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Toyota Matrix



  • capitanocapitano Posts: 509
    punctured one and had it repaired. No problems in the 7,000 miles since.
  • thelthel Posts: 767
    But it was a large leak and I think that the sidewalls were scuffed up pretty bad.
  • deg856deg856 Posts: 120
    I often see the Matrix as a racy looking compact minivan. If it had sliding rear doors (can't beat it for ease of access inside a two-car garage), then there would truly be nothing else like it in the US market. Take out the front center armrest/storage bin to creat a walk-thru? It'd be nice but then I'd miss the storage space.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    I was pulled up behind a Matrix yesterday, and there was a Previa in the next lane to it, and do you know the roof height is almost the same? And the length too.

    The first time my 60-year-old father saw my Matrix, he turned to me with a blank stare and said "why do you need a minivan?"

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • deg856deg856 Posts: 120
    Most vehicles have a fairly flat and some what symmetrical roofline profile (view from the side). The Matrix’s roofline, on the other hand, reaches maximum height above the driver’s head and drops off sharply toward the back. The sharp front-to-back tapering profile is made even more pronounced visually with the wrap around glass treatment in the D-pillar. I think this is what makes it look “odd” to most people, but you know which other car has this kind of roofline profile? Take a look at a 350Z. A silver 350Z parked next to my silver Matrix this morning. It made me go, “hmmm,” when I saw the profiles of the two cars next to each other. Not saying they’re the same, but they’re in the same neighborhood compared to anything else.
  • deg856deg856 Posts: 120
    When viewed from the front or the rear, my Matrix does not look much smaller than my wife’s 2001 Sienna in width or height. In reality the Sienna feels MUCH roomier inside they are not even close. With adult passengers only I’d take the Matrix (more economical and more fun to drive), but when small kids are involved I’d much rather take the Sienna. This may seem counter-intuitive but adults seat themselves, where as little kids need to be “moved” so you need a lot more room to maneuver. The Sienna (or any minivan) isn’t much longer overall, but it has a much shorter hood so real passenger space is much longer than any car/wagon/SUV of comparable size. Certain people have an image problem with minivans but their brilliance in packaging efficiency simply can’t be beat.
  • steine13steine13 Posts: 2,411
    Right on.
    We've got a Vibe and a Sienna, and I agree completely. There is at least twice the useful space in the minivan. We really work this thing; my wife does antique shows, we use it for trips, I've taken 5 close friends canoeing (2 boats on top, six paddles and assorted gear)... the Vibe is much more fun to drive and uses significantly less gas, but minivans are great.

    REALLY great is a 1995 SWB Chevy or Dodge fullsize van. 180in. long and double the inside space of a minivan...

    BTW I don't know what you guys are doing with your cars, but in short-distance commuting, I get 25 mpg at best, and that's in warm weather and with a five-speed. Never seen 30 mpg yet.

  • deg856deg856 Posts: 120
    Read back a few posts and you'll see that I got from 32 to 35 mpg from the last three tanks on my XR FWD auto. I've also described my commute and the way I drive.

    There's a long list of things need to be known before we can begin to compare gas mileage. How short is your commute? What's the traffic like? How long does it take to cover that distance? How much idling? Surface street or freeway? At what rpm do you upshift? How hard do you brake? How much load? What's the tire pressure?
  • capitanocapitano Posts: 509
    I averaged around 25-27 mpg in my XRS in Virginia. My daily commute was about 19 miles and about 15 of that was highway cruising with no traffic problems. On long trips I've hit 31 and 32 mpg.

    Here in Miami, with all the sitting at traffic lights with the AC on I've been getting 20mpg. I don't help the situation by gunning it when I get a chance either.
  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    I don't quite care much about my mpg, I simply gun it at every chance I get. This car loves to zoom, and worrying about mpg is flat out not using the car to its optimum. Do your regular service, take care of the car, and let it rip !!
  • thelthel Posts: 767
    I guess it's been a while since we a had a gas mileage post-fest so here I go.

