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Ford Explorer Mercury Mountaineer 2005 and earlier

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  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    *Clapping* Yes V8 definately, specially long term...
  • marsha7marsha7 Posts: 3,676
    consider towing with a 210 HP V6, just ain't got the guts...the V8 will certainly serve you better...if no towing, different story, but towing 3500 lbs just ain't right for a V6...IMHO
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    Clapping* Yes V8 definitely, specially long term

    Considering than the towing issue, I can understand going with the V8. However, "long term issue" I would like to address. I have a '02 XLT 2WD with the V6. Granted, the engine is inherently loud, but it has proven to be very reliable up to my present odometer of 41,000 miles. So it seems to be the thing to "knock the V6". But I don't understand why. On the highway, it gets a consistent 20mpg if you stay under 75mph. The V8 will not get this kind of mpg CONSISTENTLY on the highway. I will admit in the city the mpg is not that different between the V6 and V8. Of course, you will always have those who claim (when the moon and the stairs align-and the capricorn moon is on the rise... ) that you can get 20 mpg on the highway with the V8. :)
  • cubescubes Posts: 29
    I gotta agree somewhat with chuck1 on this V6/V8 thing. Having had both, an '02-V6 (lease) for 38K miles and presently an '04 with 13K on the clock, the six did great for us. I will add that it had the tow package (I didn't tow) and the V8 that we have does not. My wife has even commented that the V8 lacks a little off the line and I wonder if the rear gear ratio has some effect. Do I like the V8 rumble, you bet. I keep waiting for the thing to loosen up and get some better mpg numbers. The V6 did pretty good when we turned it in and the V8 is 2.5-3.0 less. We bought the '04 back in October because we liked the '02 so much. Bought it because we got a great deal also. It was a US Open (tennis) courtesy vehicle. A loaded Premier, everything except tow pkg, after rebates/discounts it came to $29300+tax. It had 1800 miles on it. Couldn't pass it up.

    Anyway back to the original topic.......the six is good. Is it as good as the V8 long term. Probably not. Would I tow with it? I wouldn't be afraid to, with the tow package. Also, depends on what and how often.....When we got our '02 my son and I drove a V6 and an V8 back to back to back. There didn't seem to be that much of a difference. Of course, there was the V8 rumble. The V8 was an extra, I think, $700 bucks back then and after the test drives, I felt the V6 was enough (the misses puts 90% of the miles on). We're pretty flat out here. While we had it there were plenty of times that we had seven bodies and as much stuff as we could jam in. It never felt underpowered.

    My next issue at hand is whether to trade up to the '06. Could you really have more horses AND better fuel mileage? Yeah!
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,851
    very funny chuck! i never said i got 20 mpg 'consistently', i did reach it a few times. just as an fyi, my 1991 mustang got 20.9 mpg when i filled it up on 6-24-03. that was the only month/day that matched today's date for a fill up. ;)
  • lateralglateralg Posts: 929
    Absolutely!!
  • fsmmcsifsmmcsi Posts: 792
    cubes:

    As I posted in the 2006 area, the dealer closest to my house, one I have used for service and like, is offering me $145 over invoice to order a 2006 Explorer Limited 4x2 V8 with options 96B (ultimate convenience), 76R (reverse proximity sensors), 21E (side / curtain air bags), 422 (CA emissons), HH (dark cherry exterior), and ZW (black interior).

    I have gotten 19MPG on the highway with my 2002 Mountaineer V8, even with the 3.73 rear end which comes with the tow package. I expect that the 2006 Explorer with the improved V8 and 6 speed transmission and the 3.55 rear end will do significantly better, and accelerate better when needed.
  • midas72midas72 Posts: 18
    I don't plan to do any towing so I think a 2003 XLT with a V6 would be fine -- thoughts?
  • fsmmcsifsmmcsi Posts: 792
    midas72 - what do you plan to carry? If you do not want the V8, you might do better with the Freestyle. It is very nice. Lack of a telescoping steering wheel makes it difficult for me to sit the way I am comfortable, but you may be very happy with it. Once the Freestyle with the 3.5 V6 and the Mercury twin are out, I suspect that most people who might buy an Explorer / Mountaineer with a V6 would prefer them.

    By the way, I am ordering a 2006 Explorer because the Explorer Limited does not force you to buy the 3rd row seat and rear air conditioning, things I have never used on my Mountaineer, so it will be less expensive. I also think that the new Mountaineer clear tail lights look too much like the lights many of the trouble-maker types are putting on their vehicles.
  • midas72midas72 Posts: 18
    Other than my dog not much. 2003 v8's hard to come by see a lot more v6's for sale. Presently have a 95 Rodeo and want to upgrade a bit.
  • daryll44daryll44 Posts: 306
    The Freestyle is a fake! OK, I guess it probably is a decen vehicle, but c'mon...it's a beefed up AWD Taurus station wagon! They are doing what Subaru did...took the Legacy Wagon and are selling it as an "SUV". It's not. Freestyle is a STATIONWAGEN. Period!
  • lateralglateralg Posts: 929
    The Freestyle is not at all related to the Taurus. Do some research, and better yet, drive one. I was skeptical too, but a test drive was very impressive.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Well- the Explorer will be a HUGE upgrade from the 95 Rodeo. Not that the Rodeo is bad, for the money they cost.

    FREESTYLE: 1) I heard it is being discontinued after this year and reborn as a Mercury?

