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Hyundai Azera 2009

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  • tonycdtonycd Posts: 223
    True, Allmet. My answer is based in part on a bit of extrapolation.

    James Mateja, the generally worthless auto writer of the Chicago Tribune, usually regurgitates whole what the manufacturers' flacks tell him. (It takes less effort than actual research does.) Here's what he "reported" as an afterthought tacked onto the end of a Hyundai Genesis "review":

    "Deitz said Genesis will be joined by an '09 Elantra Touring (wagon) in the first quarter of next year, the '10 Genesis coupe in the spring, an new crossover in the fourth quarter of next year, a new more crossover like Tucson for '10, the next-generation Sonata in the second quarter of '10 as an '11 and the next-generation Accent in early '11 as a '12."

    Sounds to me like a comprehensive list of the next couple year's updates. Ain't no Azeras (Azerae?) in there. But you could be right if he left it out just because it's not a major enough revision.
  • budhbudh Posts: 109
    In the Sonata forums, there is talk of getting 2009 Sonatas for $1,500 or even $2,000 below invoice, not even counting the $2,000 cash back rebate.

    Seeing that a 2009 Azera Limited with no option package (including destination) invoice price is

    $26,672 + $725 = $27,397

    is it realistic to get a price near $26,000 or possibly even lower?

    Bud H
  • tonycdtonycd Posts: 223
    In this economy and with these gas prices, here's what I'd do:

    E-mail every dealer nearby that you'd want to deal with. Tell them exactly what you want on the car, and exactly what that $26,000 includes in terms of title, tax, destination charge, whatever -- with the stipulation that the first one to say Yes gets the sale. I'll bet you somebody bites on it.
  • "Is it realistic to get a price near $26,000 or possibly even lower?"

    The answer is YES, budh, as proved by my own shopping experience earlier today. I have been absent from the Sonata/Azera forum for 2 months now, mainly because I wanted to convince my wife to take a test drive with the 2009 Azera Limited. Prior to going to Towne Hyundai (North NJ) I had a telephone conversation with the salesman who confirmed the following terms:
    $2300 off the invoice price
    Add registration and processing fee about $450
    Add 7% NJ sales tax
    Less $1000 rebate

    When my wife and I got there (70 miles one way) we were given the deal as promised over the telephone. We did not buy the car right on the spot not because of price dispute but because the bad test driving experience.

    I let my wife test drive the car because I know this car is good from this forum. However, the car (having only 10 miles and arrived just last Saturday afternoon) suddenly failed to go despite my wife depressed the gas pedal to the floor. This almost caused the car behind hitting our car because the slow down was so sudden. Fortunately she managed to drive back to the dealership with the help of the salesman on the passenger seat. The salesman repeatedly said sorry, saying this was the first such incident in his 19 years as salesman with the last 18 years as the nation's top Hyundai salesman. We were offered another Azera to test drive but my wife declined, saying she was scared to death. There was one other Azera Limited with navigation and blue tooth but in black color and my wife does not like the color.

    The salesman wanted badly to sell us an Azera requesting us to wait for a couple of minutes so that their mechanic could find out what's wrong with the new car. We stayed and stayed until we were so hungry that we had to go to the nearby diner to a late lunch (after 3 p.m.). By the time we finished lunch and were ready to leave the diner there was no call from the salesman. So, I called him as a courtesy before going home. He said he just found out the GROUNDED WIRE (???) on the car was bad and needed to be replaced, and it had to be ordered.

    So, that was our shopping experience on the 2009 Azera. To add salt on the wound, the waitress in the diner asked what were we doing and we said car shopping. "Looking for a Honda?", she asked. I said, "Hyundai". She said: "I drive an Acura TL. Don't buy this cheap car." My wife concurred with a big smile. Did anybody out there have the same/similar experience with a brand new Azera before? I still wanted to buy a 2009 Azera if somehow I can convince my wife this was an isolated incident. But she did give me an earful on the long way home. I need your help urgently to save my badly bruised ego.

    This was a beautiful 2009 Azera Limited in beige color with the following items:
    National base price ($28920)
    Navigation ($3000)
    Blue Tooth ($325)
    Carpet ($100)
    Destination ($725)
    For a total MSRP of $33070

    We could have this car for just a little bit over $30,000 OTD, a saving of more than $5,000 over the MSRP. But it was not to be. What a shame!
  • 101649101649 Posts: 192
    Waitress must be getting some great tips......
  • tonycdtonycd Posts: 223
    Per Consumer Reports, the reliability records of the Azera and the TL are very similar: both slightly above average. Also, the TL has reportedly had an ongoing problem (like its Accord cousin) with a chorus of rattles and squeaks, a problem that doesn't seem to have affected the Azera.

