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Ford Explorer Mercury Mountaineer 2005 and earlier

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  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I think the Escape is a dandy little SUV - I'd stay way from the first year out, they had some teething issues, but other than that, they're plenty reliable to great. I hope it's the V-6, cause they're fun.
  • Chuck1
    You may have a valid point here! He keeps talking about "keeping it under 2000 rpm" and you implied that the V8 drivers may be more agressive drivers. That may very well be true in a lot of cases, as I am a V8 driver and the only time my V8 is under 2000 rpm is when it is off or idling at a light, other than that it is floor it! I do mostly city driving and I get 14 in the city and 18 on the road, and that's good enough for me! :)
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    Yes, well at what you stated......you are getting only about 1 less miles-per-gallon city and two less miles-per-gallon highway than the V6. All I know is that you can't duplicate what happens on the road with what goes on in a lab. I know, I am in industrial sales and I send samples back to my lab all the time, while they are very good at analyzing issues, they can't duplicate the conditions on the piece of equipment the samples come from.....
  • campinutcampinut Posts: 8
    To Chuck1 and ANT,
    Didnt mean to get folks riled up. All had very good points. My next question (to any one if you know) Where can I find aftermarket performance parts for the Explorer. New and older ones, say 1998 and up. Lookin for chips or even turbo if they make it for the Explorer. Just let me say .... not tryin to race it just curious. Any help or tips welcome .......... Thanx
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,261
    Let's just keep focused on the cars and folks won't have reason to get too riled up with each other. Thanks,

    Steve, Host

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    Minivan fan. Feel free to message or email me - stever@edmunds.com.

  • idntnvuidntnvu Posts: 251
    Yes, it's an XLT V6, but it is an '01. I'm going to look at it today, but like you, I also wonder about the first year issues. I've seen some '02's with similar miles for a little more, so if I decide that I like it, I may shop around. I still haven't located the antifreeze leak on the orange explorer, but it continues to lose antifreeze. The reason I am even considering the Escape I found is because of it's price, and mileage. It has 46k miles and they're asking $12,9. I've had the Explorer appraised at $7,0 and with a payoff of around $6,0 it should bring it down into my comfort zone for payments. But once again, just considering, not serious. Thanks for the info!
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    The 4.0L isn't unreliable in any way (except some cracked mani-folds one year, long ago... but that's just an added component otherwise), in fact the engine is quite economically feasable to build in relation to the new 3.5L coming up (hint). But the term "crude" relates to noises caused by added components, not much from the actual engine itself. Although it does have much higher NVH noises/levels, than any other Ford OHC engine (the 3.8L being the top winner in that case, urrrr).

    The engine won't be around much (for the above mentioned issue), the 3.5L will phase-out the majority of current Ford V6's (Vulcan 3.0L being the first, then 3.8L, 4.2L by 2008)...the 3.0L Duratec will stay for a long time.

    BTW, the 3.5L Duratec35 is not a bored/stroke version of the Duratec30. It's actually a whole new engine overall, with a new block as well... Only thing carried over is some of the initial design tweaks and details, and that's very little of it's own.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    "The engine won't be around much (for the above mentioned issue), the 3.5L will phase-out the majority of current Ford V6's (Vulcan 3.0L being the first, then 3.8L, 4.2L by 2008)...the 3.0L Duratec will stay for a long time."

