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Ford Explorer Mercury Mountaineer 2005 and earlier

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  • zman3zman3 Posts: 857
    Just curious.

    I was quoted a Ford Red Carpet Lease, 3 year term. Residual was 49% and interest rate was 3.5%. Who quoted your terms?

    I agree that the depreciation is a bit steep, but you can't beat the interest portion of the payment. It makes the Explorer look unbeatbale for the price. I can get a fairly loaded XLT for roughly $450/month. Not bad in my opinion.
  • shaker58shaker58 Posts: 120
    carman on the lease board said it was a very good lease I also priced out a v6 xlt it was 440 with tax this is 484 plus tax and is a v8 and fully loaded
  • hungry2hungry2 Posts: 11
    I was also quoted interest at .75 and 46% residual, this is on a mountaineer, perhaps the explorer is different. I am in NJ, it may vary state to state.

    I am getting the mountaineer because I like the looks and it has a few more standard features. I should have shopped the explorer but since I am turning in a mountaineer I am getting a couple loyalty rebates, also, with vacations and sports and having to turn in the vehicle, we didn't have alot of time to spend shopping around. When I got the last mountaineer it came out to be a better price than the explorer because more stuff was standard that I would have had to add to the explorer. I am getting it for $423 for 36 months,(0 down, I pay 611 for 1st month and DMV fees) not tons of options, but it doesn't need much because the cd and 3rd seat and awd are standard. The dash looks pretty cool too!I had no trouble with my 98, but I am a little afraid of getting this one it in its first year of redesign.
  • shaker58shaker58 Posts: 120
    is that with tax
  • shaker58shaker58 Posts: 120
    will my kids be sweating in the back if we go for the sunroof instead of the aux air

    will you be able to gey both in near future????
  • hungry2hungry2 Posts: 11
    I think the 423is with tax, but since I am returning a mountaineer lease I get all these rebates(red carpet renewal, some other red carpet and a mercury owner loyalty). We sign tomorrow so I hope those rebates really materialize. A dealer I called in PA didn't know baout ANY rebates yet I know there is definitely a red carpet lease rebate (don't know if its for new or returning, I think maybe both)

    I forgot to mention that I am getting a sunroof and we also had a sunroof in our old one and no aux. air (was it offered then?). My kids lived but there was no 3rd seat then so they were closed to the front. I don't think it is so large inside that you need aux air. My van needs lots of air vents but the rear windows don't open and it is really much larger area inside to cool than the truck.
  • shaker58shaker58 Posts: 120
    your deal looks like you got all 3 rebates as long taxes are included in payment (AWESOME DEAL) my price is 484 no rebates plus taxes so around 520 if you bought a truck sim to mine it would be around 450-460 good luck with your new truck
    36/1750 is almost a 50 savings per mth
  • fastbuckfastbuck Posts: 11
    so far (two months and 1500 miles) we're very pleased with our 2002 4wd v-6. the best feature by far is the third row, which has eliminated sibling seating squabbles. ride and handling are leagues better than the '94 4wd pathfinder we traded in.

    mileage, on the other hand, is far worse than others in this forum have been reporting. with 50/50 city/highway driving, i've barely hit 15 mpg on a couple of refills, and mostly gotten in the 13-14 range. kind of surprising for a 21st century vehicle. by contrast, the windstar we rented on a recent vacation delivered 25 mpg in the mountains with the a/c blasting and a full load of passsengers and luggage.

    lastly, let me be the second to register the opinion that i prefer the straightforward look of the explorer to that of the mountaineer. and i'm also sort of perplexed at the opinions regularly offered here that the interior is "cheap" or unattractive. i like it, and think it fits the vehicle's personality. my other car is a 2001 bmw 5 series, so i'm familiar with what a top quality interior can be. i just think the inside of the explorer looks and feels right for an suv.
  • njdevilsrnnjdevilsrn Posts: 185
    I too, find it hard to believe that many of the 2002 owners have been getting mileage in the 23-25 mpg range. I have owned a '97, '99, and 2000 Explorer. The two older ones had the SOHC engine, I think the best tank of gas I had was in the '97, and it was about 18 mpg on a road trip where I filled up, got on the highway for almost 200 miles, and refilled later that day.

    As far as the 2000, it has the OHV, and I think I got about 18.5 on a similar trip.

