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Ford Explorer Mercury Mountaineer 2005 and earlier

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  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I have to agree, Chuck. In fact, the door handles are so quirky, it could cause me to look elsewhere....unless my wife insists on another one.
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    No one ever said "i can't buy this truck with the door handle like that" to me after I explained that there was a 4" thick foam block in the usual spot thus there was no hardware in that part of the door to attach a handle to...

    Of course, putting a cup in the arm rest really makes way more sense.

    One thing that is even more annoying for me is that Ford choose to make the 6 disc changer optional on the XLT and Eddiebauer...HELLO this is a $30K plus truck! Especially since the 6 disc changer is standard in a $17k Focus SES.

    I know why they did this, there is double the markup in options verse standard equipment. But then they should build them all with that optional equipment.

    Mark
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Yeah, but that's a cooky door handle, you have to admit it. It's wierd....

    The CD changer would be another sticky point. It needs to have one for me. OTOH, a woman who works for me has a Mountaineer - and has never used the CD changer in it. Only radio.
  • marsha7marsha7 Posts: 3,670
    placing a door handle where it can't be reached???...this is the same Ford Motor Company that, in my 1983 Grand Marquis, MOVED the horn button from the center of the steering wheel to...get this...the TURN SIGNAL STALK...you had to press the signal stalk into the steering column to get the horn to blow...I would not mind if they put it there as an ADDED place the blow the horn, but to remove it from the center and place it on the stalk, WHAT WERE THEY THINKING???...after 75 years (at that time) of making cars, who was the idiot that sat around and said " why don't we move the horn button, and therefore be the ONLY CARMAKER IN THE ENTIRE WORLD that does not have the horn on the wheel...obviously, in panic, doesn't everybody reach for the signal stalk instead of the center of the wheel???...truly, the most ignorant thing I have ever seen...if Ford goes bankrupt, I hope that engineer, if he still works there, gets fired, loses his pension, excluded from Medicare, and has his Social Security application processed by FEMA... ;) ;) :shades:
  • lateralglateralg Posts: 929
    I hope you don't live in a glass house.
  • marsha7marsha7 Posts: 3,670
    Are you aware that the Ford HQ in Dearborn is referred to as "the Glass House"???...just thought your comment was ironic...

    BTW, to this day, I still wonder what it was that made them sit around and think, "where can we put the horn this year???"
  • lateralglateralg Posts: 929
    I worked for Ford for 28 years, so I'm aware that more than 15 years ago there was an official Company announcemnet to refrain from referring to it as the glass house. It is Ford World Headquarters (WHQ) ;)
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Ok then - why DID you guys move the horn button? I tolerated it on my 81 Fairmont, but never liked it was was thrilled to see it moved back where it belonged in my 84 T-Bird.....
  • daryll44daryll44 Posts: 306
    Come to think of it, we had an '82 Zephyr (Fairmont clone) and it had that goofy horn thing too. But to give Ford SOME credit, 1981/82 was about the time they came up with the keypad on the outer door. That keypad is still the best entry system on the market. Lexus and the high end guys have the no-key thingie but you have to be carrying the credit-card-thingie in your pocket for it to work. The simple keypad is the best. You can lock your keys in the car and not have to be bothered with anything. My suggestion would be a keypad to start the car too! So while the horn on the turn signal was truly a brainfart, sometimes genius does show itself.
  • bhmr59bhmr59 Posts: 1,598
    A friend leased an '04 Mountaineer, loaded in March '04, for three years with a couple Grand down. He's tired of the ride on anything other than short hauls trips and the 13 MPG.

    He's considering the new Hyundai Azera sedan, after having seen and ridden in my '05 Sonata.

    Went to the local Mercury/Hyundai dealership and talked with the same salesman who arranged his lease 20 months age and knows he has a chance to sell a new Azera.

    Salesman asked how many miles on Mountaineer?...27K. "oh, that's a lot in one year." I can figure your lease buy out if you like. Friend said, "no, that's OK, I know it's between 25 & 26 K." Sales guy says it'll cost you another $6K to turn in the lease now.

