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Disagree with you vince. I am getting a sincere 17-19 city and 22-23 hwy if I am not real loaded and the wind ain't goin the wrong way and my son has not driven it with the 4.0 5 speed manual. The 3.0 will certainly work but I was real impressed by the way mine pulled on the high mtn passes around its torque curve of 2700 or so rpm. It kept goin real fine in dirt/rocks and pulled me thru the soft sand.
Vince:
I know. I have supplied sites too such as the Motor Trend site a few posts back, but lets not use this forum for cheap shots but rather to share ideas/questions/etc such as:
Anybody have experience on Michelin APT 31/10.5's? Have a chance to get some for 90 bucks vs 120 new.
Also since I have the 3.73, for those of you that have done it, will my power on a 99XLT 4.0 be effected greatly with the 31's? I know that the rear ratio will go to about a 3.5 something.
vince, I have an old boss that just loves Toyota's and tried to tell me that the record of repair was poor as per Consume Reports. So I told him to put up or shut up and he brought the 4/99 issue that indead did have Ranger listed poorly, IN ONE SECTION. It also had a * that said "based on 1 year". He never saw that cause he wants a Toyota regardless of cost. I pointed to the same issue, further back, where the Ranger and Tacoma are dead even as reported by people who filled out the Consumer Reports survey, He wants it, it is his money. Sushi, you and I will just buy some goodies with the extra money we feel we saved. The TRD equiped Tacoma is a very nice vehicle, I just didnt have 21=22K to spend but I did have 17K. My pictures I shared prove it does what I want it to do, rather well I might add. And you know what vince you can put a heck of a lot of groceries in the back!!!
But you do notice that no one has stepped up with their Tacoma pictures didn't you? That was my vehicle I assure You.
1985 Ford Pickup Ranger Long Bed
Engine: V6 2.8 Liter
Trans: 5 Speed Manual
Drive: 4 Wheel Drive
Mileage: 97,000
Equipment XLT
Air Conditioning
Power Steering
AM/FM Stereo
Retail Value $3,460
Trade in value as per http://kbb.com
1985 Ford Pickup Ranger Long Bed
Engine: V6 2.8 Liter
Trans: 5 Speed Manual
Drive: 4 Wheel Drive
Mileage: 97,000
Equipment XLT
Air Conditioning
Power Steering
AM/FM Stereo
Consumer Rated Condition:Good A "good" vehicle rating means that the vehicle is free of any major defects. The paint, body and interior have
only minor (if any) blemishes, and there are no major mechanical problems. In states where rust is a problem, this should be very minimal, and a deduction should be made to correct it. The tires have substantial tread wear left. A clean title history is assumed. A "good" vehicle may need some reconditioning to be sold at retail, however major
reconditioning should be deducted from the value. Many cars owned by consumers fall into this category.
Trade-In Value$1,655
Want advice? Sell it yourself for 3K. With hunting season around the corner, it should go fast.
Engineers pass two summers ago. He has a 1980 Cj7 and I had a 91 Toyota regualr cab 4wd with
31's. He has a winch also. We made it just fine, and mt 91 Toyota only had an 500 upgrade of Bilstein shocks. Its possible you could make it with your Ranger if you ditch those firestones
and throw a front diff protector on, and maybe a heavy duty fuel tank cover too. Give it a shot. Its not as bad as y ou think, especially in late July.
Just seen the pics and heard a story from a co-worker regarding Engineers Pass. I think it gets to near 12,000feet. She and her husband tried it in April and broke thru a frozen stream at 7-8PM. Was not a pretty sight from what I heard. Their 80's Dodge Ram needed to be winched out. They were lucky someone came by at that time of night.
I just knew it was a real rough road. I have been to the base of the pass road, in an Intrepid. It is one way from what I understand so there is no turning back. I don't know, that is a place were 2" additional clearance would surely make a difference.
I am looking to ditch the Firestones and get more than likely BF Goodrich. I think the Michelin tires APT stands for All Purpose Tire, not real good for anything other than light off road.
