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2007 Toyota Camry Transmission Questions

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  • kiawahkiawah Posts: 3,666
    Here's the TSB, if anyone needs it:

    TC010-06
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    There must be more than one Toyota dealer in your area. Looks like your car falls in the TSB range. I did my "canvassing" today in between making a living by selling cars ;) There weren't many Camry 07's in for service that I saw with the exception of an Le that I sold last summer. I spoke with the owner and he has no problems with it. Was getting an oil change and tire rotation. I spoke with a couple of our Master techs and the main man told me he personally had worked on two yes 2 V6 Camrys with the six speed transmission and another two 4 cylinder with the "hesitation problem". He explained to me the DBW or drive by wire system now in the new gen Camry and I understand the hesitation people are referring to. The car is actually delaying the upshift by less than a second and then kicks in so a surge of power is felt by the driver. This is not necessarily a problem per se but the way DBW is integrated with the drive train. The "hard shift" that the TSB speaks of is a downshift from 5th to 4th gear and it's known as "shift shock" which in previous gen Camrys was controlled by a slight retardation of the engine timing.
    :)
    Mackabee
  • We have a 2007 Camry 4 cyl that is have the usual hesitation, jerkiness, etc., shifting problems. Same as has been mention several times before on this forum. We also own a 2006 4cyl Camry that runs great so we have a comparison. Toyota has said there is nothing else they can do so we are scheduled for an arbitration hearing on 29/Oct. Does anyone have any advice?
  • teamtboteamtbo Posts: 78
    rstine61, How many times has Toyota tried to fix your hesitation issue? How long has it been out of commission? If you don't have several attempts (at least 3) then I don't think you will win at arbitration. Unfortunately, if Toyota is denying the problem, it really puts you at a huge disadvantage.

    The arbitrator's usually use your states lemon law as a guide as to if they will buy back your car or not.

    I have read several places that arbitration is a waste of time. The arbitrators are paid by Toyota. Toyota tells you that you need to go to arbitration before you can file a Lemon Law suit but, at least in California, I have heard that isn't true.

    As far as advice, you may want to try and video the hesitation on your 2007 and also video the same driving conditions in the 2006 so the arbitrators can see the difference.

    I wish you all the best!
  • teamtboteamtbo Posts: 78
    Brought my car back to the dealer again yesterday for the noise I was telling you about and the shift flare. Sure enough, the noise was TSB EG039-06 - took the tech about 1 minute to re-adjust the steering column hold shield.

    I dropped off the car so I could repro the shift flare for them this morning. I was able to reproduce it and got it documented. Whatever they do will be attempt #4. They said they want me to bring the car back in on Tuesday when the Field Technical Specialist will be there to go for a test drive. I am not sure how going on another test drive with the FTS will help them considering Toyota has been trying to fix this problem for 1 to 1.5 years now. :confuse:
  • We have had the car in three times and they (the dealer as well as the Toyota customer center) have told us there is nothing else they can do. In fact they are the ones that suggested to go to arbitration.
  • teamtboteamtbo Posts: 78
    So, how many times has the dealership attempted to fix your issue? Have you ever been able to reproduce the issue for them and have them document it on the work order?

    This is very important because it proves that there is indeed a problem with your car. I think the arbitrator will be looking for some proof that 1) your car has a problem 2) it was verified by Toyota (dealership) and 3) Toyota made a 'reasonable' number of attempts to fix it and weren't able to.

