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Mazda 5 vs Kia Rondo

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  • Thanks for the advice. But, nah, don't worry about it. I already thought about that too. It won't be a big deal. The whole reason why we have a second car (her CRV) is because her parents helped us out a lot in her getting it. They knew she needed a car and they helped pay a big portion of it. So, the car isn't upside down at all - it's still worth a lot more than what we owe, so it might work out to our benefit. Next objection? :P
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  • mrbwa1mrbwa1 Posts: 42
    The Electric Assist is available on the Canidian GT models IIRC. No electric assist for the US from what I know.

    btw, slightly off topic, but the Standard 5 Sport without side sills (CM5 did they add those for 2008?) isn't too low to the ground. I can attest to that after an um.. incident involving one of those concrete parking stop blocks... Not sure if I have any undercoating or paint left on the frame rails though.
  • lavrishevolavrishevo Posts: 312
    If you need to tow a boat or jet ski you may want to consider the Rondo. The V6 version can tow up to 2,000 lbs with trailer brakes. Otherwise pick what fits your needs. Both are great cars.
  • bgwbgw Posts: 116
    Lavrishevo is absolutely correct! Both are great cars but only the Rondo is rated to tow.
    My 1998 Legacy wagon, with a 137 hp 4 cyl, was rated to tow the same amount, and my 1998 Escort wagon, with a 110 hp 4 cyl, is rated to tow 1,000 lbs.
    Why then, with a 182 hp V6, is the Rondo only rated for 2,000 lbs and the 153 hp Mazda5 not rated to tow at all? Are the Legacy and Escort ratings overstated (unlikely) or is it just that the Rondo and M5 are underrated for towing? Hmmm.
    Anyone know?
  • lavrishevolavrishevo Posts: 312
    I bet the the 5 could tow 1,000 pounds but since it is not rated you would open yourself up to huge liability. You would not be covered in case of an accident unless you could get an insurance company to add that to your policy, which is highly unlikely with the manufacturer not rating the vehicle to have that ability. Honestly, I don't know why. Even the Hyundai Elantra can tow 3,086 lbs with trailer brakes... incredible.. LOL. I know on my Sedona I can tow up to 3,500 lbs with trailer brakes though I don't know if I want to do that... Now all I need is a boat... :D

    http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/list/top10/102426/article.html
  • coolmazda5coolmazda5 Posts: 525
    Interesting article

    ...Maybe in this context, door shape and entry/egress are two usually overlooked reasons so many people have opted for two-box cars, such as minivans and even SUVs, or at least those not requiring stepladders to enter. Mazda obviously thought that some buyers would recognize the benefits of sliding doors and included them in the clever Mazda5, clearly thinking outside the box of conventional design. That is exactly what we need: more outside-the-box thinking for ways to get us inside the box.


    Source:
    http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080708/FREE/361543080/1028/- FREE
  • coolmazda5coolmazda5 Posts: 525
    If you have decided that a Mazda5 is the one, don't wait long...

    The family sedan and wagon aren’t the hot sellers they once were, but there are quite a few new models that are selling quickly, like the Chevy Malibu and Mazda5. The Kia Optima is a surprise on the list, but it also had significant incentives in June as dealers prepared for the upcoming 2009 model, which goes on sale later this year. Check out the losers and luxury winners and losers below.

    Top 10 Sedan, Hatchback and Wagon Movers

    * 2008 Toyota Prius: 4 days
    * 2009 Toyota Camry Hybrid: 10 days
    * 2009 VW Jetta SportWagen: 13 days
    * 2008 Kia Optima: 23 days
    * 2008 Chevy Malibu: 24 days
    * 2008 Chevy Impala: 25 days
    * 2008 Honda Accord: 25 days
    * 2008 Nissan Altima Hybrid: 25 days
    * 2008 Mazda5: 28 days
    * 2008 Pontiac G8: 30 days



    Source:
    http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2008/07/movers-and-lo-3.html
  • athenasiusathenasius Posts: 118
    i hear you re the gap in the middle seat for the dog but mine has gotten used to it. As for the laying down on the floor why not just take the head rest off the front seat and lean it all the way back and it makes into a bed in conjunction with the middle row seat(not as good as a bed but quite adequate).
  • conwelpicconwelpic Ontario, CanadaPosts: 600
    Mazda 5
    June 2008: 1,416 units vs 1,096 for June 2007
    YTD 2008: 11,977 vs 8,309 for 2007