The ranger frame protects the front but if you bounce, could be a costly problem. That is one plus for the Toyota's for sure. This 98/99 design on the Ranger is so new that I have not seen aftermarket for a skid to cover that differental.
Thank you very much for the info. That area is about 3.4-4 hours away so I would have to plan a trip there, not a real one day'r.
Yes, let me know on the chip
cpousnr@aol.com
Check out the web site CarWizard. They have the specs on the 2000 Ranger. There are some slight changes to what comes standard and you can also see what some of the new packages that will be available on the Ranger.
- The Merg
Why does the 4 wheel drive ranger have 7.4 inches of rear ground clearance with the p215/75r155l
tires,
and the 4 wheel drive tacoma have 11 inches
with p/225/75r15 tires?
What are those tires, about a half inch to an inch difference? lol.
Why anyone would make or sell a "truck" with only 7.4 inches of ground clearance is beyond me. Thats about the same clearance as many cars, and the subaru outback!!!!!!!
Wow. It would take some work to get the Ranger up to Tacoma clearance standards. What was that about " going anywhere the Tacoma can"lol.
is designed for offroad use. A company doesnt offer a super-large stabilizer bar and al kinds of skid plates plus 11 inches of Ground clerance standard for city drivers.
Also, you can sure tell you don't offroad. Most offroaders don't use ground clearance to go OVER objects. lol!
LOOK at the rear ground clearance for Ranger 4x4 vs Tacoma you idiot.
Ranger with p215/75r15 = 7.4 inches of ground clerance!!!!!
Tacoma with p225/75r15 = 11 inches.
the difference in tires is 3/4 inch.
LOL!!!!!!!~!
This is Ford Country , where we make trucks with the ground clearance of cars! LOL.
Quit trying to pull your BS. It doesnt work with me.
Who knows what the rangers FRONT ground clearance is. The Tacomas is 11 also up front.
Enjoy!
Accessories? Well they are well equiped stock. Get 4.0L and you get ABS (and maybe 4 whl disk brakes) cruise, payload #2, tilt (unless your big like me, doesnt move enough to warrent), power if you want it (I didnt, too expensive to fix when it breaks), limited slip, buckets if you like em (my butt wont fit in them as well as 60/40), SPRAYED liner after market (Not a dealer. Consider Ameriguard vs Rino). Unless you like it forget the stuff that gives you stickers. And get rid of the Firestones and you will love the difference.
HMMMMM. Tacoma with 31's 11 inches.
Ranger with 31's 12 inches.
Ponder that one for a sec.
AGAIN you read the post wrong. The tacoma is 11 inches with the pr 225's, NOT the 31's.
the ranger is 7.4 inches with the pr 215's.
comprehend?
tacoma front and rear with 225's = 11 inches
ranger rear ground clearance with 215's 7.4 inches
carwizard.com
Tacoma with 31's = 12.5-13.5 inches front and rear.
Ranger with 31's = 9.5-10.5 inches rear.
lol. I would BET MY HOME there is NO WAY in hell
a ranger without a lift has higher ground clearance than a toyota. lol.
These stats prove it. Stop being an idiot.
Anyone with a brain knows the Tacoma rules the compacts in ground clearance. Read the carwizard.com stats again there.
why are you being such an idiot?
Just accept the facts.
I won't call names. How about a Ranger with the offroad pkg. Ground clearance is 10" stock. Even in the Ranger vs Tacoma room, if you scroll back an avid Mazda fan quoted you ground clearance they had found. Like I keep saying. The guy who I know, and who even owns a Tacoma TRD, doesn't even understand where the hell you are getting your screwed up idea that the Tacoma TRD with 31" tires and a Ranger with 31" tires are so far apart in ground clearance. Overall the Ranger is the best all around truck. It drives better, handles better, and yes, can offroad as well as go downtown, now go on home to mommy.