    I just don't see how a vehicle which is bigger and weighs 300 pounds more (2002 models) can get 5 mpg more than my best.
  • Our '02 2WD with V8 and tow pack got exactly 16 on the last tank. This was strictly to work and back driving, although some of that is freeway. It has 2K miles on it, so I'm thinking it might get just a little better following break in. I'm guessing here, but I suspect the best it would do is maybe 20 MPG on the highway.
  • mrankellmrankell Posts: 21
    I love the rear a/c unit. I leave it on low most of the time. It not only cools the back, it helps cool the front quicker especially since I have a black 2002 mountaineer.

    mrankell
  • merrod828merrod828 Posts: 6
    Has anyone out there bought a mountaineer in Florida? If so, what price did you pay and where? Thanks.
  • a36a36 Posts: 10
    My 2002 Explorer XLT (2WD) was assembled in mid April and purchased in mid May (6,600+ onsecutive unit no.). The biggest, and so far, only problem was the dealer losing one of the computer chip keys and the car's computer refusing to be reprogrammed or to reprogram the new key. It took 5 working days (I was given a loaner car) and two
    new computers to finally overcome this little oversight.

    I have driven it from TX to UT in two 11.5 hour days on the road. Compared to my '93 it is a vast improvement. 20+ mpg at the 70 to 75 mph legal speed limits in CO & WY with 2 aboard and 400 to 500 lbs. in the back. The car is little effected by cross winds or from 18 wheeler wakes
    - you pass an 18 wheeler at 75 mph with virtually
    no steering correction. Moving the wheels closer to the corners provides far more left leg room than in the '93. At 6'2" I can extend my both legs straight out, eliminating knee cramps that I get in other cars after about 5 hours. Unlike the '93, the cruise control has enough throttle
    authority so that it will maintain 75 mph across the rolling high plains of WY without manually adding throttle. A great fatigue fighter in a long days drive.

    It does not require much of a grade at 70 or 75 to make the transmission downshift two gears, so there is a lot more shifting than with the 4 speed in the '93. The rear floor is not flat with the 3rd seat folded, and items do tend
    to work their way rearward after a bit. No problem for me as I believe in tying down luggage anyway, and there are anchors in the rear of the cargo area and between the 2nd and 3rd row of seats. The 2nd row (lower) seat frames can
    also be used to hook tie down straps. The lower sill, and the remote unlock feature of the rear hatch window makes opening the entire rear hatch a rare event.

    I have only recently experienced what one person described with the auto. trans. doing something strange during a 2-3 or 3-4 shift (torque converter lockup/unlock?). My mother had an '88 Ford that would do the same kind of thing on occasion.

    The looks suit me (there is no explaining men's tastes in cars, airplanes or women!) and the power, ride, quiet and handling are all much improved over the '93. When I drive it I'm reminded of the old timers describing the difference between a Model T Ford and a Model A Ford - "Henry made a lady out of Lizzie!" Ford
    definitely gentrified the 2002 Explorer.
  • sj6sj6 Posts: 13
    Hello, I posted earlier with a low frequency vib./resonance at speeds above 58 mph. The dealer was told by Ford to replace the driveshaft and differential assembly, which includes the halfshafts but not CV joints. Known good tires were swapped as well.

    Well....the problem persists, leaving the CV joints or something in the transmission. Anyone else have something similar?

    Also, mine has the rough 2-3 shift, and the fuel pump cavitation problem (this is a new TSB). If your Explorer V6 hestitates from a standing start, check out the TSB. Mine managed to do it at a busy intersection...felt like it was stuck in 4th gear from the lack of movement. The other time it happened I was attempting to back out of my driveway and it barely made it up the very small grade.

    Vehicle back in the shop today with 2100 miles on it. Anyone had any luck getting Ford to take a vehicle back before the Lemon Law proceedings?

    Thanks
  • rcinscrcinsc Posts: 2
    I'm trying to decide whether to buy a new or used Explorer 4WD XLT with options such as moonroof, leather and 6CD. I'm going to buy, not lease - I usually keep my cars 5-10 years. I've test driven both 2000 and 2002 models. After reading all of the posts on the 2002, it seems many of you are waiting for the 'kinks' to be worked out or late features added.

    Do you current 2000 owners think it's worth spending the extra $10-12K to buy the new Explorer? And 2002 owners, is there that big of a difference with the car-like ride? Is it worth it?

    Lastly - do you have recommendations for good Ford dealers in the Bay Area? I live in Santa Cruz.

