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I would appreciate any comments.
I heard the same thing re: color fading with Rhino spray-in liners. My Ranger is black, and after checking around, I heard that even the black Rhino tends to fade after a while. I checked some testimonials by Line-X and didn't hear of any such problems. I ended up getting the Line-X and this past summer and have had no problems.
I went with the Line-X for two reasons. The great price my dealer gave me and looks. I just liked the Line-X look of fine gravel over the Rhino textured wall look.
Now six months later. The shiny black is now slightly dull. Mainly car wash soap and the elements here in Los Angeles. (Smog and stuff.) Other than that, I have no complaints. Spilled oil washed right off. (A week later at the car wash.) The color is now a charcoal grey (i.e. BLACK) rather than the shiny hearse black when new.
Mine was sprayed in so that bed does not hold water. I guess that is what it's supposed to do.
In all, I'm pleased.
Rich
I haven't really tried to slide anything on the Line-X while it was wet. [Come on, you KNOW it never rains in Southern California ;-) ]
When dry and compared to a Ford (aka DuraLiner) drop in liner, NOTHING slides on the Line-X. In fact, that is my only complaint with the liner. You have to climb into the truck to load things. You can't just slide boxes, etc. to the front of the bed.
Rich
Thanks.
Ryan
Talked to a dealer and he told me stories about dealers that do not sand the bed down before spraying! He highly recommends getting all the details before going with any brand!
Line-X said, "We've got the boss' truck sprayed, a trailer, and samples, but I can't let you see how it's done, that's a secret and we can't let that out."
Rhino said, "Well, I've got samples, a trailer, and my truck. You can come see that."
Now, since they both quoted me $395 for under the rails, and won't let me see what's going on, I'm getting a little worried down here.
What kind of prices has anyone else recently gotten? And have you been able to see the actual application?
Thanks,
Ryan
The price is consistent. I got a quote of $350 from line-x directly, or I could get it done through the ford dealer before I picked it up for $395. I chose the latter because they could get it done the next day, and I wouldn't have to worry about getting rides from there to work and back, etc.
I did not of course see the process, but I am quite pleased with the result. Nice, thick, resilient covering, tightly masked, with clean edges, and they removed the access plate over the lock on the tailgate and sprayed it separately. I have seen other spray-ins where this was not done, but not sure what brand they were. I doubt there are many times where you need to get to that mechanism, but it is nice to know that I can without ruining the liner.
So far, it seems to keep stuff from sliding, but I haven't had much in there yet.
Hope this helps.
HP
Thanks,
Ryan
I'm suspicious. I know I've seen features on TV car shows that showed the process with the Rhino Liner.
"We'll let the press know, but not our customers?"
Jim
Thanks,
Ryan
Jim
JB
Before I had the Line-x installed I talked to a Rhino dealer. He told me that color was $100 extra and he didn't want to do it. It seems that it's a real pain to clean the spray gun to get the color just right. He wouldn't guarantee the color match nor its permanency. He also said that a second (UV) coating was necessary because the color pigment takes up too much of the mixture and the UV really beats up the product.
I got to thinking and couldn't help wondering how long the UV coating would last before the liner was going to be affected.
Rich
- Have heard that spray on liners decrease resale value. Why?
- Any real difference between Rhino vs. Line-X? Would buy black, over-the-rail.
I finally saw one and my impression is it is gooky. Why do it?
Gooky? You haven't seen a well done Line-X, I take it. Why do it? For the same reason you'd protect the finish or mechanically maintain the vehicle: To preserve it's value and function.
It make some sense to me to prevent the damage rather than to repair it or cover it after the fact. Is it permanent? Yes, I certainly hope so. But it can be repaired if need be also. If you consider the alternative, why NOT do it? The paint is a poor choice of coatings for a pickup bed, sure to allow dings, scratches and rust...