    So, ANT, in the timeline you gave above, when does the Cologne 4.0L ride into the sunset? :confuse:
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    An exact date hasn't yet been determined, and maximizing it's use is important as well, and economically feasable. Therefore, when the Duratec35 is in full swing, and the initial developmental costs have been amortized from placing this engine in use for awhile, would weigh into when exactly the Cologne V6 get killed. So in other words, maybe 4-5 years. I can tell you definately, this engine won't make it into the next decade.
  • mtnman1mtnman1 Westerville, OhioPosts: 383
    I have a 2004 Mountaineer Luxury AWD with a V-8. Started noticing a chirping or squeaking sound every time the A/C cycled on and off that first spring after we bought it. The dealer has changed the compressor which didn't stop it. Took it back and they re-gapped the clutch in the A/C which again didn't work. I've since taken it back two times complaining about this loud annoying sound as recently as three weeks ago. They either don't have a clue what's causing it or they know and don't want to fix it. They claim they haven't had any other complaints about this problem. Has anyone out there with an Mountaineer or Explorer with this same engine had this problem?
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Sold my trusty 94 Explorer, Eddie Bauer, 140,000 miles last weekend. Got $4000 for him too. Thought something should be said for all of those who are Ford haters lurking on these boards. This old boy gave us 11 years of faithful service with very minimal needs. Repairs consisted of A frame bushings, air conditioning hose, master cylinder.
    Toward the end, my son took him over and abused it horribly, wrecking it and running it beyond tolerances of design. It held up remarkably. It uses oil, but passes smog and doesn't leak. Your Explorer may not have performed so well, but this one owes me nothing.
  • Hate to see a good one like that go, but it served you well. R.I.P.
    My 93 was almost that good, but I drove it hard and broke the tranny, but overall was an excellent vehicle. I got $3700 for it at the end of 2003.
    E.D.
  • Has the dealer checked the belt and the belt tensioner? That could cause the noise you hear. Sometimes the belt gets worn and slips more easily. I would try a new belt on the vehicle and check belt tension to be sure the tensioner is pulling the belt tight enough.
    E.D.
  • mtnman1mtnman1 Westerville, OhioPosts: 383
    It's been checked. It is a metallic sounding chirp. Vehicle only has 10,000 miles on it.
  • That is very strange. The only sound the A/C clutch should make is a click, and not too loud. If it is loud and sounds as you say, there is a definite problem, and I don't know why the dealer can't fix it. It is strange that they even put a new one on, and it still makes the noise. Something is being overlooked. Did they put a new clutch on the compressor, or a whole new compressor unit? The fault could lie in the clutch, compressor, belt, tensioner, possible high pressure from an overcharge of refrigerant or restriction in the condenser, even compressor mounting could be loose. But you would assume that the dealer would check all of that throughly, but still, something is being overlooked, because that noise in not normal. I would raise heck with them until they fixed it. If you can't get any satisfaction from them, then you will have to take it to another dealer. All dealerships are NOT created equal.
    E.D.
  • daryll44daryll44 Posts: 306
    I have an '03 Mountaineer Premier with the V8 AWD that is approaching the end of the factory warranty now at 35,000 miles and 32 months on the road. This has been a very good vehicle so far, with the only "defect" being the rear window hinges that were finally recalled and now seem fine. Oh, and the wafer thin so-called "leather" is wrinkling on the outside driver's seat pretty badly.

    I did purchase an extended warranty when I bot the vehicle from WARRANTYDIRECT.COM. I've had 2 other vehicles covered by them and they paid without any problem and the coverage was better than the FORD ESP at a better price too.

    Anyway, I am wondering about the transmission, especially around here in Pittsburgh (up and down STEEP hills all day). It's just not clear if it should be flushed. The maintenance schedule doesn't address it. And it's not clear who can REALLY do it and do it right. My dealer seemed to shy away from it..."not recommended". What do you guys think? 35000 miles is still young but compared to the 1999 Explorer it replaced, the initial 3 years has been MUCH improved and I hope a harbinger of what is to come.

    Also, will Ford replace the "leather" (vinyl?) on my wrinkled driver's seat? Or will it be a fight. It's not "terrible" (yet), but seems more worn than it should be.
  • mtnman1mtnman1 Westerville, OhioPosts: 383
    I was looking carefully at the invoices I have from the service performed. I thought they had replaced the compressor, but actually they Replaced the clutch hub face and Clutch Plate. The second time they adjusted the Clutch Gap to .016. A few weeks ago a Regional Customer Service Rep came up from Cincinnati to meet with me. Of course, when he was listening to it it would only make a "click" as you call it. The next day it was in the 80's and it was very loud and bugging the hell out of me. I also found a paper that I'd forgotten about, that was listed as a "Special Sevice Messages" from Ford. It stated that some 2002-2005 Mountaineers equipped with a 4.6L Engine may exhibit a chirp from the engine compartment when the A/C compressor is cycling. At that time there was no fix, but engineering was working on it.
  • mtnman1mtnman1 Westerville, OhioPosts: 383
    I believe that these transmissions do not require flushing. I imagine the dealer would do it if you wanted it done for peace of mind. I know how the hills are in Pittsburgh since I lived there for 11 years and my family still does. So I don't blame you for your concern, but I would think your greatest concern would be Brakes. Unless you are down shifting your automatic transmission a lot.
  • daryll44daryll44 Posts: 306
    Brakes and tires are ALWAYS an issue in Pittsburgh with ANY vehicle. I go thru front brake pads in about 20,000 miles and tires in 30,000 miles here and THAT'S GOOD. People from the flatlands just don't get it.