    Thanks for any advice - and thanks for all the previous posts - this board has been so helpful to my research!
  • txredtxred Posts: 3
    Just discovered this great site. Currently drive 97 Mountaineer and seriously considering the 2002 v6. Drove one all weekend and loved it! But: Does it bother anybody that you can't have the 6CD changer AND a cassette? I listen to audio books with my long commute. I have both now and hate having to give one up for a car that costs a lot more. Has anyone found a way to add a changer to the standard stereo option ? is it a good addition or obviously a stick on?

    also I discovered the digitial message center, and nearly ran off the road when it said 11.8 MPG! It's brand new and dealer says it will get right MPG after break in period. Is that readout REALLY supposed to be indicating my actual MPG, or does it vary greatly depending upon what I'm doing, sitting at stop sign, freeway driving etc.? These are all new features so I'm kinda naive about them. Many thanks for your help.

    PS - the other vehicle I'm considering is the Toyota 4runner, but it just doesn't make me feel special like the Mountaineer......
  • pnewbypnewby Posts: 277
    I also use audio books on long trips, and was upset at the cassette player loss. Books on CD are showing up everywhere now though. I purchased the 1st one I listened to, then saw several at Cracker Barrel. My wife just checked a couple out at our local library(Lexington, Ky), so look for them there. At the library they are free, at Crack. Bar. you purchase the book, then return it to any store in the chain. They refund the purchase price, minus $3.00 per week that you keep it.
  • txredtxred Posts: 3
    Thanks for sharing, so you went with the CD changer, rather than the single CD and cassette?
    I just returned from deciding on the Mountaineer, and I've ordered one with the standard CD/cassette radio. Guess I should have researched the CD availability of audio books before I made my decision. Thanks.
  • rcinscrcinsc Posts: 2
    Have any of you had problems with the new tires?
    I just rec'd this email from safetyalerts.com

    SafetyAlerts
    August 1, 2001
    2002 Ford Explorer and Mercury Mountaineer Recalled
    Detroit, MI (SafetyAlerts) - The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has published a recall affecting certain 2002 Ford Explorer and Mercury Mountaineer automobiles manufactured between August 2000 and April 2001.

    On certain sport utility vehicles, the right side tires may have horizontal cuts on the edge of the tread that could have occurred during vehicle assembly. Over time, the tire could fail, increasing the risk of a crash.

    52,000 vehicles are affected by this recall.

    Dealers will inspect the tires and, if any slices are found, the cut tires will be replaced.

    The manufacturer has reported that owner notification began on June 7, 2001. Owners who do not receive the free remedy within a reasonable time should contact Ford at 1-800-392-3673.

    [NHTSA Recall No. 01V171/Ford Recall No. 01S18]
  • sj6sj6 Posts: 13
    Ford flat out quit. Ford people and various civilians (even a half-deaf guy)can hear the noise. Ford people have decided NOT to fix it, this after having already replaced tires, driveshaft, differential, to no avail. I was advised to contact Customer Care. Customer Care person was very nice and is going to inititiate their procedures.

    In the mean time I have ordered some non-complimentary magnetic signs. As I live on a heavily travelled road, it will be good advertising. My work parking lot also faces a 4 lane highway and will also be a good advertising spot.

    Beware of hard to diagnose problems, you may get stuck. I will guarantee that no Ford engineer would drive it in it's current state. Of course, they don't have to. Promising vehicle, marred by stupid customer care decisions.
  • sj6,

    I'm sorry to hear of your problems. We have an 02 XLT, and so far are very pleased with it. It also seems you're posting your frustrations, maybe. After all, it seems they have replaced numerous items, but still haven't isolated the problem. But give them credit, at least they have tried. And you say Quality Care has been nice, and it appears, receptive. So please don't totally bash the Ford company...it appears to me they are trying to solve your problems, so at least give them credit for that.
  • njdevilsrnnjdevilsrn Posts: 185
    Why wouldn't you touch a 2000 old-style crappy Mountaineer or Explorer with a 10 foot pole?

    Too busy getting your tranny re-programmed?

    Or wait, I know, you're getting your shattered rear hatch replaced?

    Oh, now I got it, yeah, you're busy changing out your right front tire that blew because it got cut on the assembly line.

    Come on. Own a truck more than a month or two before you go passing judgement on America's best selling SUV over the past decade.