    Not that it'll help you now, but it appears you just were spectacularly unlucky.
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    I currently own an '06 Azera w/Premium Package. After hearing all the complaints about the suspension issues from folks with later '06 models, '07's and '08's...I wanted to see if they corrected the problems with the '09.

    Now I can't speak in terms of down the road some 5K miles, but the intial ride is significantly different from that of my '06 (which never has had any of the suspension issues folks have mentioned). I drove over pot holes and man hole covers to see what type of feedback came through the steering wheel and it was quite different. It's not bad in my car, but it's much more dampened in the '09. At highway speed, I yanked the steering wheel left and right to make the body roll and it seemed to be better controlled compared to my '06 as well.

    Basically, to sum it up...the '09 seems to have more poise over uneven surfaces and body roll is more controlled compared to the '06 I own. I can't speak how it compares to later models as I've never driven an '07 or '08.

    Just my 2 cents.
  • I take comfort in knowing that the reliability index of both the Azera and the Acura TL is similar if not identical, and that even a good car like the Acura TL has its own share of problems. Although I never owned a TL, my ownership experience with 3 Acura RL's (currently still own a 2002 RL) can attest that Acura cars are good.

    Does anybody know the problem of a bad GROUNDED WIRE on a new Azera? Is it a serious problem? According to the salesman any new car could have any kind of mechanical problem at any time, and as long as the car was under warranty we had nothing to worry about. Is this a genuine statement or just a sales push? However, he did concede yesterday's car failure during the test drive never happened before him during his 19 years as Hyundai salesman.
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    Does anybody know the problem of a bad GROUNDED WIRE on a new Azera?

    Haven't heard of this popping up, but it is true any type of failure can happen at any given time. Being told it's covered by warranty isn't a sales pitch...it's the truth. My '06 Azera is 2.5 years old with 57K miles on it and I just had my e-brake cable replaced (snapped) and my passenger seat cushion replaced (faulty airbag sensors)...all under warranty. During the replacement of the seat, the tech scratched my center console, so guess what else is being replaced??? :D After seeing the ticket and looking at the price of that one part ($292), I'm so happy I've got the warranty!!!!
  • budhbudh Posts: 109
    Typically when I buy a new car, I have a radar detector wired directly to one of the fuses in the nearby fuse box. But does the Azera even have a fuse box in the driver area or are all fuses in the engine compartment?

    If so, how do I tell which wire will be powered from the positive battery terminal only when the ignition is ON?

    Also, will a standard GPS fit into the compartment directly above the ashtray? (Two common dimensions for a Garmin GPS are 3.87” x 2.91” x 0.87” and 4.9" x 3.1" x .7".) Where is a good location for keeping your portable GPS?

    Bud H
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    Budh...the fuse box is located on the side of the dash. If you open the driver side front door, there's a panel on the side of the dash. You'll see an opening that you can slide a couple fingers in and pull the panel off.

    Once you see the fuses, they are labled pretty good. Just figure out which components work when the ignition is ON (windows, radio, headlights, seat heaters...).

    A great location for keeping it is in the lower corner of the windshield on the driver's side so you can hide your wires. Of course you've got the more obvious location in the middle of the windshield, but then you'll have wires hanging all in the way.
  • budhbudh Posts: 109
    Thanks for the information!

    Could you give me a few specifics on how you kept the wire out of sight and how and where specifically you connected in for power to your GPS?

    Bud H
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    Bud, I'm not one that has a GPS hooked up in my car, I've only upgraded the sound system, however...you could affix the suction cup base in the lower corner on the driver's side and you could tuck the wire down along the A-Pillar, then slip it in along the dash until you take the wire under the dash. Just one way to do it. Good luck!

    Mike
  • alymacalymac Posts: 31
    Have any of you Azera owners lowered your Azera using either lowering springs or
    coilovers.????
    alymac
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    I posted on this matter before (just not sure which forum it was in). If you go to Car Domain and do a search of Azeras...there's a guy on there with a blue Azera that lowered his using the coilover set up. There's also a couple of other Azeras on there that lowered them using just the lowering springs.
  • budhbudh Posts: 109
    Doing some haggling on a 2009 Limited Azera, preferable with no option packages but might go for the Ultimate Package for the right price.

    A quote I received is

    Limited with no option package: $24,733 (MSRP $29,345)
    Limited with Ultimate package: $26,053 (MSRP $30,845)

    It's not appearing they are going to budge much at all on those numbers.

    What are a few "freebies" I might be able to get them to throw in the deal? I was thinking perhaps an extra pair of keys (that cost close to $100 a piece) would be one possiblity. Oil changes for life? (In my case, I live 100 miles from this dealer.)

    I'm open to any suggestions. What might you get a dealer to throw into the deal for free?