I also own a 4x4 4.0 5spd XLT Ranger. I have the 3.73 limited slip rear end. I ordered mine pretty well loaded. I would get the tow package for sure, along with the limited slip rearend. I have about 16K now and have had NO problems. If you scroll back you will see how I use my truck as a truck. My Ranger has never failed me in the outdoors. It is all really going to depend on how you are going to use the truck?? Please give us more info.
quote from Vince:
". Overall the Ranger is the bestall around truck. It drives better, handles
better, and yes, can offroad as well as godowntown, now go on home to mommy."
Vince, I have already provided TWO comprehensive road comparison sources, Petersons 4 wheel and
4 wheeler magazine that SPECIFICALLY say the Tundra is light years ahead of the Ranger in offroading. THE REVIEWERS statements are backed up by statistics.
4 wheel mag quote=
" dollar for dollar, the tacoma offers the best all around package of any compact truck on the market(or maybe any truck)."
" the ranger woopty-dood in the rough stuff and just couldnt keep up"
" the tacomas 4:10 gears made it a monster for climbing hills and rough terrain"
" the switch in the ranger felt flimsy, and its weak gearing caused problems"
I could go on and on and on.
Obvioulsy you like to ignore the facts and stats.
YOu are an impossible TWIT with absolutely no CLUE. Dance baby , dance!!!!
"Spoog doesn't even own a Tacoma, let alone an S/CTacoma.
I won't call names. How about a Ranger with the
offroad pkg. Ground clearance is 10" stock"
Thats still one inch shorter than the Tacoma
with p225's.
Oh, what exactly comes with the ranger" offroad" package?
I will take a picture and post on my web site within one or two weeks.
I do not appreciate being called a liar on this forum.
I will state again, on my driveway, with a Stanley tape measuere, it shows 7 inches dead center, and the tape is 3 inches wide. That equals 10 inches.
Man that was an ignorant ting to say.
And for you non-believers, check out
the 4wheeler mag website 98 pickup of the year test between mazda, ranger, and tacoma. The tacoma stats and offroad performance blew away the ranger.
"Ihave read many off-road mags and most indicate that
one should use the tires/sides of the trucks to
overcome obstacles. Makes sense to me since you"
Exactly. And you need GOOD ground clearance to pull this off.
" , he knows nothing aboutoff-roading and only rattles of specs of the tacoma
and really knows nothing about them or the ranger
for that matter, so quit playing with "
Oh gosh, im rattling of FACTUAL statistics and performance reviews that are useful to this site and others. Maybe we shouldnt discuss FACTUAL stats and reviews, maybe we should just all say " my trucks beter than yours because I say so", or " my trucks looks cooler than yours, and its better offroad9 I dont know why it , is , because I say so!)".
Maybe we should all bicker about myths and lies and spread false information to the consumers who read these sites.. Yeah, lets do that instead Bruce you idiot.
Yeah, forget the stats and engineering features. Who needs to discuss something that rests on a solid foundation when we can spout lies and rumors and guess about everything.
Enjoy.
A few times you have mentioned the engine on the Tacoma being the highest positioned? I am not sure what that means, could you explain? Also, what is a clutch cancel switch and when do you use it. I dont know and am interested in the advantages. I just think if the engine is higher yes you gain clearance but the risk of raising the CG is greater. What is The Tacoma clearance pavement to bottom of engine if that is what your speaking of.
Lets use this forum to inform, not attack, ok?
Thanks in advance.
- The Merg
spoog:
To answer your question on the 7.4" rear clearance, I can only assume that is the 14" tire version. Mine is slightly less than 8.5 in that area. One reason that I have posted before is that the Ranger changed to an 8.8" rear end hence the clearance was lower.
Now the ADVANTAGE is that there is a claim from Ford that the 8.8 is 35% stronger than the 7.5. Also, and I am confirming this on another site, the spline gear is a 31 tooth vs a 28 tooth and the axcel diamiter is bigger. Basically, Ford put the rear end of an F150 under the Ranger.
