • medicinemanmedicineman Posts: 135
    In one of my previous posts that included pics of the Rondo's interior, I regretted not having a photo demonstrating "two adults plus child seat in the second row." Well, during my Internet travels, I happened upon this pic. Like I said before, I'm not claiming you can get two CFL linebackers back there along with baby seat, but it's alright for my kin. BTW, that pic is obviously available to the public, so I don't feel like a creep for linking to it (I have other pics that'll make you think I'm a creep, but that's another story).

    As for some real-world pics of the Rondo maxed out with people inside (as opposed to that photoshopped advertisement of people in the M5 with the roof and side ripped off), how about this? Now that's some capacity. Strangely enough, that's the type of cargo I also like to haul around.

    BTW, I haven't been following this thread since I last posted (in case anyone asked me anything earlier) and that ain't likely to change (need to pick and choose where to spend my time, eh).
  • coolmazda5coolmazda5 Posts: 525
    1st pic, very good one, great example, it also gets my point around, car seats are not created equal. This seat clearly goes over the poor parents' or grandparents' arms, great photo opp but I wouldn't like to ride like that for 1hr
    2nd pic, yes, that is usually the way I load my car during the weekend, very realistic ;). I have not received a check though

    You may have not missed to much, nobody has asked anything really (apart from me on some box dimensions), new pics have answered most of the questions, no strings attached. Oh, I also attached the Mazda5 convertible. Yes, WITH the roof pictured it would have been impossible to seat those 6 souls :D

    Thanks for the pics!
  • We just bought our 5 Saturday and have been enjoying it. Since we're upgrading/downgrading from a Suburban just about any vehicle would be tighter but we've been happy with the results. We've got a total of 350 miles on it and our first tank of gas with mixed highway and city driving was ~26.5MPG. We're looking forward to getting it broken in and I'll do some additional tweaking to see if we can get around 30MPG on the highway. When I get a few more adults or large children around I'll try to snap some pics for everyone to see how it holds up with larger individuals in the back but with our entire family it seems to work great. We have 2 adults (and I am biggie sized) and 4 kids...two of which are in their tween, teen years and the other two are under 8.

    2008 Mazda 5
    5 speed Manual
  • conwelpicconwelpic Ontario, CanadaPosts: 600
    in their section under Best & Worst, they mentioned:
    "Most overlooked cars - These aren't top sellers, but all are good values and perform well" listed the Mazda 5 and Kia Rondo

    In the Vehicle Profiles section, they stated:

    "Mazda 5 - The Mazda 5 has the utility of a small minivan yet is maneuverable, economical and affordable. Based on the Mazda 3, it delivers responsive handling, a comfortable ride, and a relatively quiet interior, although road noise is pronounced. Fuel economy was a decent 23 mpg (US) overall. The four-cylinder engine provides adequate performance but lacks reserve power when carrying full loads or climbing hills. A five-speed automatic is new for 2008. Visibility and acess are excellent. It has flexible seating for four passengers and their luggage, or it can accommodate six with minimal cargo. Reliability has been average"

    "Kia Rondo - The Rondo offers an impressive amount of room for its compact size. With seating for up to seven, it has minivanlike utility with the dimensions of a small car. It competes mainly with the six-passenger Mazda 5. Built on the same platform as the Kia Optima, the Rondo also shares its 2.4 liter, four-cylinder engine, as well as the optional 2.7 liter V6. Fit and finish is very good, and access is very easy. The ride is comfortable and quiet, and the powertrain is refined. Handling is not particularly agile. Stability control and curtain air bags are standard"

    drive - 2008 Rondo EX 2.4L
    location - Prince Edward County, Ontario, Canada
  • coolmazda5coolmazda5 Posts: 525
    Good info. I just wander about the Mazda5 "average" reliability, what is it based on? Both my cars have been really good, not average. In other mazda5 forums I've read complaints like the back tires uneven use (which is fixed with regular balancing IMO), but nothing scary really (i.w. like Lemons or engines blowing away). The only issues on mine have been: one of the liftgate struts came defective, changed quickly under warranty, and the 2005 exhaust recall on my 06, which actually did not affect Manual Tranny cars, yet it was recalled just to be sure. I got a rental for free and $500 dollars for the inconvenience during the time it was in the shop.

    Any reliability stories with the Rondo? Lemons, Issues?

    I'll follow conwelpic. This forum is very poor in some areas, you cannot even have a signature:

    drives - 2006 and 2008 Mazda5 5-speed manual transmission, US
  • conwelpicconwelpic Ontario, CanadaPosts: 600
    I'll follow conwelpic. This forum is very poor in some areas, you cannot even have a signature:

    your right coolmazda5, I was trying to do that so I don't have to repeat it with each entry, maybe the designers of this forum will take a hint and get up to date with most of the other forums. Can you even put in a avatar?

