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Ford Explorer Mercury Mountaineer 2005 and earlier



  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    "Mountaineer or Isuzu Ascender... "

    Your kidding me? Has she test driven the Ascender yet?
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    That's what I was thinking, but since I haven't considered an Isuzu...ever...I thought maybe I was missing something? No?
  • jrc346jrc346 Posts: 337
    Hey glad to hear you are giving the Moutaineer a look. A fine automobile IMO. Goodluck with your decision!
  • fsvfsv Posts: 196
    Yes, she did. They are sort of, from two different games. In common they have only affordable price for which I can get them. Ascender is a 40,000 dollars vehicle, V8, leather, Bose stereo, heated seats, etc - I'd say it's more of Lincoln Navigator competition - but, I can get it under 30G's. Ride on the road is even better than Navigators. Extremely quiet. But, It's more money than Merc - like 30,000 dollars + tax, and I have to buy it. From woman's point of view, Ascender is better - or simply more luxurious. From my point of view - Merc is totally OK, it's much less money per month and in total, since it is a lease, dealer is literally 5 minutes away and I leased before from this dealer, so I know what to expect. V6 in Merc, though, is very hard to compare with V8 in Ascender (which is the same vehicle Trailblazer/Envoy) - any V8 is so much better; but, Merc handles also much better plus, it has some real bad weather/off-road capability, which Ascender has not - it's a station wagon for those who hate station wagons. And, 4 years later I can give Merc back and forget about the whole thing. So, there are always pluses and minuses.
    The only thing, that concernes me - it is 4 years lease, I need 15,000 miles a year, and warranty is 3/36,000 - will the vehicle last 60,000 miles without buying additional warranty for 2,000 dollars? 'Cuz same money will equal the monthly payments to the ones of Ascender, which has 7 years/72,000 miles warranty...
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    " Ascender is a 40,000 dollars vehicle, V8, leather, Bose stereo, heated seats, etc - I'd say it's more of Lincoln Navigator competition "

    But how many will really pay $40K for an Asender? It's essentially a Trailblazer as you stated. The Trailblazer/Ascender was able to fit the 3rd row seat by extended the platform, in turn gaining a bit more mass as well (I believe it weights 100lbs less than a Tahoe actually) which is why a V8 would definately be needed in that vehicle.

    This was GM's final minute stunt to be able to compete with the Explorer, since the Explorer is able to fit a 3rd row seat optional, but in the same compact dimensions unlike the Trailblazer's extra foot (and then some) length.

    As for the Explorer/Mountaineer's ride it was accomplished by the Independent Rear Suspension which is why you feel the more controlled ride, WHICH is what made the fold flat 3rd row seat possible.

    As for the concern with the V6, you could upgrade to the V8 if you wish on the Merc, just kill the additional warranty which at $2000 seems a bit rediculous overall. Or keep the V6, but up for a higher axle drive ratio which helps with acceleration. But I wouldn't place too much priority on GM's 5.3L V8 which has been a source of problems pertaining to increased oil usage, and piston knocking. Check this website out which is looking to place a class action suit against GM for this issue...
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Ok, them's fightin' words. Have you ever driven an Navigator, fsv? Because you sure can't buy one for $40,000! You must be confused. The Navigator is much larger than the Ascender, and much more expensive. From the Edmunds review of the Ascender, they claim this is Isuzu's best truck, and:

    Strong six- or eight-cylinder engines, simple interior design, plenty of passenger and cargo room.

    Spongy suspension, numb steering, low-grade interior materials, odd exterior proportions.

    Ok, insulted, but over it.

    The Mountaineer will give you 120,000 miles of trouble free service if you want. But frankly, I'd get the wife what she wants. Happy wife, Happy life! My mantra......
  • jrc346jrc346 Posts: 337
    Haha, you can tell us Explorer/Mountaineer owners love our trucks can't ya? Were almost downright pushy, but we just think and feel they are better than some/all of the competition for the price and that's why we own them :-)

    Have you floated through the Trailblazer, Bravada, Envoy discussion? That may be worth a look as far as any issues you may encounter. Though I am sure that there are many of the tripplets out there are trouble free. Also, no one is sure how much longer Isuzu is going to be around in the U.S. I think I read somewhere else on Edmunds that they pulled out of Canada this year. So if they pull out of the U.S. will GM honor Isuzu's warranty, or their own 36/36,000 for their tripplets?