    Bud H
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    Limited w/no options??? It'll definitely hurt you should you decide you want to trade the car in, however...if you are planning on keeping the car till the wheels fall off, maybe you could try to get him to throw in the extended warranty (taking the bumper to bumper up to 10yr/100K miles and the roadside assistance will be 10 yr/unlimited miles). Normally...that costs an extra $1100. Doubt if he'll bite though.

    Is that particular dealer the only one close to you?
  • budhbudh Posts: 109
    Im in northern Indiana and the dealer is near Chicago. Not much for inventory close by. The local dealer has the color combination I want but it has the navigation system which I don't want. The Ulitmate package has little of interest if you are the only one driving the car! It's great if there are two of you that take advantage of the power tilt/telescope, power pedals, and memory.

    Likely, I will have to get the Ulitmate package since getting no package will be so difficult to get, especially in a specific color combination.

    Mudguards are another item I just thought of to have installed. I notice, unlike the Sonata, that they are not even an accessory for the Azera (at least officially).

    Bud H
  • Are floor mats and cargo tray included? Those are nice to have.
    BTW, I am the only driver of my 07 with Ultimate Package and you would be surprised how nice it is to have all the features. The memory is good anytime someone else drives the car (dealer, car wash, etc.) and to reset the mirrors if bumped or folded. The adjustable pedals let you decide how far back to sit from the dash/steering wheel, rain sensing wipers are much better than ordinary intermittent and the list goes on. When I was looking in 07, there were no Limiteds without the Ultimate Package.
  • budhbudh Posts: 109
    A few questions regarding Azera keys......

    1. If I buy a new 2009 Azera, how many keys will I get from the dealer?

    2. If I get the dealer to throw in some extra keys with the sale, how many keys can you get in total and still have all of them work on starting the car? (Hopefully I could get at least four total keys that start the car.)

    3. Can I assume that they could make even more keys that open the doors but would not start the car beyond those in question 2 above?

    Bud H
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    1. If I buy a new 2009 Azera, how many keys will I get from the dealer?

    2. If I get the dealer to throw in some extra keys with the sale, how many keys can you get in total and still have all of them work on starting the car? (Hopefully I could get at least four total keys that start the car.)

    3. Can I assume that they could make even more keys that open the doors but would not start the car beyond those in question 2 above?


    #1) You should get 3 keys and two key fobs. The 3rd key is a valet key.

    #2) Good luck getting a dealer to "throw" in extra keys on the deal.

    #3) No keys can be made to just open the doors and not start the car. If that's what you're interested in, maybe you need to get a coded starter interrupt installed on the car. That way, a code has to be punched in to start the car.

    Good luck!
  • Hi,

    I just bought the 2009 Azera and picked up the mud guards 3 days later as I saw road trash/sand/gravel was going to eat up the side of the car. They were very easy to install on the front, just turn the wheel to get the tire out of the way, the rear guards I had to remove the tires to install.
    Love the car by the way, after 6 weeks, most fun car I've had in over 30 years.

    Take care
  • gamlegedgamleged Posts: 442
    Enjoy! My bought-new 2006 Limited is about to pass 32,000 miles with no needed warranty work whatsoever and yes, the mud-guards are a very good idea, had 'em on before delivery...
  • budhbudh Posts: 109
    Opinions on whether the cargo tray or cargo mat is better in the Azera? They both cost about the same.

    Bud H
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    Bud...to be honest, both would be great to have. I've got the traditional cargo mat in my trunk now, but there have been times that I've carried some things that the cargo tray would have been really nice to have to facilitate clean up.
  • gamlegedgamleged Posts: 442
    In a post on azeraforum.com a new '09 owner states that his rear speaker housing has been left naked in his trunk and that there's visible bare metal (primed) along the top of the back seat (in the trunk) where I have lining. Is this a one-off problem he has, or are all the '09s "economized" in this way?...
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    That was one area I failed to inspect. I assumed that since mine had the covering, that they would still have it. Sorry! :blush:
  • My 07 Azzy Limited came with Cargo Mat. But I went ahead & bought a Cargo Tray. I personally think Cargo Tray is a better option. The reason is that Cargo Tray has 2" raised 'lip' all around which the mat doesn't have. The advantage is that if you spill a liquid in the trunk, the liquid would be sloshing around in the tray area & not touch the walls of the trunk. Then all you do is take out the tray, hose it down & put it back. With just the mat, the bottom of your trunk would be protected but not the walls.

    When I had my old car, I once carried some catered food in the trunk. The gravy spilled from the food container & escaped into the unreachable crevices of the trunk. It smelled takeout food for months as I couldn't clean all of the trunk. The smell used to pervade the cabin & my clothes would smell of Indian food as well!

    Better off with the tray, trust me! And don't carry any food in the trunk if you can't secure it properly!
  • Can you post a picture of what the tray looks like?
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