    2) If you haven't driven one, you shouldn't knock it. It's not a Taurus under there, it's a Volvo, and it's a great station wagon......
  • daryll44daryll44 Posts: 306
    but it LOOKS like a Taurus outside.
  • dardson1dardson1 Posts: 696
    They do a great job making handsome cars with great interiors. Had a 93 Explorer. In those olden days even the smallish V-6 seemed like plenty, it had the first standard sound system (not counting an earlier BMW I owned) I didn't feel the need to replace, it did almost every well, but I found the ride close to punishing. Had a couple of SUV's in between but bought an Expedition in 99. Always thought it looked like a swollen Explorer, but the interior was excellent, ride was great, never understood the complaint they were underpowered (I had the bigger engine), and it worked for me except for the dismal gas milage. I'm a little O/C and check my milage most tanks. Never could beat 11 -12 in town or 15 -16 highway. I currently drive a 2wd 04 Tahoe with the 5.3 V8. For some reason, the sleepy giant knows how to make a beefy 295HP V8 that can deliver 15+ MPG around town and 20 on the highway. If I've read it once, I've read it a hundred times. . . .Ford SUV's would be perfect if we could just slip in a GM Vortec 5.3 engine. My 2 cents.
  • lateralglateralg Posts: 929
    Is this a serious statement?
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,309
    Serious or not, we have a Ford Freestyle discussion for your enjoyment. This one focuses on the Explorer/Mountaineer.

    Steve, Host

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    Minivan fan. Feel free to message or email me - stever@edmunds.com.

  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Hey, I agree with everything you said, well maybe just one thing I would say.... The Tahoe seems to get a little better mileage, I agree. I've never figured out how either, because they're so low tech. But, I have raced many a Tahoe with my Navigators, and beat 'em if the Tahoe is stock every time. Most of my Chevy pals who have Tahoe's have put dual exhaust with Thrush pipes on 'em to get some more power out of them. I don't know, but I still think Ford has the finest SUV design in the world so far. The only close competitor so far is the Nissan Armada, but it's got a ton of reliability problems so far.
  • daryll44daryll44 Posts: 306
    Yes it is serious...the Freestyle/500 looks like the Taurus. Exactly.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Having just bought an 05 Taurus, I'm glad to hear that. But I think you're wrong - and trolling here........
  • dardson1dardson1 Posts: 696
    Nevermind anyone saying it looks like a Taurus (even though I like how the Taurus looks). It's more like a lean and low Explorer which is a nice thing. If Ford can make it reliable and satisfying to drive, they could have a winner. Ford is pretty good at pulling something outta their hat when against the wall. . .Taurus in the 80's, Explorer in the 90's. Freestyle could be just the right blend of SUV and sedan (kinda like the RX was for Lexus). I'm seeing a bunch of these relatively new vehicles around town. There aren't many cars (these days) for which I twist my neck to get a better look. Among them are the Chrysler 300 (don't want a sedan but if I did. . .), the Dodge Magnum wagon (pushing the limits but may be on the mark), Nissan Z (totally useless but very handsome), and the Ford Freestyle (Ford hit the target visually if the car works mechanically). Shallow as it is, the public rushes to buy a handsome car, and ditches them just as quickly if they don't do the job. Hope this one works for Ford. I will check it out in my 24 month cycle. Love how they look.
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    As an '02 Explorer owner, I am very disappointed on the "looks" of the freestyle. Is it just me....or does it look like a mini-Explorer? Not that it is a "bad thing". However, the Explorer is coming out as a new design in '06. And it is my understanding that the 500 got such lukewarm reaction that a "refreshing" was immediately ordered and will be out next. I don't know where the Ford designers are, (maybe out to lunch) but Chrysler has left them in the dust! :confuse:
  • fsmmcsifsmmcsi Posts: 792
    Have you seen the actual photos of the 2006 Explorer and Mountaineer? What about the Fusion, Milan, and Zephyr? How about the Mustang? The Fusion and Exploer show the new look of Ford, and the Montego, Mountaineer, and Milan the new Mercury look. Both looks are more classy and sophisticated than many competitors, and the Ford interiors are much nicer than the plain, even cheap interiors some of the others are now selling.
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    I agree with everything you said......What happened with the Freestyle? :confuse: Also, the 500 and Focus? The Focus when it first came out, looked "cutting edge." Then they "squared it out" to look as boring as the 500. So three of the models IMHO, are extremely boring!
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,309
    Here's a diversion for y'all:

    What's the point in designing ugly cars?

    Now back to the Explorer/Mountaineer?

    Steve, Host

    Moderator
    Minivan fan. Feel free to message or email me - stever@edmunds.com.

  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Chrysler and Nissan have the artists today, for sure. Ford is going for a "corporate recognition" look, DNA if you will. And I sort of like it, but they could jazz it up a bit.
  • daryll44daryll44 Posts: 306
    It's just you. It looks NOTHING like a mini-Explorer except for the blue oval. It looks like a Taurus station wagon.
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    Daryl,
    That's a BRILLIANT observation! :cry:
  • bjohnrinibjohnrini Posts: 3
    2004 Mercury Mountaineer

    Does anyone know if I have a device (gps unit - RM300) plugged into the power plug and have the unit turned off, does it drain any battery power? there is a green light on the cord of the device that always stays green? I was wondering if this is drawing any power?

    Also, does anyone know of anyway to stop the power plug from providing power when the vehicle is turned off? I would rather have my gps turn on when I turn my vehicle on and turn off when the vehicle is turned off.

    Thanks
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