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Toyota Matrix



  • sgmsgm Posts: 23
    No meaningful changes in 05 and 06's. Air and heat works fine and no squeaks or rattles, etc, after 4,000 miles on both of our Matrix. We have two XR's with automatics. No antilock brakes or side air bags. You have to add certain packages to get those options.

    During this winter, mpg as not been as advertised, but with warmer temps it is improving.

    We are most happy with both of them. Both RED - one with dark grey seats and the other with light grey!

    At least in our area they are competing their twice a year $1000 coupon sale - Toyota is taking $1000 off your best deal. I think it ends 3/13.

    I had my dealer order in our second one to coincide with the sale at Thanksgiving. Got both at invoice, but the second one at $1000 under invoice using the coupon sale.

  • joey0708joey0708 Posts: 39
    i thought the corolla and the matrix would be the same . why are there so many bad things with the matrix?do the corollas have the same problems?that is why i would buy the matrix they say it has the corolla engine, that has a proven record. maybe they are not the same either.
  • path4path4 Posts: 24
    Although I thought buying the matrix was a big mistake for various reasons, I must add it has served me 2 years without any problem. But, my friends' corollas have all sorts of problems. They are not old at all, less than 100K miles, about 5-7 years. One had a blown engine. One shakes badly on highway. Another one had needed $1000/year repair for 3 years. The only good one never had a problem in 5 years from 50K miles to 100K mikes. But it is extremely noisey, like in an airplane. So, from my experience, I am not convinced corollas are quality cars.
  • petlpetl Posts: 610
    Concerning the problems with the Corollas, you have to look at possible causes. Was the one with a blown engine maintained properly (oil changes, etc.)? The one that shakes badly, how are the tires, balancing, wheel alignment, struts, shocks, etc. (was it somehow damaged)? On the third one, what kinds of repairs were needed? Were they needed because of neglect? I'm not saying Corollas are trouble free. However, blanket statements without description or explanations are sometimes misleading.
  • pecclespeccles Posts: 52
    The current Matrix with a 4 speed automatic is rated at 34/28 mpg while the Camry with the 2.4L and 5 speed auto is rated at 34/24 mpg. If the Matrix keeps its 400lb weight advantage, it could have actually better highway gas mileage than it does now and should be able to keep its city mileage with the new 2.4L and 5 speed auto.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,426
    Aerodynamics hurts the hwy mileage much more than weight. I doubt the Matrix would be better than Camry on the hwy.
  • path4path4 Posts: 24
    People who buy corollas are people who value their hard earned a few thousand dollars and they protect their purchase. People who don't maintain their cars are living in Hollywood. My friends never changed oil, neved rotated or balanced the tires, they floored the gas padel whenever possible, they drove in the 2 and L gear, they loved to hit pitholes, they used AC in winter and heat in summar, they fill 93 gas and sometimes added nitro. I am really proud of them.
  • hmarhmar Posts: 15
    I've just ordered an XR, 5-spd manual, with the All-Weather and Special Value #1 (cruise control, fog lights, etc.). What did it for me (the upgrade to XR) had nothing to do with 115v outlets (a nice touch, though), or color coded handles - it's all about the power mirrors. It's really a sleazy bit of marketing on the part of Toyota that they make a power package available with the Base Matrix that powers up everything but the mirrors. Manual mirrors didn't matter on my '84 Civic Hatchback because it only had the one mirror on the driver's side, but when you need to make the passenger's side right, you can go nuts doing it manually. Toyota makes you pay quite a bit more for that upgrade.
    Incidentally, all Corollas come with power mirrors, showing just how deliberate this was on the part of Toyota.
  • petlpetl Posts: 610
    Your reply, which really doesn't make much sense, explains that you know very little about the buying public. Many people, regardless how much they make or where they live, do not maintain their vehicles. There was nothing wrong with the questions. It helps determine the cause of problems (if people are honest). The sarcasm was a little funny, very little. Incidentally, there is nothing wrong in running the AC in the winter and the heat in the summer (if you can stand it). I'm sure you are (proud of them).
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 5,854
    Please stick to discussing the Matrix and not each other please. No need to turn things persoanl.

