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Ford Explorer Mercury Mountaineer 2005 and earlier

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  • fleetwoodsimcafleetwoodsimca Posts: 1,518
    The problem with the "silly" GM program is that they achieve an obligatory position on the buyer at the subconscious level. A very large number of people are going to buy, due to that. If you take it home over night, you have basically already bought the vehicle.
  • fleetwoodsimcafleetwoodsimca Posts: 1,518
    A lot of marriages start this way, too. >:o]
  • navigator3740navigator3740 Posts: 279
    swschrad: My 97 & 98 didn't thump, and they had sunroofs, and your 2000 is the same. They didn't have the problem. My 2002 does, as does my new Navigator. It's a new problem..... There has to be a way to engineer it out. But honestly, I just crack the rear power vent windows, and the problem goes away, it's not the end of my happy day.....
  • geoffdgtigeoffdgti Posts: 83
    I recently purchased a 2003 mountaineer luxury SUV with a moon roof. My 5 yr old daughter rides in the middle seat and loves to roll down "her window".

    Crack one of the rear windows and the problem goes away.
  • swschradswschrad Posts: 2,171
    used to be, way back when men were men and the 60s were in full swing, if the dealer knew you, you could take just about anything home overnight and see how it fit. yes, you had to sign a rental contract, but there wasn't the "buy it, if you don't like it, return it in 3 days or 100 miles and we take it back" issue. I am advised there are even some dealers who won't kill a contract and take a car back even if you die and fall out of the door in the "new owners suite" transfer room.

    even if it's just a sales leader, it's a good idea if somebody is making a radical change of vehicle, say from pickup to BMW, or from an old econobox to a Navigator.
  • fleetwoodsimcafleetwoodsimca Posts: 1,518
    Just try and return it the second day! See where that gets yuh! Ha! »:o[
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    What a great segway to my (off the main topic) story! Way back in the 90's, swschrad, I bought a used Continental, my first venture into the Lincoln/Mercury world from a local dealer. 3 days later, it wouldn't start in my garage. The next morning, I took it back and asked for my old car back, expecting to get laughed out of the showroom. To my amazement, the owner of the dealership said ok! I drove out of there with my old car, all detailed and serviced, and a check for my money back!!! I was so grateful, that 3 months later, I went back and bought a NEW Continental, and have bought cars from him ever since, for business and personal use. He's dead now, and so this throwback dealership to the 60's may die too. But for now, they still treat me like their best customer. It's a great feeling. If other dealers and car companies only realized, that giving me my money back with no hassle one time, sold me 9 new cars since then, and brought them countless sales from my referrals. It was the best check he ever wrote.
  • swschradswschrad Posts: 2,171
    the best gimmick in the world... because it isn't one ;)

    I sure remember about every time I got plucked as a sucker... but I try and make a point of remembering who takes care of me as a customer, too.

    I have heard many stories about the Lincoln dealer taking the extra step. it's like an old college friend said once, in the 70s: olds had the best price/luxury point in GM. you got your best service if the dealer was an olds/caddy dealer, and the worst if he was olds/chevy.

    another way to say it: the seller of luxury goods has to insure customer satisfaction, because he has to live on selling fewer items for higher cost. I got a great repair on an old base Rolex and have had some scuzzy ones on lesser mechanical watches because of the Expectation Of The Customer factor as believed by everybody at the store.
  • fleetwoodsimcafleetwoodsimca Posts: 1,518
    I buy watches that keep "perfect" time and cost me so little that I rarely bother to buy a new battery-- I replace the watch. These surely are not objects of desire for status seekers! They just keep the time, and mine also double as calculators, as well.
    Now, my Mountaineer? That's another story. (:o]
  • swschradswschrad Posts: 2,171
    a stopped clock is accurate twice a day, all others continually get worse and worse.

    I don't like replacing the dinky little batteries because I have to remove the microscopic little clip screws to do it, and being cursed with bifocals, it's a fun time for all.... not. plus, manuals have that certain charm and savoir-faire that says as you go by, "throwback. fogey. don't talk to HIM about The Matrix!"

