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What is this thing worth?



  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,738
    Wow, small world. I came somewhat close to buying a '74 hardtop coupe back in the late 90's (technically, that first year the car's correct name would be Plymouth Fury Gran Coupe) from a guy in a Mopar club. This one was pale yellow, had a 360, fairly good shape, and he wanted $900 for it.

    These cars were very poor sellers when new, partly because they debuted during the first Arab oil embargo. That was a bad time for big cars in general, but I think Mopar suffered extra hard because they introduced an all-new style that year. And they had sort of a massive, hulking look to them that made them just look like guzzlers. Personally, I love 'em though, especially the '74 Furys and the '75 Gran Furys with the quad headlights.

    According to my old car book, they only made 9617 Fury Gran coupes in 1974, so it was a rare car, even when new. For the most part, these cars were popular as police cars and taxis, but sold poorly to the general public, Often the civilian models, the 4-doors at least, fell into the hands of taxi drivers as they became used cars, so for the most part the big C-body 1974-77 Fury/Gran Fury, and its sister Monaco/Royal Monaco, became rarities pretty quickly.

    If you get it, post some pics. I'd love to see it!
  • billiejodbilliejod Posts: 3
    Feedback on the value of 1957 Austin Healey 3000 appreciated:
    this car has a v8 327 chevy engine inside
    original transmission
    original v6 engine available
    new top
    interior/exterior in good condition
    *the v8 engine is not running
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 48,290
    That's a tough one. In one sense the car is a [non-permissible content removed] so it will not have the value of an original A-H.

    Most V-8 conversions on these cars are not done very well, so you end up with a twisted frame from all that V8 torque and a car that goes like hell in a straight line and couldn't corner or brake to save its life.

    I guess what I'm saying is that "what it is worth' depends a lot on the quality of the engineering involved.

    I'm thinking well under $10,000 unless the body and interior are simply stunning, and the V8 conversion is virtually invisible to the passerby.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 18,680
    ummm... well, considering there is no such thing as a 1957 AH 3000 or that no AH 3000 ever had a V6, I'd say its worth $0.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 48,290
    People confuse A-Hs all the time in nomenclature. It's probably a 100-6.

    I did see one once with a GM V-6 and automatic, and it was nicely done---by an engineer as a hobby. But really, what's the point of that powertrain on a car of this type? Might as well get yourself a replica.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 18,680
    If the car is for real and has, in fact, the original I6 available, I'd say return it to stock. They are fairly valuable.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 48,290
    That'd be the smart move, if you could buy it cheap enough and if it hasn't been 'chopped' to get the V8 in there. Doing a complete nut and bolt on an A-H can be expensive.

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  • billiejodbilliejod Posts: 3
    I did not have the correct info. this is a 100-6 AH and the 357 conversion is relatively un-noticeable. plus....original motor comes with the car. there is no rust and the interior is in good condition. the car has been garage kept but has not run in 11 years.... it could though without a complete overhaul.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 18,663
    edited September 2013
    A couple I know has in their garage, a 1965 Ford Mustang. It's a hardtop wit a 289 and Automatic.

    They bought it years ago as a basket case with good intensions. They moved it up here from So. California and it's been sitting in their garage ever since. They own a restaurant,work six days a week and have come to grips with the fact they don't have time for it.

    The good news....

    The body is straight as can be, rust free, repainted Poppy Red some years ago. Paint has some flaws but from ten feet away, it's a knockout! Chrome factory Mustang wheels.

    New interior! A reproduction black interior is installed and the car has not been driven since the
    paint and interior were done. All glass and chrome looks like new.

    Bad news...Not driven since 1990.

    The 289 engine "appears" to have been rebuilt. It sits on an engine stand.

    C4 Cruisematic sits on the floor of the garage along with the driveshaft.

    All parts "appear" to be there but who knows?

    All books, title etc are with the car.

    This guy has no idea what it's worth and neither do I.

    A recent Old Cars Price Guide shows a Condition 5 @ 3000.00
    Condition 4 @ 5000.00 and a Condition 3 @ 11,000.

    Now, I would drop the C4 at a local trans shop for a reseal at the least.

    Assuming the worst...what do you guys think?

    I will say, the car "pops" as far as it's looks!
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 18,680
    what is the underside and rockers like?
    There are just so many details that could change the value, I think.

    If all what you wrote is all there is to say, meaning the underside is pristine, engine bay is detailed and ready to receive the rebuilt engine, all numbers are matching, etc. Then it sounds to me like you are about $8k away from having a $16-17k car. Sooo... $7k? If you look around and find other things that need doing, then start deducting.

    that's my wild guess.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 48,290
    I think the way to approach "basket cases" especially of very common cars like a '65 Mustang, is to consider the price of an equivalent condition car all fixed up and ready to roll....not "show quality restoration" but a very VERY nice driver.

    So for a '65 Mustang that's maybe $15,000 right now.

    Then you start backing up from that price, putting in plenty of "fudge-factors" for things that could go wrong.

    Are you feeling lucky? Or will the rings in that engine have glued themselves with rust to the cylinder walls after 23 years? Will a re-seal really seal the transmission or it is all gunk and varnish in there?

    And of course there's tires and all new brakes and brake lines (if you plan to live very long driving a single chamber master cylinder car), draining the gas tank, rebuilding the carb, new fuel pump, filter, battery.