    I've been getting about 27 mpg on average driving it like I stole it and seeing redlines fairly frequently. The best I've gotten is the low 30's on all highway driving.
  • deg856deg856 Posts: 120
    Need some enlightment please - what's the point of having a little 1.8L 4-banger if getting high mpg is not the main reason?
  • thelthel Posts: 767
    In my case it has to do with the 8,000+ RPM redline, the 6-speed manual, and 173 hp in a sub-3,000 lb car that I can use to haul 10 left-over cases of bottled water from the Prom this last weekend. The fact that I get mid-upper 20's mpg is merely icing on the cake for me. I'd be OK if it was in the lower 20's (see WRX).
  • deg856deg856 Posts: 120
    My outside temperature thermometer was reading low (by about 10 degrees) right after a commercial car wash, but it seemed to be back to normal a day later. I figured the car wash (with high pressure air for drying) got the temperature sensor wet and messed up the reading, and it was fine after the water dried up. I'm guessing this temperature sensor is in front of the radiator. Does anyone know what it looks like and exactly where it is?
  • stillageekstillageek Posts: 101
    If you pop the hood and look straight down you can see the gauge. It sits directly infront of the radiator. I think its an odd place for it, but it works.
  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    Yeah.... I don't care about mpg. Why ? Its all relative. With a gaz-guzzler, v8-powered Sequoia getting a measly 15mpg, and another v8-powered LS400, getting a measly 18mpg, whatever I get from a little 1.8L 4-banger engine is a blessing. That's why it ain't that important. By my last fill-up, with a lead-foot, the Trix is getting only about 24mpg. Adequate, not stellar, but I cannot complain, compared to the other two cars in the stable....See, where I'm coming from ?
  • deg856deg856 Posts: 120
    XR auto FWD. 1789 mi total. 354.6 mi on last tank. 11.300 gal fill up. -> 31.38 mpg. I think the slight drop from before is due to higher cruing speed; 60-65 mph before; 65-70 mph now.

    OAC: I see where you're coming from. I bought the Matrix because I wanted to break away from the sub to low 20 mpg that I've been getting forever from all the cars/truck/minivan for a change, so I drive to maximize my mpg within reason. It's like a game, and it's not so much paying less for gas but the satisfaction of having something that works so efficiently. I'm happy as long as I can keep it over 30 mpg.
  • herzogtum71herzogtum71 Posts: 470
    For the first 15,000 miles was 26.7 mpg. Around 30 mpg when strictly highway driving.
  • jetgrrljetgrrl Posts: 1
    I was shopping for an Outback when I realized no way in heck can I afford the $20k it's going to cost to get me into the new one. Tried an Outback sport and didn't like the ride. Tride a Mazda3 hatch and liked the ride but my mechanic has warned me off Mazdas. So now I'm looking at the Matrix. I'm interested in what people's experience has been iwh the Matrix in general and the AWD in particular, especially if you can compare to the Outback. Thanks.
  • steine13steine13 Posts: 2,411
    If you cannot afford a new Outback, chances are you cannot afford a used one. These are strong in the used market, esp. in Boston, and need plenty of maintenance -- nothing terrible, but when you add it all up, a new '04 with all the discounts is about as cheap over the long haul as it's going to get.
    Legacy? Save $2k, same car, it's worth a thought.

    If money is that tight, forget the AWD. Get a Matrix and an extra set of snow tires, make sure it has ABS, get the stick for a little added fun, and you've got yourself a $16k runabout that isn't likely to need $$ thrown at it any time soon. I own a Vibe, and it's fairly loud, there's a buzz from the dash, and otherwise it's a well-handling, fun-to-drive little runabout that gets near 30 mpg and will hold its value fairly well.

    If money is REALLY tight -- or if you want to keep it from getting that way -- get a $6 2001 Prizm.

    Follow the link in my profile to an exhausting analysis of the subject...

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