    Drive - 2008 Rondo EX 2.4L
    Location - Prince Edward Country, Ontario, Canada
  • mrbwa1mrbwa1 Posts: 42
    My understanding is that the Mazda5's "average" reliability is mainly due to the 2006 recall. For those who don't know, Mazda had to "recall" the 2006 Mazda5s with the automatic because someone drove one in the manu-matic mode at highway speeds in 2nd gear. Apparently, this heated up the Catalytic converter and could potentially be an issue. Unfortunately, Mazda had to pull all the 5s off the road until a fix was found. I imagine that wan't too fun for those who went through it, but not really a major issue like wheels falling off or something.
  • coolmazda5coolmazda5 Posts: 525
    Got it mrbwa1. Yes, I was one of the recalled ones :( but Mazda did a good job IMO. I was surprised about the "average" qualification as I owned a Honda, a Chevy, tons of Fords, VWs, Nissan and these 2 Mazdas so far so good (knocking on wood)!

    It is not a daily thing that you buy the same car again based on the 1st one reliability, versatility and satisfaction...

    drives - 2006 and 2008 Mazda5 5-speed manual transmission, US

    BTW, something related to this topic:

    Mazda Claims Top Spot in Recent Reliability Survey. Feb 19, 2008

    Warranty DIRECT ‘Reliability League Table’ 2007 TOP 10 RESULTS

    Manufacturer Incidence Rate %*

    1 Mazda 8.04
    2 Honda 8.90
    3 Toyota 15.78
    4 Mitsubishi 17.04
    5 Kia 17.39
    6 Subaru 18.46
    7 Nissan 18.86
    8 Lexus 20.05
    9 Mini 21.90
    10 Citroen 25.98

    * Number of mechanical failures reported by policy holders for every 100 vehicles aged between three and nine years old.

    Source: Mazda USA Web Site. Inside Mazda (Press Release)
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    Can you give us the original web link.
  • coolmazda5coolmazda5 Posts: 525
    www.mazda.se, Good luck with your Swedish :)
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    Actually I was there but when I clicked on "galleria" I only see one photo.
  • coolmazda5coolmazda5 Posts: 525
    With regards to capacity, we love the fact that we can fit more souls than a sedan or a wagon (6 Mazda5 or 5-7 Rondo), but if people are considering to fully carry adults on these type of cars then take a look to the report from Motor Trend below. Reality is that the car platforms are still of a smaller car (even with extra weight mods), not a full-size people hauler...

    Although it's adept at hauling a variety of gear, the Kia is less proficient at transporting a full load of adults: "We drove over to a restaurant with seven passengers, and the engine and suspension felt tapped out-it's clearly not made for adult passengers all of the time."

    And this also goes for the Mazda5 for sure, except that in NA it is only 6 passengers load...

    Source:
    http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/oneyear/112_0804_2007_kia_rondo_update/
  • coolmazda5coolmazda5 Posts: 525
    Note: NA does not get the 2nd row middle seat...

    image

    source:
    http://www.premacy.mazda.co.jp/narrowband
  • coolmazda5coolmazda5 Posts: 525
    With these type of cars they also have their say after all :surprise:

    The Mazda5
    http://www.motherproof.com/2006/10/2007_mazda_5_to.html

    The Rondo
    http://www.motherproof.com/2007/07/2007-kia-rondo.html
  • conwelpicconwelpic Ontario, CanadaPosts: 600
    Canada:
    KIA - 3,156 vs 2,829 for 2007 an increase of 11.6%
    Mazda - 9,055 vs 8,108 for 2007 an increase of 11.7%
    (do not have model breakdown for Canada)

    US:
    KIA - 24,871 vs 27,567
    Rondo - 2,811 vs 1,514 for March 2007

    Mazda - 32,929 vs 37,742 for 2007 a 12.8% decrease
    However, sales of the Mazda 5 increase by 66.4% to 2,758 vs 1,657
  • d_hyperd_hyper Posts: 130
    People are warming up to a microvan :) If MazdaUSA could add a 7th seat to M5, I'll trade in my Focus wagon for it.
  • coolmazda5coolmazda5 Posts: 525
    Weekend Athlete Scores (Out of 10)

    Ease of loading gear: 9 — It's a small car, but there’s plenty of room.

    Ease of seat operation: 4.5 — Third row nice, second row not.

    Bike hauling: 9 — Again, small on the outside, nice and big on the inside.

    Locker-room cred: 7 — It's a minivan, but it doesn't scream “Mom wouldn’t let Dad take the cool car to the races!” the way others do. No faux-macho crap either.

    All-around: 7.5

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    Source:
    http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2008/04/weekend-athlete.html
  • The M5 measures 40" x 40" x 36" (height). I measured the 2008 M5 Touring
  • conwelpicconwelpic Ontario, CanadaPosts: 600
    here is the model breakdown for KIA and Mazda for March in Canada

    Rondo - 764 (2007 - 407)
    Year to date - 2,194 (2007 - 1,066) - over 100% increase!

