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Hyundai Azera 2009

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  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    The new in-house 6-speed tranny will debut first on the Azera this January (defn. for the Korean domestic market), and then Santa Fe. Edmunds has a recent article stating the 6spd would eventually spread to 16 different models (which I am guessing including Kias as well - ie Sorento).
  • tonycdtonycd Posts: 223
    Boy, buying cars is getting to be like buying computers: If you can wait longer, you'll always get more.
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    Hyundai Azera will get new 6-speed transmission

    Kathy Jackson
    Automotive News
    January 9, 2009 - 3:59 pm ET

    LOS ANGELES -- The Hyundai Azera sedan will be the first U.S. vehicle to get the new six-speed automatic transmission developed by Hyundai Motor Co.

    The transmission, the first six-speed developed in-house by Hyundai, will be in Azeras with 3.3-liter V-6 engines. The Azera also is available with a 3.8-liter V-6.

    Hyundai says the transmission will enable the Azera to get about 20 mpg city/29 highway, compared with 18/26 on the 2009 Azera with a five-speed automatic. The company also says the six-speed enables the Azera to go from 0-60 in 7.8 seconds, compared with 8.0 seconds with the five-speed.

    Hyundai is building the transmission in Korea and will start putting it in the Azera this month. It has not priced the Azera with the six-speed transmission. The 2009 Azera with the five-speed retails for $25,695, including shipping.

    The redesigned Santa Fe SUV, scheduled to arrive in late 2009 or early 2010, also will get the new transmission.
  • tonycdtonycd Posts: 223
    Thanks as always for the scoops, Joe.

    Very interesting. Addresses one of the foremost complaints about the Azera.

    Next question is, will the Limited still be unavailable with the 3.3? This will mean a lot less if it's only available with the slow-selling stripper model (even though it isn't really very stripped).
  • cobrazeracobrazera Posts: 352
    Next question is, will the Limited still be unavailable with the 3.3? Good question.
    We could be seeing the beginning of reducing engine displacements for better fuel economy. With lots of manufacturers going to direct injection, they're able to get comparable HP from smaller engines. Couple that with the limits imposed by torque steer in FWD applications, and we could see displacements dropping.
    I just saw the a write up on the new Buick LaCrosse, a car I previously would not have given a second glance at. The car is gorgeous and comes with a direct injection 3.0 ( I would estimate close to 250HP ) as well as the regular 3.6 liter.
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    Actually Cobrazera...I'm wondering with Hyundai bring a diesel engine option to the Veracruz, will a diesel engine trickle down to the sedans. It would seem the move to make with Volkswagen doing it as well as BMW releasing diesel sedans now as well. Personally, I think it would be a better option than going with smaller displacement, direct-injection engines.
  • cobrazeracobrazera Posts: 352
    A good point, but diesels are going to cost more due to their turbochargers, expensive catalysts, etc., and weigh more due to the cast iron required to withstand the combustion pressures.
    So long as diesel fuel is not much more expensive than gas right now ( probably due largely to decreased demand by commercial trucking ) it would still be a viable option. Problem is, when the economy takes off and demand for diesel fuel increases, look for the price to be way more than gas again - like it was last spring and summer.
    According to a C&D editorial that I read a while back, our country lacks sufficient refinery capacity for diesel fuel. Over 60% of U.S. refinery output is gasoline, and that ratio can not change in favor of diesel without building new refineries ( BTW, Europe refineries produce over 60% diesel fuel ). Spending billions on new construction is something the major oil companies are reluctant to do - especially considering that overall fuel economy continues to improve and demand will drop. If capacity stays tight, prices stay high, and they make more profit - hence no incentive to invest the money.
    As far as fuel economy goes, the new Ford Fusion Hybrid has raised the bar with what gasoline power in a midsize sedan can do.
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    How much more? I would think the price would be offset with the savings in fuel. Look at the Jetta TDI...when compared to the regular gas burning 2.0 T's...price increase of maybe $1500-2500 and you jump at least 10 mpg better. Depending on the amount of driving you do, that price difference can quickly be offset in fuel savings.
  • cobrazeracobrazera Posts: 352
    At 15K miles per year, with the Jetta gas motor getting 25MPG and the diesel getting 35MPG, annual fuel costs are exactly the same with gas at $2.50/gal and diesel at $3.50/gal. Cost for comparable models ( SE and TDI ) shows the TDI to be $3000 more in initial cost, offset somewhat by tax credits on the diesel .
    Even assuming maintenance to be the same ( IMO, the diesel would cost more ), the diesel is still not a moneysaving proposition unless you're getting your fuel at McDonalds and Waffle house.
    I rented a diesel Ryder truck to move my mother's household goods from Fla to Michigan a couple years ago and lived with the pluses and minuses of a diesel. It pulled hard up the mountains without a downshift, but refill time was spent with the stinky semis with oily and smelly hands. IMO, hybrid is a better way to go, at least here in the U.S.
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    You know...IF that were the case, I would agree completely, but in my area...regular gas is $1.76/gal. and diesel is $2.49/gal. So, yes...there would be some savings, but it would take a little longer to recoup the price difference. Using the diesel moving truck as an example is really bad. I say that because most gas staions in the DC Metro area have diesel pumps nestled between the regular gas pumps, so you would be filling up amongst regular cars. You mention the iron used as the metal that can withstand the combustion, that's offset by the huge increase in torque most diesel engines offer...it can easily pull that extra weight around and now they are making them with more horespower and turbo-charging them for more ooomph. I actually like the way the diesel engines are evolving.