    I gotta agree with Nvbanker though, you must make wifey happy!
  • akanglakangl Posts: 3,592
    Want a Misuzu (Isuzu)? Ford/Mercury makes much better vehicles. We have one Isuzu dealer in the state of Alaska, there's a reason for that, NOBODY wants the things, they don't hold up for very long. I'm on Explorer number 3 and I highly doubt I'll drive anything else.......well, maybe an Expedition in 4 years.
  • fsvfsv Posts: 196
    To nvbanker - of course I drove Navigator. When I was returning my LS, it was the first thing I did - and I didn't like the Nav at all. Feels too big. I like Ascender much better. So does my wife. I don't compare cars based on mag reviews - I might ask questions based on them, but never present their opinion as my opinion or truth in last instance. Only after I drive the car, then I talk. Honestly, I like Ascender's highway manners much more than any of FMC offerings. But, again, I have owned GMC and FMC vehicles. So, Fords, in general, handle better. I was very pleased even with Focus when I rented it recently in FL.
    But, to make the story short, it looks like I am getting the Mountaineer - the $288/month Red Carpet promotion thing is over on the Feb. 2nd, and you can not beat it - everything I need is to make home on time (I am leaving today and will be back only Saturday. I'll have may be two hours home and than I have to leave again. In this case everything what's left is Moday evening - hate to do things in the last moment). And, I sincerely hope that "The Mountaineer will give you 120,000 miles of trouble free service if you want" - I really want it.
    And, hopefully kids on my street grew up a bit - I can not take all dents and scratches and baseball imprints on my cars any more...
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I was just surprised to see you compare the Navigator to the Ascender, as I don't even consider them in the same size class, or anything else. That's all. Couldn't see the correlation.

    $288/month? Hmmmmm....I have a Mountaineer on order myself......haven't heard about that deal.
  • fsvfsv Posts: 196
    Write to me: - I'll give you the number who to talk to. It's a lease with my dealer - Dana Lincoln/Mercury of Staten Island. Taxes upfront. 800 down. 4 years. V6 with convenience package - moonroof, running boards, leather, everything power, 10,500 miles. Since I need 15,000 miles, I'll pay $320/month. I don't know, if it is really a good deal, but it doesn't look bad. What do you think?

    P.S. Sale is over on the 2nd of February.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Ok, that explains a lot. I'm going for a loaded up model, no down, so my price is higher. That sounded like a killer deal at first, it still sounds good though for the truck you are getting.
  • fsvfsv Posts: 196
    Meaning the deal sucks? Now you can get a Pathfinder for the same money/no down 39 month. Less leather and roof, otherwise the same deal.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Yeah, my problem with the Pathfinder (other than the bland looks) has always been headroom. No, I don't think the deal sucks at all!!!! I was just wondering why it was so much lower than my price will likely be....that's all. When you explained the Convenience model was your choice, and the wifey wants the Premier, it made more sense.
  • fsvfsv Posts: 196
    As of today I am owner of Merc Mont for next 4 years.
  • akanglakangl Posts: 3,592
    Congrats!! You'll enjoy it!!
  • akanglakangl Posts: 3,592
    That you can put a washing machine in its box in the back of a 2004 Explorer with only one side of the back seat laid down?? There is even room to spare. I'm impressed. How do I know this?? My Explorer did double duty today and acted as a truck.
  • fsvfsv Posts: 196
    Hope you are right. Got 4 years/60,000 miles bumper-to-bumper warranty - somehow ratio of posts in discussion:
    - Ford Explorer: Problems & Solutions 2373 -
    - Ford Explorer/Mercury Mountaineer 1787 -
    got me out of balance.

    What do I do now - I mean it maintanancewise - what shoud I pay attention to, and expect what at what mileage and do what? What stuff should I get not to get stranded on the road? That's my first truck. Had sporty cars my whole life.
  • jrc346jrc346 Posts: 337
    There are many things our there to back up that the new Explorer and Mountairneers are good reliable trucks. Don't let those difference in numbers fool you (posts). I have probably posted on the Explorer's problem board 50+ times myself, but maybe only 6 times for personal issues. Most of those other times were for suggestions and the like. I know Nvbanker is also a large part of both boards you mentioned, but just for help and support 99% of the time. Look at Consumer Reports if you must and see how the reliability has climbed dramatically from 2002-2003 models. By those readings, one would guess that 2004 should be even better. Drive with confidence and peace of mind my friend.

    Nvbanker-When I mentioned the memory mirrors I was aware that the Gators were much less trouble prone than those found on the GM products, which is what I was refering to hehe ;-)
  • You will love what your truck can do. I am on my 3rd Mountaineer (1997, 2000, 2002.5) and everybody is impressed with the truck. My wife loves to tell the minivan moms that she can carry just as many folks, in just as much comfort and not worry about getting stuck in the Cleveland snow.

    I picked up a new kitchen stove in the box. The guy at the warehouse said "no way it will fit in an SUV!" Wrong. Also picked up a new 42" Plasma screen. Again, "won't fit!" Wrong.

    The best is when you help someone move, like my in-laws, with their "Grand" Cherokee. A couple of trips out of the house and their full. I just keep going and going and going (like the bunny!). I love hearing "how is all that fitting in there, our trucks are the same size!" Wrong.

    But the best part of owning a Mountaineer is giving U-Haul a hard time. I rented a 6' x 12' trailer a couple of weeks ago. When the kid asked what I was pulling with I answered "a Ford Explorer." He got a look on his face that said "I don't want to have to deal with this again!" Then I said, "Oh, but it says Mercury on the back. Is that okay?" He laughed and said "Yeah, I don't know what's up with U-Haul?"

    Anyway enjoy your truck.
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