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What is this thing worth?

ok two months ago i got ahold of a 1959 t-bird but its got a really rare option that ford added called a parade car which means it has a snap on leather top and behind the rear seats and before the trunk is made of fiberglass so you could sit on it during parades and not dent the metal. it only has 67000 miles and i am almost done restoring the engine but everything on the car is original matching numbers and its in great shape. i just cant find one for sale anywhere and ford wont get back up with me to tell me how few they made somebody please help me out on the price or if youre interested thanks.
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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,715
    Well you can't put a price on something that might not be real. So you'd have to document that this isn't just some person's customization. These kits were designed by Bud Kaufman in 1962 so unless you can access family records or in some way prove that this was a genuine Ford option, then the "value" would be a small add-on as a customization feature to the normal price of the car.

    If it were a provable documented prototype and had some presentation or show history, that could be very interesting and worth extra $$$.

    But without any hard evidence (photos, testimonials from the creators) etc., all you have is a customized car---so it might even be worth less than a normal '59 Bird.

    Basically you'd have to prove that it was some kind of show car used by Ford, and you'd have to have pix of the car doing that.

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  • yeah i know what youre talking about youre getting mine confused with the landua package that bud made in 62 where a piece of fiberglass actually covered the rear seats mine goes from behind the rear seats to the trunk plus mine has stamping from ford on the underside of the sheet of fiberglass behind the carpet in the trunk but still the landua cover was quite rare since it made up i believe only 7 percent of the sales that year but thanks for trying you know more than most ever will
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,715
    Well maybe it was some kind of show car, that's possible.

    I can't address authenticity because I don't know--that's where you, the detective, comes in, but I can only tell you that without documents and photos you don't have anything to base value upon. Speculation and conjecture will not translate into value.

    Why don't you post a photo? You can link to your own photo site if you have one or you can upload photos to your own www.carspace.com page (which you create by joining Carspace.com) and then link your personal Carspace page to this forum.

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  • yeah go to myspace if you want i have a few pic up my user name is rhodes.eric
  • can anyone tell hjow many 1971 cutlass s wrer built with facoery 4 spd?
    what's it worth?
    olds_MAN69
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,715
    Is it just an S or is it a 442?

    Is is a coupe or convertible?

    If a 442 does it have the W30 option?

    If just a Cutlass S, what condition is it in, from #4 (runs but kinda shabby) to #3 really clean driver to #2 local show car quality to #1 show car.

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  • texasestexases Posts: 5,671
    Recent article talks about how prices look to be dropping for all but the top-level classics: Auction Downturn
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,715
    Lots of cars going to Europe right now.....LOTS.....

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 34,190
    I just got a copy of the British mag 'Classic & Sportscar' (for a fintail article and the free calendar), and there are tons of American ads in it, one from a dealer right in my backyard even.
  • texasestexases Posts: 5,671
    What is it, about $1,000 to ship port to port? Not much when high$$ cars are concerned, weak $$ and all.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 34,190
    I think it might be a couple grand from west coast to UK, but that's not much with the pound being worth $2 and I am sure there is some kind of volume discount too.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,108
    I wonder if that means the bottom is going to fall out of those gas guzzling 70's behemoths that I love so much? I wonder if there will finally be some good deals at Carlisle this year?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,715
    I can already see the bottom end of the market falling apart---the under 20K market, especially rods, project cars, old 4 doors from the 50s. LOTS of people are bailing out of their cars if they have "one too many". Prices are definitely dropping, but NOT on the high end stuff or the really nice restorations of interesting cars.

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 34,190
    D'oh...looks like plans to find a nice prewar open MB or a Simplex to take on the Brighton run for 5K are never going to come true :P
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,317
    Has the law of supply and demand been repealed? I must be missing something, but if lots of old cars are being shipped to Europe, the supply of cars in the U.S. is declining. Assuming demand remains constant, reduced supply would normally put upward pressure on prices. If prices are declining it means that the demand is not constant, but, rather, that it's decreasing faster than the reduction in supply. As the adage says, one must never assume.

    With gasoline costing $6-$8 per gallon in Europe, who can afford to drive old Detroit iron? It would cost a couple of dollars just to back one of those carburated beasts down the driveway, with a cold engine and the choke wide open. On the other hand, if you only drive to a car show once or twice a year it wouldn't be a big deal.
  • texasestexases Posts: 5,671
    Assuming demand remains constant

    That's what's changed - it sounds like the demand for second/third tier cars is dropping. Lots of hobby cars out there, ready to come on the market, but lots of the hobby money has evaporated.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,715
    The Euros are not buying the low priced stuff---they are cherry-picking the nicer muscle cars or exotic European stuff we stole from them back when.

    So supply and demand is working as usual on the nicer items, but demand is slipping on lower end cars, projects, home-built rods, plain-jane cars, etc.

    I saw a really REALLY nice 4-door Chrysler go begging at $3,500. Nobody wants this stuff anymore it seems.