    PS...If the old one's are so bad, why did you buy a first year production which was bound to have "growing pains"?
  • "will my kids be sweating in the back if we go for the sunroof instead of the aux air will you be able to gey both in near future???? "

    I bet you will be able to get both. When the Expedition first came out it was the same way, either, but now you can get both in it. I bet the Explorer will be the same way. I would go for the rear air. Never feel I get my moneys worth out of the sunroof.
  • blucy2blucy2 Posts: 7
    to RCINSC- message 287
    I just traded in my 2000 Explorer for the 2002 Eddie Bauer. I had my last 88 Aerostar 11 years when I got first Explorer. I like to keep my cars a long time. I like the 2000 Explorer, but didn't love it. It never did feel quite right. The stiff ride was ok at first, but after a year I kept thinking "what will this be like in 5 or 6 years?" will I be able to deal with a rought ride., etc. I read about the new 2002 and changes because of the independent suspension, so I went and drove it for the heck on it. I can't even believe it is the same car. I have had my new one about 6 weeks now and I LOVE IT. I can definately see keeping this car for 10 years. As far as dealers, I go to Wilson Cornelius in Vallejo and deal with Vince, the Manager. I get great service and he was very helpful in helping me "trade up". I had bought my Aerostar from in in 88 and he had even joked that people like me put him out of business, but was still extremely helpful. Good luck, believe me the 2002 is worth the extra $$ if you plan on keeping car for a long time.
  • mrankellmrankell Posts: 21
    I am still having troubles with harsh shifting. Can anyone let me know where I can find the TSB fix for this transmission problem.

    m rankell
  • Why weren't the new model Explorers and Mountaineers tested?? http://www.highwaysafety.org/vehicle_ratings/low_speed_midsuv.htm


    Anyone know how much the structure/safety cage of the redesigned 2002 Mountaineer has changed from the old (2001 and earlier) model?

  • tractiontraction Posts: 141
    Consumers Reports just selected the 2002 Explorer as best in a head-to-head test with 5 other SUVs.

    The 2002 Explorer beat the Nissan Pathfinder, Toyota 4Runner SR5, GMC Envoy SLE, Dodge Durango SLT, and Jeep Grand Cherokee.

    The article is in the September issue.
  • epauerepauer Posts: 4
    I recently looked at the 2002 Mountaineer at a local dealer. Most of these SUVs had the Homelink, but not the power adjustable pedals (with or without memory) (with convenience group option) or the telescoping steering wheel. All of these features have been listed as late availability, but Homelink is the only one to appear, at least in my area (New Hampshire).

    There was also some rumors about stability control being available for the 2002 Mountaineer, like the ESP in the Mercedes Benz ML320.

    Anyone have more information on these (when, if, etc.)?

    Thanks,
    Eric
  • a36a36 Posts: 10
    I have just used the 3rd row seat of my 2002 Explorer with a childs car seat. I was unable to
    secure the seat in the manner that it was designed to be used.

    The problem is that the outboard seat belt anchor
    is about 6" or 8" forward of the aft most part of
    the lower seat cushion - where it meets the seat
    back. As a result there was no way to pull the
    seat securely back into the seat. No matter how
    hard I tried the bottom of the seat would move
    6" to 8" forward with very little effort. Finally just ran the belt and shoulder harness
    beneath the seat padding and that solved the
    problem. The rear anchors for the top of the car
    seat is a real enhancement.

    Also with the 3rd row seat in use there is very
    little storage space for luggage. At most two
    rolling carry-ons will fit there, and only if the
    child seat top anchor straps are not in use. We
    ended up with one roll-on suitcase in the middle
    seat of the 2nd row and one in the extreme back.
    This would be a definite consideration for those
    who would be traveling with 6 or so people and
    their luggage. (The vehicle would probably be
    over gross weight anyway if you added luggage.)

    After reading about the shattering rear window
    hatch, I have been very careful to only pull it
    closed by the "U" shaped latch in the middle of
    the glass. Maybe pulling it closed from one end
    could be causing the breakage problems. If you
    pull it down by the latch to within about 10" of
    closed and release it, it will then close and latch on it's own.
  • a36,

    I agree with your discovery, although I'm not in a situation where I care. We only have one son, and he's 10. We ordered the 3rd seat knowing it was only going to be used occasionally. If a person is planning on hauling more than two or three kids around consistently, and especially on long trips, the Exploder is not the right vehicle. A mini-van or larger SUV would make more sense. IMO, the 3rd seat in the Exploder is a very convenient option which could be used on occasion, but not as an everyday seven person seat. However, with the standard roof rack and an optional carrier, I could see it used as an all-around family SUV.

    As for the rear glass...told my wife from the start she needed to treat it gingerly. After looking at the design and hearing of the thing shattering, I can see how it could easily shatter under stress. I mean after all, it's just one huge piece of thin glass which encounters a tremendous amount of stress from various points. I've encouraged my wife to use the opening rear hatch as often as possible.
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