    Any idea what your state's lemon law says?
  • mackabee--- Thank you for your time and effort. I no longer have the hesitation problem after TSB EG037-07(Aug 2,07) was installed. The hard shift, however, was not corrected. Since my car exhibits precisely the same performance as those who have described it in posts within this forum, and who report that the problem was corrected by TSB TC010-06, I have suspected that my VIN must be eligible for installation of TSB TC-010. Back in June of this year, I was told by my local Toyota dealer that my VIN was NOT eligible for installation of any TSBs. However, I agree with you that my VIN does fall in the range of elibility for this TSB (TC010-06). Will check with other Toyota dealers in nearby towns. Thanks, again.
  • Kiawah---Thanks for posting TC010-06. After reviewing the VINs eligible for installation of this TSB, listed therein, I am going to take my car to a Toyota dealer in another town, as apparently my local dealer does not want to be bothered (or is too incompetent). I did not buy my 07 Camry from him, so he does not offer any help. I always thought that no matter where you buy your car, the local dealer would offer professional services. Obviously, I have been mistaken. Thanks, again!!
  • djm2djm2 Posts: 705
    Hi camryowner1:
    Important fact to remember; ----- If you want service from you local dealer, purchase your vehicle from that dealer, and have all of your preventive maintenance done by that dealer! This is just the way the "real world" operates! If you want to become his customer, give him some service work. Get to know the service advisor. Get to know the service manager.
    Best regards. ----- Dwayne :shades: ;) :)
  • chuck28chuck28 Posts: 259
    I too have noticed that dealers are hesitant to work on my car. It's funny that Toyota corp. will tell you that you can take your car to any dealer but you can't get any dealer to perform the work. The bottom line is Toyota and the dealers don't treat all their customers the same! It's to bad.
    Why should we have to be the one's to work so hard to try to get our cars fixed?
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,668
    Never had this problem - had two warranty issues with an '01 Rav. A cowl rattle and a TSB for squeaky brakes, just annoying, not safety issues or not affecting ability to get to somewhere. They were VERY happy to do the work, even though I bought from another dealer on the other side of town.
  • bmarkbmark Posts: 52
    I couldn't agree more. BEst thing to do is really get to know the service advisor, they will hook you up in many ways. I don't have a Camry, but I have bought 3 cars from the same dealership, and now the service advisor is my buddy. He gives me free advice on everything, and a couple of time when I did stupid things with my car, like knock out a parking light while braking he put it under mfg warranty saying it fell out while driving. Haha, so get to know them they will hook you up and hopefully fix your trans.
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    Unfortunately for the customer some dealerships service depts still don't get it. :( You can take your Toyota to any Toyota dealer in the US and have warranty work or any type of work performed on it. The reason some are hesitant or refuse to do it is that warranty work pays less than customer pay work. Some dealers that have foresight do the work in hopes of retaining a customer for life and others just don't see the light. It should not matter where you bought your vehicle they are required to work on it. If you encounter this situation call Toyota at 1-800-331-4331 and file a complaint ask them to open a case number and see how fast your uncooperative dealer is on the phone begging you to bring the car in.
    :)
    Mackabee
  • I am afraid to say, you are wasting your time going through Arbitration. You will not win. I did not and neither did 100's before me.
    I am going to try again though in 30 days since they have now applied the latest TSB which fixes the 'hesitation' (supposedly) but does not address the cruise control problem.
    We are driving down to Mobile, Ala. on 85-south then 65-south. I will once again record everytime it jumps from Cruise to 4th to 3rd gear. I did it for a 1 hour time frame and recorded 43 times it dropped from 'over drive' to 4th then to 3rd gear taching at 5,400.
  • joel16joel16 Posts: 64
    I have been playing with the cruise control on my 2007 XLE 4cyl for the last two weeks, and have observed the following:
    1. tested on a long stretch of local road that had some mild hills and twists and turns with a speed limit of 45mph. I set the cruise at 45, and was pleased with the way the car handled the hills; there was no rapid acceleration, and engine braking (downshift) worked nicely; speed hovered right around 45
    2. tested on a long stretch of highway where the speed limit was 55, some upgrade and downgrade. Again, the Camry did very well when set at 55, only kicking down once, and not unexpected (I could see it coming).
    3. tested on a long stretch of highway where the speed limit was 70, some steep upgrades and downgrades. My Camry did not perform very well in this test. It kept doing the rapid downshift+upshift dance so many times I discontinued use.

    I have to conclude that this engine is just plain underpowered for the weight of the car under high speed conditions where the roadway isn't flat, or with mild up/down grades. I will be heading for the mountains in the next few weeks, and will see how the engine does on steep upgrades at lower speeds. I am betting it will be up/down shifting quite a bit unless I disallow overdrive.
  • 2007camry1---- I agree that arbitration is a waste of time. The decision in my case was that the cruise control problem as you described (which I presented along with copies of service orders and a copy of latest Aug07 TSB) was not a safety issue and did not decrease the value of my 07 Camry LE 4cyl/5spd automatic. Good luck!!!
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    No, your I4 is NOT underpowered, the two new '07 rental vehicles I drove early this year both had V6's and both exhibited the tendency to continuously switch gears for relatively simple undulations in the roadbed.

    The manufacturers have figured out how to program the engine/transaxle ECU such that it will keep the engine operating with the BEST FE, right on the cusp of having just enough power for the task of the moment.

    Also, six speed transmissions now often operate as 9 speed gear boxes via the use of the lockup clutch in gear ratios other than actual OD. More "finely" "cogged" gearboxes, more shiftiness.
  • joel16joel16 Posts: 64
    wwest, I have read your very well written previous notes, and understand the concept. I hadn't understood that no matter what the horsepower, the ECU would cause the up/downshift dance in the name of FE. Any idea how much mileage I'd have to sacrifice to eliminate the shifts? Or, maybe a program that is somewhere down the middle of performance versus fuel economy?
  • palpakpalpak Posts: 21
    What rpm did your engine reach when the CC down shifting occurred? Mine would reach 4500++, at that RPM I don't think its for FE.