    People are unloading no doubt about it--but the Europeans can't take it all, and don't want it all, so prices will drop accordingly.

    As for the Europeans affording to drive these cars, they aren't being bought by guys hanging out in Munich beer halls. These buyers are affluent. The EU is going gangbusters right now. They own a larger percentage of the global marketplace than we do at the moment. A weak dollar has a lot of negative effects for us at home, but apparently good effects for classic car dealers shipping overseas (or anyone selling overseas actually).

    You have to think of the Euros shopping here and everything being sold at 25% off retail (for them). It's bargain day in the USA! :cry:

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  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,317
    I'll bet one thing few European and Asian buyers of old American cars think about is the salt exposure as the cars cross the pond. The resulting rust won't be evident right away, but the oxidation process begins - or rather, accelerates for those cars that are already corroded - the moment those cars are loaded on the ships.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,715
    That is quite true, but you know, the Europeans are far more used to rust and much more skilled in dealing with it. They think nothing of cutting out rockers and replacing them almost as a maintenance item. And they have lots of skilled cheap labor from eastern Europe to fix these babies. They also don't over-restore cars like we do.

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  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,108
    I saw a really REALLY nice 4-door Chrysler go begging at $3,500. Nobody wants this stuff anymore it seems.

    Ooh, that made my ears perk up. Andre wants details. :)

    Actually, for some twisted reason, I've been in the mood lately for a '57-58 DeSoto or Chrysler 4-door hardtop. I always thought these were pretty cars.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 34,190
    So many cars came over in the 60s and 70s - from England especially. I suspect a lot of them will go home, as I don't see the US dollar being fixed anytime soon.

    Even for common cars like fintails...if you look through the registers in German clubs, many are from the US.
  • parmparm Posts: 723
    Just to throw in my two cents, I can attest to the trend of the upper cars going overseas. This past Labor Day weekend, I attended the Kruse auction in Auburn, IN. An absolutely stunning '32 Duesenberg J Model (I mean, this thing was beautiful) sold for $1M to a guy on a cell phone. Who was on the other end of the line? The buyer, who was in England.

    http://www.kruse.com/results/detail.asp?CONSIGN=1058&MAKE=Duesenberg&AUC_CODE=AU- BFALL07&AUC_BREAD=Auburn%2C%20IN%202007&SEARCH_NAME=Duesenberg&YEAR=2007&RESULTS- =1&PAGE=1
  • texasestexases Posts: 5,671
    Thanks for the Kruse link. I don't know if this is typical, but I checked out the Dodge auctions, and the great majority of the 60's era cars went unsold. Maybe reality hasn't quite been accepted by the sellers.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,715
    Usually when the market slumps, sellers dig in and buyers dig in and somebody waits for someone else to blink. So we'll see who blinks first.

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  • lolaclolac Posts: 1
    Could someone give me an estimate on the value of a 1989 Cadillac limousine, it has 6 doors and seats 9, the interior is velvet, the limo has 65,000 original miles and is in very, very good shape. It was used to transport families to gravesites during funerals..It is not a hearse. What do I do to find out its worth? No sites seem to list these. It cannot possibly be the only one out there! Any help will be appreciated.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,108
    I see those limos every once in awhile. They're nice cars. There was one for sale at one of the swap meets in Carlisle, PA last year. I remember somebody had put a little sticker on the back of one of the seats that said "Made in China". I thought that was amusing. ;)

    I imagine though, that it would be worth about the same as an equivalent condition sedan of similar vintage. While that Limo would have been a much more expensive car when new, there just isn't much demand for them used. They'll often get snatched up by livery companies, put into service, and then run into the ground, so there's some demand for them as business vehicles. But probably not once they get to a certain age. Then, on the vintage market, there's only so much demand for something like this. They take up a lot of storage space, are cumbersome to drive, and a lot of the unique trim parts are hard to find.

    You might want to try contacting a professional car club if you're interested in selling it. You'd have more of a target audience there. This site may be of help: http://www.professionalcar.org/
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,715
    Probably about $4,000 sounds right. Limos of this type are not easy to sell because of their space requirements, and they are too old to use for commercial purposes---so it's a very slim market. I certainly wouldn't give more than that for it regardless of condition.

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  • xsaoxsao Posts: 2
    this baby has original everthing in like perfect condit. paint job and everything, and it only has 43,000 miles. The guy I got it from died and was like 90 years old, and he really cared about it.

    the thing is im 17 years old, and I know nothing about cars and I was wondering if someone could tell me how much it is worth, since it is a classic and all..

    oh yeah, and its 2 wheel drive, 2 door, no power steering or windows or locks, but yeah im sure you guys knew that....

    thanks!
  • fintailfintail Posts: 34,190
    I wouldn't call it a classic, but it is unusual to find a decent one, and if cared for they seem to last forever. I could see someone paying a few grand for it if it really is pristine.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,715
    Yeah I'm thinkin' the same thing--if it was really cherry, about $2,000.

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