Now as far as Mazda, I think they have the 7.5" rearend. Not that it is bad but that is one difference between Ford vs Mazda. And, as you will reclall, in the 4 wheeler mag the Mazda placed 3rd behid the Ford. Go figure cause I think for overall purposes the vehicle preform identical and either is capable of 4 wheelin with the best of them.
Break them in right and they will treat you right.
Depending on the terrain I am off roading I sometimes deflate my tires. In those cases clearance is a plus.
Clearance does usually allow for a better approach angle and departure angle.
Clearance is benifical when you have to cross a crevice from a side angle.
Other than that I think the Ranger and the Tacoma are about the same.
email me at cpousnr@aol.com. Need your email address.
Front end 10 inches
Front differential 9.75"
xfer case 9"
rear differential 8.25"
rear shocks 8.75"
So if the diameter difference between the 31's that I want to get and the 235SR75x15s on the vehicle is 2 inches, do I gain 2 inches in clearance when I change?
I would go a 4x4 XLT kingcab with a 5spd 3.0 V6, 3.73 limited slip rearend. Also get the tow package to better handle the trailer. It should run you about 15 - 16K. You will also get A/C and may find one with some other options as well.
Hope you find what you are looking for, good luck.
I guess Fords business is so good they don't give a hoot.
There, I said it. I am tired of all this useless
bickering and stat-ignoring.
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FOR THE MONEY< THE RANGER IS A BETTER VALUE.
IT ALSO HAS A MORE COMFY INTERIOR AND IT LOOKS BETTER TO ME ON THE INSIDE.
For anyone looking to save a buck and get a truck
that handles most needs well it is a good truck.
Now, if you will agree that the Tacoma is sportier, and is Superior off road, we can end this nonsense.
"Front end 10 inchesFront differential 9.75"xfer case 9"rear differential 8.25"
rear shocks 8.75"So if the diameter difference between the 31's
that I want to get and the 235SR75x15s on the
vehicle is 2 inches, do I gain 2 inches inclearance when I change? "
NOt necessarily. You will gain some inches,
it all depends on how full your tires are, and how they mush when under the weight of the truck.
If your at 8.25 rear ground clearance with
p235's you should be at 10 inches or so
for your rear ground clearance with 31's.
Dont forget that you may have speedometer misreadings with 3:79 gear ratio and taller tires.
It should be minimal though.
Yes, I will agree, with the locker, the Tacoma would be the superior offroad vehicle. But not worth the extra$$ to most.
You told Feltonm above that a 4x4 SuperCab with limited slip and tow package is about $15-16K. If that's the case, I'd get one too. That's really the cost (maybe a little low) for a 4x2. Add a few K on for the 4x4.
- The Merg
P.S. In September I'll be shopping for my new Ranger! :-)
I'm not dogging anything when i say this but you may want to read the Conf. about the Ranger 4.0 V6. Sounds like some people are having some problems.
-wsn
Has anyone had the same problem or have a possible solution other than getting a new truck.
Thanks in advance
As much as I like my truck,I think I'm going to trade it in for a Nissan Frontier.At least I'll have something reliable for a change.
The 2nd Ford I've had trouble with.I won't get burned again.
The national Highway and safety transportation
site listed it and the geo tracker as the most unstable vehicles made in turning.
Heres another sweet quote:
"Three vehicles -- a 1998 Ford Explorer, the Ranger pickup and a 1998 Chevrolet Lumina -- had tires that broke their seals and deflated in maneuvering the test corners, dropping the wheel rims onto the pavement. An agency document said when the tire was ripped from part of the rim, the vehicle was difficult to control and was more likely to slide sideways, also "increasing the risk of rollover"
Nice quality there.
This article was on the front page of the Chicago Sun times, with a large picture of the Ranger on the front page. Here one of many URL's:
http://www.auto.com/autowire/qroll15.htp
and suvs. The Tacoma handled like the thorobread
it is.
click on the URL and find out. The explorer couldnt do it either, AND its tires blew up.
Kind of goes back to what I said about yotas being performance MACHINES, and Ford making the
possibly the weakest 4x4's in terms of all around performance handling, and clearance.