    The 2005 Camry with 2.4L engine has 163 ft-lbs and weighs 3164 lbs.
    The 2007 Camry with 2.4L engine has 161 ft-lbs and weighs 3307 lbs.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    The fact that the transaxle "held" the previous higher gear ratio (too long??) was/is for FE purposes. The 4500 RPM "surge" is an undesireable result, no question.

    Here in the NW mountainous regions I find that it helps to slip the transaxle out of OD manually when I see a fairly serious incline upcoming. Unlike you, the CC has no forward "vision" so it MUST wait for the speed to decline before reacting.
  • I have LE L4. I had same problem also. I dont have any trust in anything anymore. First of im a former mechanic. first i tryed chip on ebay the care drove perfect except on cold starts it would surge ind turn check engine on. so i removed mod. next i install cold air intake from fujita. the car runs almost perfect no shifting problems or cruise control problems, the only thing is noise. Im in the process of trying to minimise noise. I used some sound deadning material around wheel arch where the filters mounts. sound much better its only a littleloud under hard acceleration if cruising cant tell you have a cold air intake at all, untill you need the speed. the car moves effortless I recent touched 120 MPH with it since intake never went past 105 without so i cant say. all i know is my car runs alot better.
  • I think your right i tryed two different mods on my car the ebay chip 10 40 hp supposely and cold air 8-10 hp increse both made the car run perfect. chipped caused check engine light they telling me i hooked it up towrong wire im tell them i did no i have wireing diagram. intake works great. for younger folks because noise.
  • djm2djm2 Posts: 705
    Hi mackabee:
    That "action" might look good on "paper," but it will not "fly" in the real world! ----- It is far better to work with the selling dealer in a professional manner! --- I never have a problem with a new car dealer in terms of service. ---- 1st, I make it a point to purchase my vehicle from a local dealer. 2nd, the sales person knows up front that I will give the dealer all of the service work, both paid and warranty, for the life of the vehicle. (This includes brakes, tires ---etc). 3rd, I make it a point to get to know the "Service Advisor" and the "Service Manager" on a personal basis. When I present my vehicle for sevice, I always leave "something" for the Service Technician with the repair order, and when the service has been completed, I make it a point to say "thank you" in the form of a hand written note the next day! I get excellent service from my Toyota Dealer, because I respect the staff at the dealership, and they respect me as the customer. Our lines of communication are open. I can call them at any time and get a question answered. We have a positive professional relationship. I would NEVER report a problem with the dealer to the parent corporation. I would rather work things out in a "fact to face meeting" with dealership management.
    Best regards. ---- Dwayne :shades: ;) :)
  • joel16joel16 Posts: 64
    The relationship that Dwayne describes here is exactly the same relationship I have with my Toyota dealership. I know everyone there from service to sales, and they know me. I have all services, minor and major, including inspections, oil changes, etc. done at the dealership. It does make a difference. What helps is (and I know this isn't true for all dealerships, their owners and staff) if the employees remain for years, some for life. I always take my car in first thing in the morning when it's not so busy and have had many opportunities to talk with service and support people. I have never heard a complaint about the dealership or Toyota. This kind of loyalty (no, not BLIND loyalty) inspires my confidence in them. Sometimes things are out of their control, like problems with the new 2007 Camry. BUT, I have confidence that when I ask a question, or ask them to look into something, they really are giving me the best information possible. In fact, as much as three months after my purchase, and many questions about the hesitation, they offered to buy the car back from me at almost full price, and start over again. It was about then that the TSB came out.
  • crookie----Tell me where I can get the Fujita Cold Air Intake.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    The only person at my Lexus dealer that is likely to recognize me is the one behind the parts counter.

    DIY all the way.
  • I got it from ebay best offer $220. but before you do i did alot of searching and there is a perement fix fom Toyota. Check out http://www.toyotanation.com/ there is a servive bulitin TSB EG036-07 I4 ECM Calibration - 8/2/07 it will resolve all shifting and power problems with the I4 Camry. I would guess there working on fix for V6 also. I4 Owners get a copy of TSB and take it to dealer and tell them thats what you want done on your vechicle. V^ owners hold tight.
  • There is a solution to your problem TSB EG036-07 I4 ECM Calibration - 8/2/07 more info at http://www.toyotanation.com/ go to dealer and tell them this is what you want
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