    I still think the tranny outta be flushed, but I guess I am afraid they will be inexperienced and will do more harm than good.
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    "Also, will Ford replace the "leather" (vinyl?) on my wrinkled driver's seat? Or will it be a fight. It's not "terrible" (yet), but seems more worn than it should be."

    Yes, you are right. The leather on these seats is PURE JUNK. Way too thin. I have heard Ford has taken a "hard stance" on not replacing any more of those seat bottoms. BTW, there is one thing to keep in mind. If they did replace it, the dye lots are different and WILL NOT MATCH. If you are going to keep this vehicle, you are better off just to wait until it rips totally, and then take it to a good aftermarket craftsman and have him redo both seats up front.
  • daryll44daryll44 Posts: 306
    Well, if Ford won't fix it, I guess I'll probably just live with it until it starts to actually tear open. By then the vehicle won't be "newish" anymore anyway, so I'll just duct tape it and buy a cheap seat cover to cover it then keep on truckin'.
  • I'll tell you how I "fixed" my leather seat. I bought one of those slip-on seat covers right after I bought the car. I put it on the drivers seat, as it is the one that gets the most wear. That will "cure" the seat from wearing out. When I am ready to sell it, I pull the seat cover off, and Walaah! the seat still looks good. It helps the resale a lot. That is what I did with my last vehicle.
    E.D. :)
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    S0- you pay extra to have leather---but put some cheap seat cover on and not enjoy what you paid for? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Just to chime in on that, sometimes people will end up with leather (or another option on their car they didn't care for), because either A) great rebate on it B) Only one on the lot they were able to have C) Just happened that their favorite exterior color, HAPPEN to have leather interior, etc. And in my case, it's been standard on a few vehicles I've bought.

    I myself dislike leather and will put a seat cover within 15 minutes after buying a vehicle only because in FL, it's NOT the best feeling sitting in hot leather with shorts on. The only leather I own happens to be on leather harnesses and chaps, and that's about it.
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    Depending on the vehicle.... leather can be an option priced from $1,5000.00 to $3,000.00 plus- dollars. There would be NO WAY I would pay for it if I didn't want it. I am in Southern Calif.-it gets hot here too! My wife's '02 Explorer leather isn't wearing well either. I looked on the sticker,I paid $1,500.00 for that (CHEAP) leather!
  • mtnman1mtnman1 Westerville, OhioPosts: 383
    I just wonder if you guys are talking about the cheap leather they put in the XLT or the Mountaineer Convenience. I have the Luxury Trim in my Mountaineer which has 2 tone leather and it seems to be pretty good to me. I think it is a better grade of leather than what is being put in the cheaper trim levels.
  • daryll44daryll44 Posts: 306
    Look again. It's cheap wafer-thin "leather" that I swear is really vinyl. That used to be the "base" or "cheap" interior in the 1970's! Yes, I am talking about the two-tone set up in my top-of-the-line Mountaineer Premier...let alone what "downgrade" might be in the XLT.

    Remember when Ricaldo Mantalbaum (or whatever the heck his name was) huckstered "fine corinthian leather" for Chrysler. Now THAT was when LEATHER WAS LEATHER. This stuff is some derivation of leather in certain spots and even that is questionable.
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    We are mainly talking about the XLT. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the leather to go 5 years before it looks really worn. I have taken proper care of my wife's leather interior, (application of preservative, etc.) and the leather is not holding up well at all. It's a common complaint. IT's 2 1/2 years old-and probably will not see another 2 1/2 years. Ford's cost-cutting is really noticeable in some items......
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    Yes, that was a great commercial! His accent just "really hit home!" You spent good money on your Mountaineer, you should get better!
  • mtnman1mtnman1 Westerville, OhioPosts: 383
    It's probably similar to the Leather that I saw in a Taurus that I test drove a couple of years ago. I was looking for a car to drive when my company switched from company cars to an auto allowance. Now that was some amazingly cheap Leather. I ended up buying a top of the line Sonata w/Leather. The Hyundai Leather was noticebly better. You definitely would expect any Leather to far out last Cloth. That's why I buy Leather furniture. Well that and the feel and looks of it. It's pretty bad when a Korean Car Company is giving you better quality than a company that's been around for years. :(
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