    and at times, that's very nice :0
  • brast69brast69 Posts: 17
    I purchased a 2003...Same noice, All I do is crack the moonroof, crack the front windows and open the front vents, seems like alot to do for a noise but it seems to work
  • brast69brast69 Posts: 17
    Has anyone taken the 03 Mountaineer on the beach yet, how is it on the beach as opposed to a true 4 by 4. A friend of mine told me ALL WHEEL DRIVE is not good on the beach and I will get stuck.Is this true?
  • heintz1heintz1 Posts: 52
    I haven't had my 2002, V8, 4WD XLT on any beach yet, but at any rate, my hunch is that if one ever needs serious low-end "crawler" or "gut-pulling" 4WD torque, the AWD version might not be the best choice. At any rate, if you get into deep, dry sand, you'll likely need to let lots of air out of the tires in order to proceed, and once you're out, you'll need an air compressor (or similar) to re-inflate the tires in order to drive on hard roads again.
  • fleetwoodsimcafleetwoodsimca Posts: 1,518
    Beaches and sandy creek bottoms eat 4WD vehicles for lunch. Been there and done that from Arizona to Alaska-- Never in a Mountaineer or Explorer, though. Be careful to never back up in your own tracks, and don't get impatient if you start churning and moving slowly. It would be smart to buy a winch! >:o]
  • 1badsidekick1badsidekick Posts: 135
    Hi all, you may remember me from posting in the past. I'm finally able to afford a new vehicle, and I've picked out an orange '99 Explorer XLS. I'm not sure which 4.0 engine it is, the SOHC or the other...but it has 31,700 miles, a/t, power windows, locks, mirrors, cd player, cruise, tilt, fog lights, step bars, tow package, and tinted windows. They have it priced $13,900, and told me they would trade me out of my '98 Sidekick Sport for $8500. A new kick was added tonight, when my father offered to add my mom's current car, a '93 Bonneville SSEi to trade in as well. I'm looking to probably end up with a difference of $4,000-$5,000. I checked the car over, and the only thing I found wrong was the cruise control unit on the right side of the wheel (resume, set/accel, coast) was loose from the wheel, but would be fixed. Do you think this is a good deal? Any tips, anything I should look for in particular? I did notice vibration when I accelerated coming through the floor and pedal. Is that common? Any advice is appreciated. Thanks!
  • fleetwoodsimcafleetwoodsimca Posts: 1,518
    I don't recall orange being a stock color, and I wonder if this vehicle has been repainted. If it has, then why? Was it wrecked and repaired? The 4 liter 6 cylinder Ford engines I have owned have run very smoothly. Notable vibration upon acceleration would make me very uneasy about an Explorer. Perhaps this vehicle has been run quite hard. I would not want to face the repair of the cruise control. You might want to be VERY careful-- Why not look some more?
  • 1badsidekick1badsidekick Posts: 135
    It's actually a reddish orange sort of color, and I've seen several in this color. I'm going to inquite about the vibration, but the car only has 31,700 miles on it, but they could have been hard miles. The dealer will fix the cruise control with no problem, so they said. Loose or not, it does work with no problems. I found a better price on it, they had the same vehicle listed on autotrader.com for "a special internet price", $12,650. We'll see how that goes. I'll keep you posted!
  • fleetwoodsimcafleetwoodsimca Posts: 1,518
    That's good that you "caught" them offering a better price! Bargain hard, and make them fix the cruise control before you buy, not after-- hint hint.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    and I would have that vibration identified too, because I've had a 94, 97, 98 & 02, and one of my employees had a 99, and we never detected such a phenomenon. At least, not pronounced. Low mileage can be a good thing, but in rare cases, can also mean the damn thing was always in the shop or couldn't be trusted out of town. Like fleetwood said, I can't identify this color either in my memory. I would do a CARFAX to check for a wreck & damage, and take it to a Ford mechanic you can trust for an opinion on the vibration. That's my biggest concern. These are really solid cars, this one worries me from what you've said.
  • heintz1heintz1 Posts: 52
    I've seen many older Explorers in a metallic rust-orange sort of color, and that's probably what's being referred to here.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Evidently not a popular color in the Southwest. I can't place one in my mind....only the dark red. But whatever color it is, I don't think it should vibrate under hard acceleration.
  • brast69brast69 Posts: 17
    I had a 98 Mountaineer prior to my 2003, I had the same vibration under the drivers floorboard, I felt it on the gas pedle when I accelerated. Turns out it was a lot of work that needed to be done in the front transfer case,the front hub replaced, bearings, seals, gaskets etc. I only had maybe 40,000 miles when I needed that done. Its quite expensive...Maybe you should have the dealer absorb this costly repair.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    LOOK ELSEWHERE!!!
  • jrc346jrc346 Posts: 337
    I have/had 3 Explorers. 1 with the engine that will come in the 1999 you are looking at (4.0L OHV V6). That old OHV V6 just ran like a champ, but was harsh feeling. It had the vibes that you mention, but it never had a problem because of it, and wasn't much more than a nussance. I would take the advice of some others here and have it checked over, by a trusted tech. Sounds like a good price. Goodluck.