    Mazda 5 - 1,560 (2007 - 1024)
    Year to date - 3,323 (2007 - 2,367)

    looks like Mazda is doing extremely well with their new Mazda 5 and a lot of Canadians are enjoying it. It appears that the niche market these two vehicles occupy is coming along in leaps and bounds!

    to give you an idea about a couple of the so-called competitors:
    HHR - 360
    PT Cruiser - 275

    Drives: 2008 Rondo EX, 5-seater, 2.4L
    Location: Prince Edward County, Ontario, Canada
  • medicinemanmedicineman Posts: 135
    Perhaps I misspoke about that pic of six in the roofless and sideless Mazda5 as being "photoshopped." Take a look at this behind-the-scenes pic of a promotional shoot of the Carens/Rondo. Yeah, they actually removed the roof:

    image

    And now for something completely different:

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    Have a gothy Christmas everyone. If you want to see more pics of the Carens with Magyars dressed as Szent Mikulás and as Slipknot roadies, see here (yeah, I know Slipknot isn't really goth, but that's besides the point).
  • medicinemanmedicineman Posts: 135
    Lookee what I found during my Internet travels, a poll entitled, Which is uglier, the Kia Rondo or the Mazda 5? Unfortunately, the poll is now closed, so all of us forum members can't flood the poll with our fair and balanced picks.

    Here are the results:

    Which is uglier?
    34% (14) Kia Rondo
    24% (10) Mazda 5
    9% (4) Both are ugly
    26% (11) Neither is ugly
    4% (2) Looks are secondary/irrelevant when I evaluate a vehicle
    Total: 41 votes
  • irismgirismg Posts: 345
    Whom did they ask? Teenagers? Or men?
  • coolmazda5coolmazda5 Posts: 525
    Or women? Or martians? Or owners? 41 people is a very small sample anyway...
  • coolmazda5coolmazda5 Posts: 525
    Finally :D

    One article discussed earlier here the "smaller car" suspension issues with a full load of adults (focused on Rondo, but it may be the same case for the Mazda5, except one less adult) so I believe this pic below a good example. Now imagine driving through potholes and speed bumps :sick:

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  • conwelpicconwelpic Ontario, CanadaPosts: 600
    Rondo: 2,583 vs 1,183 for 2007 a 118.3% increase
    Mazda 5: 2,011 vs 1,214 for 2007 a 65.7%

    as I said before this segment of the market is really doing well
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    Considering there's still a gap between the top of the rear tire the fender, I'd say the suspension is really good if this car is full of 7 adults. I've seen a lot of bigger vehicles looking really low in the back when fully loaded. Plus the ground clearance on the Mazda 5 or Rondo isn't much different than a full size minivan.
  • coolmazda5coolmazda5 Posts: 525
    A gap? I see a fender shadow over the tire, not a gap (unless the rear tires are a very low profile, irregular ones).

    Let me repost the MotorTrend review extract I was referring to earlier:

    Although it's adept at hauling a variety of gear, the Kia is less proficient at transporting a full load of adults: "We drove over to a restaurant with seven passengers, and the engine and suspension felt tapped out-it's clearly not made for adult passengers all of the time."


    Source:
    http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/oneyear/112_0804_2007_kia_rondo_update/
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    But I've seen fully loaded bigger cars where part of the rim was covered by the fender, and that's no where near the case for the Rondo. I've been to Europe many times and have seen fully loaded cars zipping down the road at 100mph, so I think it just that most Americans have an incorrect perception of the amount of power required. American may like big cars, engines, etc., but they're not necessary.

    Plus I don't know anyone carrying 7 big adults all the time looking at buying a Rondo, so let's be realistic. With the average family consisting of 4 people, 2 adults and 2 kids, the Rondo or Mazda5 are plenty big.

    And for those obese families with obese kids, maybe if they drove around in a Rondo or Mazda5 they might have more incentive to lose some weight ;)
  • coolmazda5coolmazda5 Posts: 525
    :confuse:

    a)
    These pics are from Hungary and, contrary to some other European countries, there is a highway speed limit there, so 100mph is not allowed in all of "Europe"

    b)
    My wife is from Germany, and there you see no speed limit in some autobahns (not all of them). Regardless you don't see Mazda5s, Citroen Picassos, Opel Zafiras and VW Tourans at 100+mph when fully loaded

    c)
    If you look at the pic showing the 3rd row passengers, regardless of what Country the guy to the right hails from, he's big. The rest don't seem though, but regardless, the point is: it is a 7 seater on a compact car designed suspension (with mods like the Mazda5, but still)

    d)
    Yes, I don't recommend a Mazda5 or a Rondo for a family of 5 either. For 5+ a big minivan is the car to go, but that is besides the point discussed here, I still believe the MotorTrend review is accurate
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