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Toyota Matrix

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  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    And the warranty is better and longer on the Trix, in the USA at least.
  • 2003 Matrix XR Auto FWD. 1st tank: 26.9 mpg.
    Last tank (today) 21.7 mpg.

    Time to get rid of this turkey. Anybody want to buy a slightly used (3500 miles) silver Matrix, sports package, sun roof, Viper security system?
  • The only precedent for "Corolla Matrix" that comes to mind is the Tercel from the 1980s. I remember commercials about the "Toyota Corolla Tercel." A friend of mine had one, but I can't remember if it actually said "Corolla" anywhere on the car itself.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    it said "corolla tercel"...with the redesign in '84 ('83?) of corolla, tercel became a separate line.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Posts: 2,228
    The Camry Solara. I'm not sure if the new 04 model is still using the Camry part of its name though.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    the list is growing of things to have corrected at the next oil change: windshield wipers whining loudly and even making a sort of abrasive sound - not confidence inspiring; rear view mirror (inside) wobbles a lot on city streets, so much I can't tell how far things behind me are; both A-pillar panels are rattling and buzzing most of the time now, and the top lid of the console has a broken hinge...disappointing for me given my past experience of Toyota..."they don't make 'em like they used to"? Or "darn GM for those cheap interior pieces"? Or neither?

    Mine was a year old a week ago Friday.

    May be my last new Toyota...drove a Civic SI today - was most impressed by engine pick-up and rattle-freedness!

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • a. Don't blame GM. Toyota approved every piece inside that car. If Toyota did not want to use them, they would have changed them. It's not even built in the same factory as the Vibe. Suppliers vary, as well. Toyota is responsible for the Matrix, not GM. Just as GM is responsible for the Vibe, not Toyota.

    b. You might want to look at the relative reliability of the Civic before you jump. It's no Toyota. Then again, some say the Matrix isn't either...
  • Mine's an 04 and I am hoping that most of these niggling little issues were fixed. No rattles yet.

    Wipers are a wear item. Have you changed them at all in a year or is it the wiper motors you are having a problem with?

    Was the SI new? Most new cars are pretty good about "rattlefreeness".
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    most new cars are rattle-free, eh?! Mine wasn't, but the only rattle it came with was fixed after two tries by the dealership. Since then, several others have come and gone and I haven't minded, but these A-pillars are now persistent.

    As to the wipers, I was referring to the motor, not the blades.

    Yup, the SI was new...only things the SI owners here at Edmunds have had problems with seem to be weak hand brake (I always park in gear anyway) and oil consumption at 1 quart/3K, which I expect in any Honda.

    Nothing the Matrix has done gives me any indication that its mechanical reliability will be anything less than all the millions of corollas that have gone before it, and I very much appreciate that. But one can also be niggled to death by minor repairs like these wipers and broken trim or latches, and really at 20K I would hope NOT to have stuff like that yet. I hardly even use that console-top storage compartment...

    ...on the plus side, I am finding as some others have mentioned that the Continental tires give a good ride while seeming to have great longevity...extrapolating from current wear, I would think I would be able to get 50K out of 'em, no sweat.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • Seems rather strange that my "business vehicle",supposed piece of GM crap Sunfire with 45K on the clock has nary a squeek or rattle (or ANY other problem to date)runs like a watch (love that 2.2 Ecotec)and my wife's Vibe has all kinds of niggling quality control glitches, paint probs,buzzes and rattles galore !! What gives ? Are the Toyota Q /C folks @ the NUMMI plant asleep or what ?

    HUD :):)
  • What is the console-top storage compartment you are referring to? The upper armrest thing?
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    well hud, I think those are GM Q/C folks on the Pontiac line at NUMMI aren't they?! :-)

    I have not driven the Sunfire with the ecotec, but I have driven the cavalier extensively with the previous engine, and I can say with much assuredness that between those two, I picked right! There are two components to any car, how well it is designed, and then how well the design is executed. For me, the problem with sunfire/cav was its design, whereas the problems I have had with the Matrix have all been in the execution...and again, thank goodness the mechanical reliability has been there as I expected when I bought it.

    yeah, the thing I was referring to was the upper armrest thingy...there is the deep compartment down below where I keep all my CDs, and then there is the shallow storage on top of that. The hinge of the lid to the shallow storage has broken, and will have to be replaced, as now when I open it the door swings over and rubs against the seat.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • NUMMI is a partnership. The employees work for a corporation half owned by Toyota, half by GM.

    NUMMI employees are NOT solely GM employees.
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  • John: There are Q /C people on site not only from Toyota and GM but from most of their suppliers as well, especially Delphi too.

    Nippon: Don't get me wrong I in no way think that the Sunfire / Cav. combo can even come near the design and execution of the Vibe / Matrix. But it does seem strange that the GM "twins" having been born @ one of GM's worst assembly plants have far fewer problems, in my case anyway, than the so highly acclaimed Toyota quality. I have also noticed that Hyundai's fit and finish has pulled equal to and in the case of the three Sonatas we have in our fleet exceeded that of whati see in the Camry. I am anxious to get a gander at the 2004 Suzuki "Verona" which is a Daewoo clone I think. From what I saw of the Daewoo stuff it did not have half bad fit & finish. Daewoo was more a victim of poor marketing / management than being poor cars. Still see a lot of them on the road.

    HUD :):)
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    of course being tongue in cheek about the whole QC thing...

    the only Daewoo I ever drove was a test drive in a Nubira, which was definitely a second-rate car at the time. But, that was several years ago.

    I am already seeing ads in print for the new Suzuki sedan...will be interested to see what it looks like in person.

    I am usually someone who keeps cars for a while, out past 100K, but if the Matrix continues to have these little problems with minor broken stuff and more rattles over the next few years, this might be the first one I trade sooner...

    ...I am glad that it is still fun to drive at least...a year of driving has not worn off the fun! :-)

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • I am enjoying my matrix. I think I got the perfect compromise car if that makes any sense. I have a zippy, agile, and fun car that also has cargo versatility. It reminds me a lot of the fun I had with my old 84 Scirocco which only had half the horsepower. My son likes it and has asked if he can drive it when he's 20 (in 12 years). I hope it lasts that long.
  • I'm curious about the Suzuki station wagon, which I have heard is available in 4WD.

    Other than the twilight sensor, which was replaced and now seems to work very nicely, I haven't experienced problems like those reported by nippononly on our '03 4WD Matrix. My wife is the primary driver, but I tend to drive it at least once a week. I find the door to the little vertical compartment near the floor (underneath where the radio is) to be a bit of a pain -- that's where I keep my glasses case when I'm driving. But we don't have any rattles, or other things that other Matrix owners have experienced.

    I bought new Honda station wagons in 1977 and 1979, and a friend has always had Hondas up until a year ago. Our experience has been that they are very reliable but that you start having to put a good bit of money into them after about 90K miles, and getting Honda to take care of things under warrenty or shortly thereafter has not been pleasant. I'd hesitate to buy another Honda at this point.
  • I was wondering does the seats that fold down come out also or just fold down.
    Brent
  • Just fold down.
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