    Rondo
    June 2008: 2,172 vs 4,139 for June 2007
    YTD 2008: 15,974 vs 9,996 for 2007
  • uzvuzv Posts: 8
    I'm 6 ft tall and currently own Dodge Caravan (short ver) with 7 seats and looking to replace with smaller but 6-7 seat.
    1.
    Visited Mazda dealer and played just with Mazda5 seats for 15 min:
    Adjusted seats to the BEST possible sitting for myself (6ft tall) in ALL rows (1,2,3)
    The result:
    1 row - good
    2 row- so-so : problem with feet (does not fit well under 1 row seat)
    3 row - bad : feet just does not feet under 2nd row seat
    There is solution but for only one foot - to stuck it between
    2nd row seats (other foot has to be cut of to be comfortable)
    So Mazda5 3d row - for kids ONLY.
    2.
    Visited KIA dealer and played just with Rondo seats for the same 15 min:
    Adjusted seats to the BEST possible sitting for myself (6ft tall) in ALL rows (1,2,3)
    The result:
    1 row - good
    2 row- good
    3 row - Ok : head is very close to ceiling
    So Rondo 3d row - Ok for 6ft adults
    IMPORTANT: the main thing is to readjust ALL rows to achieve good result in each row
  • coolmazda5coolmazda5 Posts: 525
    I'm 5'11" and after all the pics posted earlier in this thread, I would not buy either a Mazda5 nor a Rondo based on the ability of myself to seat on the 2nd or 3rd row. My main need is family (with small kids). For 2nd/3rd row adult seating needs I would buy a mercury Grand Marquis or may be a massive minivan. Adults sit on the 2nd and 3row seats 2-5% of the time on my case (mostly 2nd row, which is OK. I own 2 Mazda5s)
  • uzvuzv Posts: 8
    The main point of Mazda/Rondo is to get away from BIG cars and still have ability to take 7 people (of course not every day - but when needed).
    BIG cars as mainstream are dead (only for that ones who do not care about price of gas) - which is well confirmed by almost funeral state of GM/Ford, etc
    It's actually very happy time for US - FINALY to open eyes and see what a mess
    we created in sense of cars we drive
  • bgwbgw Posts: 116
    Uzv said "The main point of Mazda/Rondo is to get away from BIG cars and still have ability to take 7 people (of course not every day - but when needed)."
    Exactly!
    I could have bought an 07 Dodge Caravan but I chose to look at the Mazda5 and Rondo. I bought a Rondo V6, since it is big enough for my family's needs but not too big.
    Good point, Uzv!
  • coolmazda5coolmazda5 Posts: 525
    Uzv said "The main point of Mazda/Rondo is to get away from BIG cars and still have ability to take 7 people (of course not every day - but when needed)."

    :). I did not see that as the "main point", but I understand.

    Keep on mind that the models did NOT show up in 2008 in NA, but is interesting to see how trends change. I bought my first one in 2005 before the gas craze and the theme was more like a "small people mover on a budget", nothing else. My wife is originally from Europe where petrol was already pricey so for her was perfect.

    Now with a $4+ a gallon everybody is turning around to buy them and they are selling well. Don't take me wrong but I see now more people sacrificing comfort by cramping up these cars due to the price and better gas mileage, which is natural.

    I think Mazda and KIA had just luck on the early timing when bringing these models to the NA market :D
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    It's funny on the one hand because even though people are buying the Mazda5 or Rondo to get better MPG, they'll probably only AVERAGE in the low 20s vs high teens as with a full sized minivan, or save about $700 per year on gas, while their real savings is the $5-10,000 they'll save on the initial purchase price. So they would have saved that at $1/gal gas. If gas was $2/gal they'd save $350/year, so the real gas savings difference from going from $2 to $4 gas is $350/year.

    Again, people are buying them to save $ because of gas but they're really saving because of the lower purchase price, which has nothing to do with the price of gas. In fact, these little cars are being less discounted due to the high gas prices. Anyway, just some thoughts. I just wonder why the same people who say they're buying small because of the gas weren't so worried about the total purchase price when gas was cheap.

    It's even more strange to me to hear someone going from a $40K SUV to a $20K economy car to save gas. They don't even mention the fact that they just saved $20K on the purchase prices, but are more interested in the $20 bucks a week they'll save in gas! Pretty strange logic to me!
  • coolmazda5coolmazda5 Posts: 525
    I've read something similar about the hybrids, especially when you pay the hefty markup nowadays for things like the Prius.

    Hybrid Vehicles Not Best Value According to Edmunds.com
    http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20080- 625005404&newsLang=en
  • uzvuzv Posts: 8
    As price of gas goes up (and most likely it will) - gas savings of small cars will also go up.
    Also it looks like Mazada/Rondo does not have really good MPG - but I think
    they can improve it. I'm less optimistic about MPG improvement for big minivans
    as they had a lot of time to do it with no result. I'm speaking about old fashion improvement (without hybrid). Diesel will also big help as it takes about 30%
    less fuel.
    About less comfort in smaller cars - yes we have to give up comfort that we
    can not afford.
    I think next on funeral list are big houses (and actually not so big like 2500-3000
    sq.ft.) as people will not be able to pay heating and electric /AC bills
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  • conwelpicconwelpic Ontario, CanadaPosts: 600
    Mazda 5:
    June 2008 - 1,281 vs 1,156 for June 2007
    YTD 2008 - 7,848 vs 6,398 for June 2007

    Rondo
    June 2008 - 935 vs 830 for Jun 2007
    YTD 2008 - 5,170 vs 3,445 for June 2007

    for US readers keep in mind that the US market is 9.5 times larger than Canada
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