  • 1badsidekick1badsidekick Posts: 135
    I went back today and looked it over again, drove it again, actually even let someone else drive and I just rode to pay attention to sounds etc. This car does have the OHV V6, rather than the SOHC V6 found in the XLT. The vibration is exactly as brast69 mentioned, I feel it in the driver's floor board and on the pedal. However, when riding in the passenger seat, I could still tell it. I'm taking the car all day tomorrow, would have brought it home tonight, but the dealer said 'due to our insurance policy, we cannot allow a vehicle off the lot when we are closed.' I think that's malarky myself, but, oh well. I am also taking it to my mechanic for them to look it over, drive it and see what they think about the vibration. I'd like to find another XLS with the OHV engine and see if it does the same. So far I've driven 2 XLTs with the SOHC engine, and it was smooth as silk, and it felt peppier. I went in heavily armed with trade in and retail values for the 2 cars I wanted to trade in, plus the autotrader page with the $12,650 price on it. This is when things began to get complicated. I had been dealing with 1 salesman...but he needed approval of his manager. Well, I went in and showed him the autotrader page, and he said "no problem, you can have it for that." Then when I popped in the idea of trading in an additional car, I was told "the manager is at a sale today, he will be back later this afternoon. Come back by then and bring your other trade for him to look at, and we'll see what we can do." I did just that, and here is what the manager told me: "Because this car (the second one) is so old (10 years) and has so many miles (109k), all I can give you is wholesale, because I'll just take it to the auction and sell it. It's worth about $2,000 wholesale." Kelley blue book told me trade in was $3,035, but according to this man, and another dealer I visited today "Kelley Blue Book is useless, don't go by what they say. All dealers and banks use the yellow NADA book, and the black book." That was comforting...NOT. Then, I noticed he was still going from the $13,900 ASKING price. I said "what happened to me getting the $12,650 advertised price?" B/S followed: "I put that price on there so if someone 600 miles away wants this car, they can come get it for that price, straight out, no trades. That is wholesale on that vehicle. If I sell it to you for wholesale, I'll have to give you wholesale on your trade" which was $4,000 instead of $5400. By the time I left that place, I didn't know which was my front from my back. I was offered a 60 month payment plan @ 6.99%. I went to another dealer and looked at, and drove a '00 XLT, which I ironically like LESS, but it is quite nicer than the XLS. It only has 24k miles, has a power moonroof, 6 disc changer, plus in dash cd and cassette, and all the other XLT goodies. Price for it is $18,500, and he would allow $100 more on the trade than the other dealer, $7500 rather than $7400 for both cars. But, rather than having a $6500 loan, I'll have a $11,000 loan for 60 months at 5.9%. The rear wiper on the XLT doesn't work, which was the same case with the other XLT I drove. I know it's a common problem with explorers, escapes, expeditions and windstars...but has there been a recall? Any other advice for me? I really appreciate what all you guys have said so far, it's been helpful!
  • fleetwoodsimcafleetwoodsimca Posts: 1,518
    I'd expect that XLT wiper to be repaired before the trade went down, and I can tell you my old 93 XLT was a good vehicle. I now drive a 2002 Mountaineer. Good luck. I'd forget the orange vibrator!
  • brast69brast69 Posts: 17
    Have the dealer repair the wiper and whatever else you can find wrong...Because as soon as you purchase the vehicle, its on you!! Definately forget the orange vibrator, if you really want vibrations buy a HARLEY...........
  • heintz1heintz1 Posts: 52
    I'm the original owner of a 2002 V8, 4WD XLT w/ towing package (the vehicle is 18 months old, with 41,000 miles and counting), and for several months now I've noticed the following: When driving on the highway at ~65-85+ mph, when I tap off the cruise ctrl. or take my foot of the accelerator, and let the truck coast, I feel a somewhat coarse vibration from somewhere under the truck (and I even hear an accompanying, soft "growling" sound) as the vehicle's speed rapidly bleeds off. A few months ago, a Ford service advisor drove the truck on the highway while I sat in the passenger seat, and he seemed to feel there was nothing to worry about. Within the next several weeks, I plan to take it in to have a Ford technician evaluate this issue, but I'd first like to know if anyone here might have any ideas about this. FWIW, I've purchased Ford's 100,000 mile extended warranty, so I'm not concerned about repair costs at this point. At any rate, I don't know jack about vehicles, but I'm wondering if this could be some type of a bearing problem? Any thoughts?
  • brast69brast69 Posts: 17
    yeah,
    Look at message 1409...Maybe that will help you out. It starts out as a vibration, eventually you will start to hear a "humming" sound then its time to take it in for the front end repairs.
  • heintz1heintz1 Posts: 52
    #1409 is interesting, but I don't have ANY vibration problems when accelerating.
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