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  • jcnaderjcnader Posts: 3
    Coolant can become corrosive over time depending on many factors. The Toyota dealer would not necessarily flush the coolant system and replace the permanent anti-freeze at 82K miles unless their customer asked for this service. We might all learn something here. There might be some risk in not flushing the coolant system earlier than recommended. Anyone know when Toyota recommends a flush?
  • herzogtum71herzogtum71 Posts: 469
    The service department at my dealer recommends flushing the coolant at 30,000 miles. Just had it done a month ago on our '03 Matrix.
  • jcnaderjcnader Posts: 3
    Interesting answer from a professional regarding the coolant flushing question. Click this link for the explanation:
  • capitanocapitano Posts: 509
    Funny, I find my XRS is very stable in a straight line.

    On a business trip I ended up with a Jeep Wrangler. It was squirrelly and wanted to pull to the right all the time. The passenger side front tire was severely underinflated. Putting air in the tire corrected the problem.
  • luvmbootyluvmbooty Posts: 271
    Why does these manufactures insist on building only compact wagons or hatchbacks? I want a large interior volume, versitility, fuel economy, good crash tests, and descent power all under 25000! I think of all manufacturers Toyota can come through! I don't want an SUV because of MPGs suck, especially since gas prices will be sky high in the coming summer! The VVT engine in the 2007 Camry and 2006 Avalon gets a good ratio of power to MPG(268 Horse power/22/31 MPG). I think the 2007 Camry make a hot looking 5 door hatchback! Any comments?
  • capitanocapitano Posts: 509
    I like wagons too. But the market has spoken and wagons just don't sell. Honda had an Accord wagon a few years back and there was aq Camry wagon too. They were discontinued several years ago. I applaud Mazda for bringing the Mazda6 Wagon to market. I would have seriously considered one if they were available when I was in the market.

    Wagons were the original image killer. Minivans took over in the 80s as the vehicle for boring family people. That's why everyone gets SUVs: for the image. Europe has discovered the sport wagon as a good combination of sport and utility, but like here, most are compact.
  • luvmbootyluvmbooty Posts: 271
    I think it's time for everybody to wake up and smell the gasoline! SUVs like the dinosaur are a thing of the past! It's time to bring back the wagon! Wake up SUV people!
  • herzogtum71herzogtum71 Posts: 469
    The Accord and Camry wagons were discontinued in the USA many years ago. It's time to bring them back. The Camry wagon still is marketed in other countries. It wouldn't cost an arm and a leg to reintroduce left-hand steering wheels if that's an issue and sell them here again.

    I too was awaiting the Mazda6 wagon, but it turns out to have only marginally more cargo space than my 1994 Corolla wagon had. Gas mileage figures also weren't all that good. I ended up getting a 4-cylinder Highlander with much more room and close to the same fuel efficiency. I still like our 2003 Matrix, but the cargo space isn't big enough to travel comfortably with 2 adults and 2 teenagers.

    IMHO it's a problem when you can't find a vehicle that provides both cargo space and fuel efficiency. Even some of the SUVs have less cargo space than the '94 Corolla wagon (e.g., Mitsubishi Outlander). I think the only wagon on the market today with EPA ratings above 30 mpg is the Ford Focus wagon. It has a good cargo area but no rear head restraints. When I was looking there also was the mid-size Saturn wagon, which had some major problems, and the Volvo V30, which required premium fuel. The Saturn and V30 are no longer on the market.
  • luvmbootyluvmbooty Posts: 271
    I agree about bringing back the Camry and Accord wagons. Especially the Camry since the 2007s engine gets such good gas mileage of 22 city and 31 highway and has 268 horses under the hood! What sedan can compare with that? Not to mention, I think the Camry is more reasonably priced.

    As for the moment, I like the Chevy Malibu Maxx. It has 22 cubic feet luggage volume, 106 cubic feet passenger volume, 60/40 folding rear seats doubling cargo space, a fold flat front passenger seat, and gets 22 mpg city / 30 mpg Highway. Only set back is horsepower is limited to 201 at 5600 rpm, but gets 221 lbs-ft of torque at 3200 rpms. gave Malibu a silver rating and JD Power overall score was 5 out of 5 circles! I'd say the best alternative to SUVs!
  • herzogtum71herzogtum71 Posts: 469
    Yes, I forgot about the Maxx. The 22 cubic feet is about the same as the Matrix, which in 2003 was listed as 21.8 cubic feet behind the rear seat. Too small for my needs, but with the rear seat folded down the Maxx does offer more cargo space than the Matrix.
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