    Hybrids...really are a joke unless you drive into the city on a daily basis. People kill me when they go out to buy a hybrid only to drive it to the metro station or use for weekend running and it's mostly highwy miles. You do not begin to tap into a hybrid's full capability until you are driving it in stop and go traffic. If you go an compare a non-hybrid model to it's hybrid mate...the highway mileage is pretty much the same, the big difference is the city mileage.
  • Hello forum members,

    I am new to Hyundai, the Azera, and the forum. After finding your forum, I have a question for you. My 09 Azera has a suspension noise (clunking noise) when going over bumps at city driving speeds. Is this normal noise or am I experiencing the dreaded clink some of the earlier models had?
    At highway speeds the car handles well and is sooooooo quiet. That is why we bought it.
    Thanks,
    Bud
  • Hi Snaglepus - Thanks for the information - I am going to rush home to check my "born on" date. I bought my car in July 2008 and I think it rides OK - but since I drove a 1999 - 5 speed - Hyundai Tiburon (which I love) for the past 9 years - I'm not used to a "luxury" car - so I might not know the difference. My question is - if people are having "suspension" issues - since the car is under warranty couldn't they just take the car back and have it fixed by the dealer?
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,916
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  • tonycdtonycd Posts: 223
    Hi Bud.

    Opinions on the suspension issue are not unanimous. Here's the best summary I can offer, along with a bit of advice: Don't assume the most vociferous opinions are necessarily the consensus on what's right for your car.

    http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f0f43c4/1133
  • lovlandlovland Posts: 1
    Hello guys...about a week ago some ********scratched my black Azera 2009 with something sharp and left a very unpleasent mark on my car ,i wanted to ask if its possible to buy the original black color for this car or sth of high quality that is made for Azera 2009 Black..can you guys do me a favor and introduce me an online market where i can get the original color for my car to be able to fix the scratches.btw theye are Hyundai dealers here who would do the job ..but i dont trust their work,so i wanted to find the and buy a pack of original color for my car to fix it myself....Any help would be appriciated.
  • wobbly_earswobbly_ears Posts: 160
    You can buy touch-up paint tubes from either your local Hyundai dealer's part department or try some online merchant like
    http://www.hyundaiaccessorystore.com/

    I don't know how extensive the damage is. But seldom can you fix it by yourself & almost all the time they stand out like a sore thumb. I would seriously urge you to go to a professional body shop & get them to do it.

    You don't need to go to a Hyundai dealer to fix it. Look for a reputed body shop. My advice is to find the body shop of your local luxury dealer such as Lexus, BMW, MB, Porsche etc. They usually have the latest & greatest equipment & usually are better trained than your local Hyundai dealer's bodyshop people. Get a quote from multiple good body shops, look at their reviews & then choose a shop.

    If the quotes aren't too expensive, you can pay for it yourself. If it turns out to be expensive, you can ask your insurance to cover it.

    I would seriously urge you not to try to do it yourself. It never ever turns out well & you might do more damage than good.

    Good luck!
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    Here's another link you can try as well...