    So, sales guy is saying that a Mountaineer that listed for over $40K is now worth under $20K after only 27K miles; plus, he'll want full retail + BS dealer fees for a new Azera.

    Has the Mountaineer really depreciated that badly or do we just have a case of a super greedy salesman? He already lost a sale to me on the Sonata...I told him he was at least $1K too high, more like $1800. My parents are in Florida, contacted a Hyundai dealer there and he gave me a good price. After flying to FL and driving home to CT including all travel expenses, I still saved about $1500 compared to the "special deal" this guy was going to do.

    I guess the bottom line is, has the Mountaineer depreciated that much after 27K miles in 20 months, or is this salesman just too greedy?
  • marsha7marsha7 Posts: 3,670
    Officially, Ford World HQ...NOBODY, but nobody ever referred to it like that...Glass House...maybe in management or union meetings FWHQ...in the real world, every Ford worker I ever knew, and many there were, called it Glass House... :shades:
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,153
    So, what do the workers call the Ford factory with the sod roof?

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  • marsha7marsha7 Posts: 3,670
    Uh, ya got me on that one...is this a riddle or a trick question???...OK, it's...choice E...None of the Above???
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,153
    Just curious; I was thinking that Lateralg might know.

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  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    Marsha7 is right on. That post is calling it like you see it! The same goes for the previous redesign of the Taurus (the oval joke). I can't believe a bunch of people sat around and said, "Man this thing looks fantastic! We are going to set the world on fire!On another note, saw a new Fusion on the freeway today, the thing looks Japanese!
  • daryll44daryll44 Posts: 306
    place "The Grass House".

    As to Explorer/Mtr depreciation...your story sounds like it's half true (Explorer MTR and all SUVs have experienced depreciation meltdown) and half dealer greed on the new vehicle. Every time you trade a vehicle there is huge juice, known in the investment world as "friction". Your friend should just keep his Mtr until the end of the lease. Gas prices are easing (at least for now) and there is no way he'll ever recoup even at $3/gallon. At least he leased and knows exactly when he can walk away "for free". Truthfully it sounds more like a case of car boredom than a case of any burning need to get a new vehicle. My MTR is almost 40 months old and rides fine. Surely your friends isn't that bad either. Tell him to focus on making money, not on car boredom (which ALWAYS COSTS money).
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Grass House! LOL!! Good one!!!
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,618
    'glass house' isn't that the 'gm' house now?
    i found the door harder to close than open in the '06 explorer. is that what everyone else is refering to?
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Well, I'm talking about the open handle on the front of the armrest, inside..... It's goofy. But perhaps I could get used to it.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,618
    opening the door, i don't find it too bad. lift up the front of the armrest and push the door open with your elbow or forearm. closing the door, i find more difficult.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Ah, yes, I believe I did as well. It may be the best Explorer yet - I haven't driven one - but style wise - I don't see much if any improvement.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    place "The Grass House"

    And two demerits for the first person offering admonishments to people who live in them! :)

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  • lateralglateralg Posts: 929
    AWD V8 Luxury 7-passenger

    Just turned over 1,000 miles. More than 250 of this on NASTY dirt/mountain roads. 45-50 MPH over washboard surfaces. Descending & ascending gnarly, twisty, rutted, rocky grades at 5 MPH. Still no rattles. AWD needed at times, and works great.

    Nav. guidance voice still sounds like Lilith (Frazer's ex-wife) gargling. Street name spoken way too rapidly.

    Location of the Nav. screen above the climate control registers is a subtle but significant safety factor because it's now at the same level as the instruments, and much closer to the line of sight to the road.

    Getting adjusted to inside door handles, but still not happy with them.

    Tongue-depressor fix for overdrive button location is essential if a person uses it much. I use it often for engine braking on highway downgrades.

    Another wart is the lack of a "Cancel" button for the speed control. The only way to disengage it without losing the speed setting is to tap the brake pedal ... and it requires a firm tap. My '03 Lincoln LS had "Cancel", as well as my '06 Mazda 3. It should be easy to make the "Resume" button dual-mode.

    Getting compliments on the styling from pre-teen boys, and young-married folks. My color is Cashmere ... VERY dusty at the moment.
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    This post is completely wrong and the person who wrote it does not understand leasing.

