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Ford Explorer Mercury Mountaineer 2005 and earlier



  • jrc346jrc346 Posts: 337
    It has become that obvious huh? LOL! I guess I can admit it. I think about other people out there (GM people, Toyota people, DiamlerChrysler people, Ford people etc) and wonder why we feel so strongly about these car companies that some of us (including me) don't even work for. Heck I even grew up in a GM family. I guess I became a Ford guy because I have had really good products from them. As a Ford guy its a bummer when Ford brings out a new product (2002 Explorer, Escape, and Focus) and botches it up with silly manufacturing glitches and poor materials. Recall rear hatch glass breaking into a million pieces on the new Explorers, and slicing of tires on the assembly line. A number of things went wrong on the Focus (a product of Nassars Regeim). I understand that its the manufactures fault in some cases and that their products are inferior. Yet Ford is the one that is constantly cost cutting. When will the cost cutting stop and the bullet proof quality start? These are just the minor rantings of a Ford guy though. If you are having problems with your Ford I wish you better luck with it. Stick in there if you can, maybe things will get better? If you have a good Ford I wish you many more years of continured satisfaction.
    Ahhh. Now that feels better ;-)
    Navigator 3740- I always look forward to your comments hehe. So, from one Ford blue bleeding guy to another...Goodnight ITS LATE!
  • I noticed one post stating that the Explorers are being marked up over MSRP. I just bought a Mountaineer in Woodbridge, VA and got $2750 in rebates. I ended up paying below invoice....
  • I just purchaced a Mountaineer yesterday for $1,100.00 under invoice. This was before the $1,000 rebate I got fro trading in a Villager. Ford wouldn't go much below invocie and I would nto get teh exctra $1,000 rebate with Ford. Plus, the Mountaineer looks nicer IMO.
  • Hello everybody,

    Have a quick question... Has anyone encountered a problem where the overdrive light is flashing on and off repeatedly? I own a 2002 Ford Explorer 4.0L V6. It only has 8500 miles on it, about six months of driving. I hope this isn't a transmission problem, because I will be very pissed. The car is brand new!

    Any information would be appreciated.

  • alman08alman08 Posts: 282
    uh oh... according to the owners manual, when that light flashes like that, you're supposed to bring it back to the dealer for a fix. I think it's a problem with the tranny, but it could be as minor as a computer chip related problem. But have it checked anyway for a peace of mind. Something interesting happened to mine yesterday. I started the car, turned off the O/D, and was driving. Oh boy, did I feel that jerk from 2nd to 3rd. I stopped, went again and the jerk wouldn't go away. So I turned off the engine (which is like resetting the computer no a day), and drove it again and the jerking was gone. :)
    I will try later again driving it with the O/D off to see if it jerks again. wish me luck! lol
  • swschradswschrad Posts: 2,171
    it could be any failure or just a misalignment of the gear-detect sensor. at any rate, it's a warranty deal, and it's nice to get the defects shaken out quickly. there was a pretty common set of complaints 96-99 with the 4-series tranny in which the clutch for 3rd gear failed... and some shift issues with the OD light the same years that cleared up with a computer reprogramming.
  • Hello again,

    I just came back from the dealer. The flashing OD light was diagnosed by the computer (according to the service rep.) as a torque converter problem. Wonderful!! The rep. said that they are not 100% sure since they did not take apart the transmission or looked into it very deep. He said that there is a possibility that the sensor is faulty. Sure.
    I can't believe this. As much as I want to believe in American cars and quality, once again it is proven to me that the quality is bad. but it is not only that, the service isn't that much better.

    The service rep told me to bring the car back on Monday. They can't get me a loaner because they are out of them. This is after I specifically paid extra for the extended warranty program (when I bought the car) which covers free oil changes and a loaner when the car has to stay over 24hrs in the shop). But THEY have no loaners!
    So the rep. said since we have the holiday (the big whopping one day off for New Years) there is no point keeping the car in since they will not be able to really look into it and if they need parts they don't have they will not come in until day later. WHAT???!? So this means that I have to wait until next Monday to even start getting the car looked at again? How does that make sense?

    I don't want to make this a Foreign vs. American car/service debate, however, I can't help it. I also own a BMW 325i. Everytime I go in to BMW for anything (oil change, etc.) they always make an appointment first (something my Ford dealer doesn't do). When I make my appointment I ask for a loaner (even if I am picking up the car the same day) and when I go in it is ready and waiting for me. I am in and out in 15 minutes and I am at work on time. And if for some unusual circumstance the loaner is not there for me (because the person that was scheduled to bring it back did not) they bend over backwards and give me a ride AND pick me up from work. Try asking for that at Ford. They didn't even want to give me a ride to work.

    Am I going to buy another American car or a Ford? Most likely not.

    I am not trying to start a debate here. I am just giving my opinion and venting at the same time.
  • alman08alman08 Posts: 282
    thanks for the update...
    from reading this message board, according to some of the people here, the tranny on these new explorers did indeed have problems AND the technicians here in the USA weren't trainned to fix them. Good luck with your car... hopefully it will run better after it's fixed.
  • Ford has changed the liftgate somewhere in production for the Mountaineer. We owned an '02 that was built in August '01 and just purchased an '03. The glass portion of the liftgate is more difficult to close. You almost need to slam it shut. This was not the case on our '02.