But even a properly installed drop-in liner had problems. Vibration leads to paint rubbing off under the liner, which is a great place for moisture to collect. It took longer for damage to accrue, but it still did. Drop-ins were nearly all so slippery that loads would shift unless completely strapped down. Drop ins have improved in this regard. Drop-ins that were not properly installed could easily blow out of the bed at highway speeds (I've seen them in the median). I have even heard tales of drop-ins being stolen. In extreme cold weather, they became more brittle, and could crack if you dropped a brick on them.
Enter the spray-in liner. Yes, it is permanent, which makes it repairable under comprehensive coverage in event of an accident. Most, if not all are guaranteed for life by the manufacturer/installer in case of chips or divits from normal use. Most are much less slippery than drop-ins, leading to more secure loads. The sheet metal underneath is completely armored by 1/8 - 1/4" of high-impact, UV and temperature-stable polymer. There is nowhere for water to collect, so it does not contribute to rusting. It can't blow out or be stolen.
I had to re-paint the bed in my '78 pickup several times to chase rust. There were always scratches and dings. My 86 had a drop in, that worked pretty well, but after 12 years of service, there were some rust spots starting underneath. I have confidence that my '99 truck's Line-X will be the last thing still intact when it is a rusting hulk in the scrapyard decades from now.
If you plan to really carry stuff in your pickup, it is the most important upgrade you could do.
HP
I think that I am going to get this brand when my truck finally comes in.
I have an OEM liner with built-in slots for divider boards. I think this is pretty common now for most drop-in liners. I know for a fact that Dura-Liner also has them. Many now also come with cupholder impressions on the tailgate cover. Sure helps keep your beer from sliding off your tailgate!!!
Yes. They have the vertical slots and the horizontal ledges. I used 8x2s which I had to cut at a slight angle to fit properly in the vertical slots (I have an F150 long bed). I use the one closest to the tailgate the most as it keeps things from rolling toward the front of the truck where I can't reach.
The horizontal ledges create a great two-level effect, giving me more width above the wheel wells and storage underneath. Since I do a lot of weekend camping and can't be bothered setting up a tent for a two-night stay, I've used these boards to build a platform that nicely fits a queen-size air mattress. I lose some head room (I have a high-top fiberglass cap) but not much.
Most great inventions were by little people faced with a big problem - i.e. the lever, the wheel, the automatic garage door opener!
Just always looking for ways to make my life better and easier.
Thanks,
Ryan
Do you need to have some sort of rail protection (either rail caps or over-the-rail drop-ins/spray-ons) when you use a cap or tonneau cover? I've heard the same arguments people use against drop-in bedliners - i.e. the cap or tonneau cover will vibrate against the rail and sand paint off. Is this true?
I've learned from this group that most caps and covers won't fit over the over-the-rail bedliners. Will they fit over Line-X or Rhino liners that have been sprayed over the rail?
Finally, what about those thick foam bed mats? The new ones say they're molded to the bottom of the bed so water can't get under... I know they won't protect the sides bed, but I would think they would work to keep the dents down. What do people think about these?
Most of the time, the cap dealers recommend getting an under-the-rail bedliner if you're going to put a cap on. The reason is the cap is made to sit steady and snug to the bed rails, with a thick piece of foam rail tape that acts as a cushion/seal.
However, my last truck came with plastic rail protectors already attached. The cap was installed on top of these and I had no problem with leaks or shifting.
I've had two trucks with caps. One I left on for seven years and never had any paint rub off. The other was the cap described above, which was left on for two years.
Your best bet would be to talk to a reputable cap dealer near you and let them explain the pros and cons. Don't be afraid to ask people you see with caps where they got theirs and what they think.
As far as the bed mats, I've never had one nor do I know anyone who has. Sorry.
Do the Load Loc Dealers sell that liner you are talking about? Is there one particular brand? Thanks for the info, I was leaning toward getting the Load Loc brand when my truck finally arrives.
The under-rail job will give you more options down the road. I'm thinking about diamond plate rail guards on mine...