    Brandsport: Touch Up Paint
  • bmb1767bmb1767 Posts: 64
    Just ordered a new iTouch. Am I getting my hopes up too high that it will work with the bluetooth in my Azera?
  • ratledgeratledge Charleston county, South CarolinaPosts: 233
    Anybody seen the 2011 Azera yet? I haven't heard much (if anything) about it, but here's a pix: image
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    SWEET!!! Maybe I was wrong about them not continuing the Azera in 2011!!!
  • With the new Sonata offering 4 cylinder only ( up to about 200HP ), it looks as if those desiring V6 power in FWD have only one option from Hyundai - the Azera.
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    Wow...I wasn't aware that the Sonata wouldn't be offering a V-6 any more. That's pretty crazy considering it's the direct competition against the Camry & Accord. I guess that's their way of justifying keeping the Azera (which I'm not mad about at all).
  • alymacalymac Posts: 31
    Allmet,
    Hyundai , in my opinion, doesnt have a clue of what there doing. Im now living in the
    interior of Canada...the salesman at the Hyundai dealership said that the Sonata 4 cyclinder will not sell in this area due to the small motor. The Azera ,which I own, is
    being discontinued in Canada as of 2009 .Now the Equus in the States to sell for
    $75000.00..again nuts! Who would buy aHyundai for that price. Not I. Also being said that a smaller Genesis might be in the offering????????????
    This company is becoming another GM...throw as many cars out there an hope someone buys one.....................et at Detroit a 2012 Azera...go fiqure!
    Alymac
  • fushigifushigi Posts: 1,251
    2.4L is the same size 4 in the outgoing Sonata and the current CR-V & Accord. It's 0.1L smaller than the Forester & Camry I4s but 0.1L larger than Mazda.

    I suggest going to a dealer where the sales staff have a clue or don't have an agenda.
  • I read yesterday that a V6 and/or a turbo 4 could come at a later date. IMO, a modern turbo 4 with DI could produce an easy 250 HP - the turbo 4 in the Chevy HHR is a 2.0 liter with 260HP.
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    edited February 2010
    All due respect, pricing the Equus at $75k or even close would price them out of the market they are hoping to take a bite out of. The Lexus LS460, which the Equus is taking direct aim at, starts out around the low-mid $60K's. My thinking is with the Genesis topping out around $40K, the Equus would probably start in the upper $40K's, fully loaded...top out around $60K.

    2011 Equus Review

    Now...the initial Equus is going to have a tweaked version of the 4.6 V-8 that's in the Genesis. Word has it that Hyundai is cooking up a 5.0 V-8 (pushing over 400 hp) to go in in a high-line version (long wheel base) of the Equus at a later date:

    Equus LWB with 5.0 V-8

    Even if Hyundai's taking the GM approach, at least they are producing cars the folks WANT to own because of the value and now...they are looking really, really nice!!! :shades:
  • dcrobbie22041dcrobbie22041 Posts: 15
    edited February 2010
    If the rumors are true about positioning their models and brands upmarket are true, keeping the Sonata to a 4 cylinder and Azera to a 6 cylinder makes absolute sense. They could offer the Sonata and Azera in both basic and limited trims, make the Genesis their 8 cylinder car (again in both basic and limited trims), and then the Equus would be their ultra-luxury and big-engine offering.

    Hyundai definitely has a huge opportunity with Toyota in the hot seat; don't think they won't take advantage of it. Hyundai is doing something right considering they are the only car maker that didn't take an actual decline in sales here in the US in the worst of the recession. Plus, as an owner of 3 Hyundais so far, my 2008 Azera is the best thing I've ever driven. My senior dad (though still working as a CFO in retirement from Gov't) is going to get a Genesis in November after his 3rd in last 10 years Cadillac lease expires because he loves my Azera so much and was gaga over the Genesis when we test drove one while waiting for routine oil change and tire rotation on my Azera a few months ago. Mom is on board also.

    If my Dad is ready to throw Cadillac under the bus, even with the sweet deals they are already offering him to get another one, what does this say about their image nowadays? WOW!
  • podpod Posts: 176
    I read a lot in car forums and do not believe that any such forum has shown the civility and friendliness that permeates this forum. I am recently attracted by the Azera. Perhaps the car attracts pragmatic, straightforward types. Whatever the reason, my compliments to the posters and host.
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