    We had over 21,000 miles on our '02 and there was a problem getting the truck to start. Traded in for an '03 and upgraded to a V8 since the 0% for 60 was tought to pass up
  • I agree with your comments on the 4runner. Does anyone know if there's more driver room now?

    Indeed, my opinion is that the unions are a major player in the downfall of Ford and others. They were working for the country in the first part of the 20th century, but now they mostly protect inadequate workers (believe me, the education one I was a part of in NY would make you cringe if your kids were being taught by people who would have to be convicted of a felony to lose their jobs). This is not to say that there aren't dedicated, quality workers in these companies, but I'm sure they'd love to get rid of their so-called 'peers' who don't pull their own weight.

    Anyway, if my 5-year-old cars squeaked and rattled, it wouldn't be as big of a deal. Also, if I was off-roading on the farm on a daily basis, it would make sense as well.

    Ford die-hards will never leave, but few on the outside will join. Most will go to Toyota now (The Pilot didn't impress me nor handle very well). Lucky for Ford my father always votes Republican and always buys Ford. But he wasn't amused when I laughed at his 61K Sable blowing the engine with no reimbursement.

    Happy 2003 all.
  • marsha7marsha7 Posts: 3,661
    While I realize that you try an avoid a Foreign v American debate, it is difficult to do so...this topic has been argued in other places...I, too, believe that unions were responsible for improved conditions and worker treatment in the first half of the last century...ever since the 60s-70s, American quality has improved ONLY because we had the pants beat off us by the cheap Corollas and Civics imported in the early to mid 1980s...I spent 10 years, 1980-1990, in Detroit, working with the unions in a certain capacity, and it only convinced me that the unions were the worst thing since Communism...while not wishing to express too strong an opinion, "the purpose of a union is to attract the lowest quality worker to produce the lowest quality work in the highest possible quantity, thereby contaminating the American supply of goods and services"...they keep drunks and drug addicts on the assembly line for up to two years, while they continually appeal in the "grievance process", but we get to buy the products, while they scream "Buy American" show up drunk or drugged at an import plant (built in Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, because no unions), and you are fired that day...the sole purpose of the union in the 21st century is to "protect" the incompetent worker who convinces us to buy Toyota, Honda or Nissan...the unions will work their membership out of jobs until the last 3 good union workers remain...Strong opinion to follow...
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,968
    Let's stick to Ford/Mercury SUVs shall we?

    Steve, Host
  • cmnottcmnott Posts: 200
    It has been a solid performer to date. No squeaks, no rattles, just a great truck. The more time behind the wheel ( it is my wife's) and the more impressed I am with the truck. Great ride, steering and handling, excellent turning radius and lots of spaceinside.

    The only dilike is the mileage which barely gets me 400km a tankful (250 miles) which is around 70 litres (18 gallons). I understand winter is usually worse for mileage but it is a little worse than expected. I am hoping to get 500km a tank in the spring/summmer.

    Also, not terrible impressed with how the 4WD engages, feels sloppy at times. Other than that, I love this truck.
  • ron222ron222 Posts: 3
    I have a 1999 mountaineer, and the A/C smells like a horse. A qualified technician has run a Motorcraft A/C deodorizer through the system with very limited short term results. This mold (or whatever it is) is causing respiratory problems for my wife and daughter. Has anyone experienced this problem before and if so, what was the fix.

    I've tried coaxing the horse out of the dashboard with a carrot, but it did not work. Woooohhh Nelly!!!
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,968
    Oh what the heck, take a look at the current Letters to the Editors too :-)

    (scroll down a bit to the Most Wanted section)

    I'd love to direct you to a current "foreign vs domestic" debate, but those boards go nuclear so fast they wind up getting frozen almost as soon as they leave the gate.

    Steve, Host

  • gregb5gregb5 Posts: 82
    Try turning off the defroster and A/C a mile or so from home and leave the blower on. It will allow the ducts to return to outside temp and prevent the moisture build-up caused by the cooler air.
  • ron222ron222 Posts: 3
    I've tried blowing the system out for hours, with both A/C on and A/C off. I've tried blowing it out with the heater on (the smell is curiously absent while the heater is on), only to have it return immediately when the A/C is turned back on. The mechanic I use (nice guy, honest; a rare find!) has routed out the condensate drain and there was no sign of anything. I have taken off the glove box and looked in the recirculating air intake and saw nothing in the fan. The only ideas I have left are:
    1. Spray isopropyl alcohol (IPA) in there, just in case it is a grease causing the smell.
    2. Spray bleach in there (bleach kills everything)
    3. Disassemble the whole unit and scrub down each part individually.

    Unless, of course, anyone has any other ideas.
  • ron222ron222 Posts: 3
    For anyone who has the Explorer/Mountaineer radio display problem (radio works, display doesn't), see the following website for the fix:

  • jv312jv312 Posts: 32
    The CrossTerrain tire info was right on target. Finally towed snowmobile trailer for the first time this season, and the Explorer handled like a champ! I do have a question for those in the colder regions regarding the road salt & sand. I've notice on the bottom of my doors behind the cladding & inside the door edging that it traps the stuff like crazy. I do not have running boards, but I did install Ford front and rear mudflaps to try and stop this. It cut down on some of the slop. Has anyone else noticed this? The back passenger doors are the worst. Fortunately, none of this stuff comes in the cabin.
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