    When you turn in a lease EARLY, you are still responsible for ALL OUTSTANDING LEASE PAYMENTS.

    In rare instances, the trade in value the lease vehicle will exceed the buyout on the lease. The buy out equals ALL REMAINING PAYMENTS and the RESIDUAL VALUE or PURCHASE OPTION of the lease. This only happens if the vehicle mileage is a lot lower than typical.

    Most leases are calculated at 12k miles per year. Obviously, for your friend to be at 27k in 20 months, he is SUBSTANTIALLY OVER MILES which really accelerates the depreciation.

    In regard to the price on the Sonata please keep in mind that ultimately it is the person who buys a car that determines its price. The price will reflect supply and demand. FL is a different market from CT with maybe more supply and/or less demand, hence the different price.

    Not all auto sales people are not out to screw people over, they are trying to make a living too. Must auto sales people are trying to form a relationship that will lead to repeat business.

    Mark
  • My wife are expecting our third child in March and need to go from our current Jeep Liberty to a larger vehicle. Other kids are 5 and 2 1/2. We are anti-minivan, and really like the looks and ride of the Mountaineer, and its a great value with current sales, but a little concerned about practicality. Love to hear from anyone out there who has a Mountaineer with more than two kids on the younger side. Thanks.
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    You have very right to be concerned about practicality. With the 3rd seat up in the Mountaineer, there is no room for things you need for little ones. And believe me, you would want one of the little ones (probably the 5 year old) to sit in the 3rd seat, especially on long trips. Then there is no-room for luggage for those long trips. You or your spouse CANNOT access the 2nd and third rows without stopping the vehicle. You can in a mini-van. If you still want a SUV, you need to take a look at something larger, like an Expedition or Suburban. However, IMHO you be much better off in a Toyota or Honda mini van. And I won't even get into resale value.....
    Then there is gas mpg to be concerned with. This of course is not to mention that this is FORDS FIRST YEAR of a new redesign. Their reputation is less than stellar on new models. I came out of an '02 Explorer with rear-end and issues with the transmission solenoid. I traded it in with 46K on the clock for a 4Runner. Let us know what you decide. Will practicality be more important than "appearance?"
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Chuck is a known cynic here. His experience wasn't so great. We have had 1 Explorer and 4 Mountaineers, currently have an 04 Premier V8-AWD. What Chuck said about luggage room is correct generally. At least on the long trips, you may need a luggage carrier on the roof, and that will eat up your mileage. An Expedition would do better. As for Ford's new vehicle reputation - I disagree, and cite the introduction of the newest F-150,F-250 series - a flawless introduction. One can have a lemon anywhere. The new Mountaineer carries over their engines, and running gear, so I wouldn't be afraid of one.

    Toyota has great products as well, but they are different in their characteristics, and less evolved in design - more old school.
  • marsha7marsha7 Posts: 3,670
    Hey, I just have the greatest admiration for you for traipsing around this long with 2 kids and 2 parents in a LIBERTY... ;) :shades: ;)
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    "Chuck is a known cynic here. His experience wasn't so great."

    NV, I felt I gave an accurate appraisal of the cons of the Explorer which you agreed with. Me being a cynic, I feel is not a necessary part of this conversation.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    "This of course is not to mention that this is FORDS FIRST YEAR of a new redesign. Their reputation is less than stellar on new models."

    The Ford 500/Mercury Montego, both being newly engineered models, were built at a newly remodeled Ford plant, and have experienced no first year issues. If anything, it was one of the top 3 vehicles rated by JDPower's for initial quality...behind the Grand Marquis, and Buick LaSabre...didn't see the newly designed Avalon on that list heh...

    The Freestyle itself, built in the same factory as the above mentioned vehicles, also had no issues come up on it's first year build.

    The Mustang, another newly engineered vehicle was also built in a newly remodeled plant, was rated in the top 3 in initial quality by JDPower's with no first year issues.

    The newly re-engineered Ford F-150, had it's introduction, with no recalls in it's first year.

    The re-engineered Super Duty F-series, also debuted with no issues.

    Etc.etc.
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