    Then the labor to install engine and transmission, or if you're going to do it, tooling up for that.

    I'd say $3000 to $4000 is all the money here.

    If you're lucky you'll be in it $8K total, and if you're not lucky, you'll break even.

    If you PAY $8K, you could be hosed down the line.

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  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 18,663
    Shifty, you and I are thinking alike again.

    After 20 plus years of sitting I would probably have that transmission overhauled. Those O rings and clutches have to be tired and varnished up.

    I hear you on that engine. I would probably pull the plugs, squirt it full of WD 40, let it sit awhile and then put a breaker bar on the front pully and hope like hell it turns over. Tires are at least 25 years old...redlines and I figure it'll need the brakes overhauled.

    I grew up with single master cylinders but a conversion would probably be smart. I hadn't thought about the gas tank. I hope it's empty!

    The car comes with that engine stand, a Cherry Picker and a set of go jacks.

    I'm thinking I ***might*** offer 3000.00.

    I HATE basket cases and I'm usually the first one to recommend against buying one. me, the car is from So. California and we don't know what rust is!

    Were the car not a real looker I wouldn't even be thinking this way.

    Thanks is about what I expected and is appreciated.

    I wish it was in Marin County. I have a "buddy" there that I could probably get to go have a look at it! :)
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 18,680
    Hell, I would easily gamble $3k on it. That is definitely assuming the worst.

    If he wants anymore than 4, then I would have to dig further into those details I was talking about. Like i said, my 7 number is really assuming the best.

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  • texasestexases Posts: 6,339
    On one of those Mustangs I'd have to have proof it wasn't rusted/bondo'd over, they're just such rust buckets. But a rust free Mustang is quite valuable, being so rare...;)
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 18,663
    Before committing to it I'll look harder than I did before but I've never seen a So. California one that had rust.

    " Being so rare"...Funny, I can remember when you couldn't drive three blocks without seeing three or four along with three or four VW beetles.
  • texasestexases Posts: 6,339
    Yeah, if it's a SoCal car you'd be safe - is that for sure?
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 18,663
    Well, if it lived it's entire life in SoCal then I would be pretty sure. If they ever rusted, I never saw one even by the ocean where I grew up.

    Do they rust in Texas?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 48,290
    Worst rust areas for those is bottom of the rear fenders of course. I've seen quite a few that have been "clipped" (entire rear end from another car welded on).

    On the plus side a mechanic from 1915 could work on 90% of a 1965 Mustang.

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  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 18,663
    Well, the seller wouldn't come up with a number saying he had no idea what it was worth.

    I told his wife that I was comfortable at 3000.00 so I should know tomorrow. I hate dealing with someone I know. I even suggested that maybe if they advertised it they could get a lot more.

    I only wish I had a huge garage to put it in. As it stands I would have to leave one of our cars outside while the Mustang took up half the garage.

    Yeah, I'll have to dust off my old Fox Valley Dwell Tach and volt ohm meter.

    And somewhere I still have a timing light.

    Funny though we usually just set the points with a feeler gauge and the timing by ear and it worked just fine. If it pinged just retard the timing a bit.

    If they don't bite, it'll be no big deal.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 18,663
    I just don't like Basket Cases and I saw the red flags waving.

    The guy said he would take 4000.00 for it and it is well worth every nickel of that.

    I looked it over more carefully and it is a VERY nice car.

    Not Poppy Red but a non stock Corvette red. Not original but still nice.

    Under the hood looked good and was detailed.

    289 2BBL engine isn't seized and "appears" to have been overhauled at some point.

    C4 Cruisematic trans looks OK but hasn't run since 1990. I would have it gone through.

    Reproduction brand new interior..needs dash pad and has no radio.

    Factory chrome rally Mustang wheels including the spare.

    All of the parts "appear" to be there.

    A great winter project for someone but just not me. Got cold feet.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 38,885
    If it wasn't for cold feet, I'd be dead broke.. ;-)


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  • texasestexases Posts: 6,339
    2bbl V8 - why would they go to all that trouble for the base V8...?? I bet a nice high performance 4 bbl would be worth more, even if non-stock.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 18,663
    Yeah, me too!
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,433
    One reason for the 2-barrel is that back in the day, at least, the 2-barrel 289 was designed to run on regular gas whereas the 4-barrel required premium. Don't know whether that difference exists with today's gasoline.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 18,680
    where is this located again?


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  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 18,663
    They made three different versions of the 289 that year.

    The standard one had a 2 BBL. You could get a 4BBL with I think 225 H.P.

    The hot one was the high performance version with 271 HP. Mated to a four speed, that 271 was no car to mess with. I watched one whip a GTO once.

    The vast majority had the 2BBL and they weren't slouches either!
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 18,663
    The Mustang is in Issaquah WA about 15 miles east of Seattle.

    Me too!
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 18,680
    ah, way too far.

    don't know if that's good or bad. probably good.

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  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 18,663
    A lot of shipping companies will be happy to pick it up along with all of the parts and ship it to you.

    Or you could fly out, haul everything to a shop and in a month or so, you could drive it home!
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 18,680
    i'm left wondering what a shop would charge. I mean, if you had $10k sitting around doing nothing and could just write a check and sell the car in the end for a profit.

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