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Toyota Matrix

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  • montanafanmontanafan Posts: 945
    One issue that has come up with Vibes, is that the cars are shipped with the tire pressures very high and need to be lowered at delivery. High tire pressure could effect the ride/handling. Perhaps you might check there.
  • wfriendwfriend Posts: 2
    I just purchased a 2003 XR 5 speed.The dealer said the engine is a new design and that oil changes are only required every 5000 miles instead of 3000. This is helpful when you put 28,000 miles a year on a car but everything I ever read about oil says to change it every 3000 miles. Your comments are appreciated.
  • petlpetl Posts: 610
    We've had our 4WD XR for 1 year. It too, is rock solid on the highway. It may not be as quiet or as quick as my 2002 Camry XLE but it is an extremely solid performer with acceptable performance. It sure has more character. Incidentally, the recent Consumer Reports rates the Matrix 4WD ahead of the CRV in its overall comparison test. Only the Forester and the RAV are ranked higher. The bottom line is... the Matrix is a great alternative to an SUV. It can accommodate 4 adults comfortably, it’s flexible interior is second to none, gas mileage is great (compared to the other vehicles in this category), it is less expensive to insure and it is the least expensive vehicle in the test group. I am over 50 years old and no one in my family swings from trees. Too bad, it might have kept us away from the snakes on the ground.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,692
    I don't think the engine has changed in any appreciable way that has influenced oil change intervals...this engine has been around in its basic form since 1997...and Toyota's published oil change intervals have been 5K miles since earlier than that, almost a decade now...

    I have always felt 5K is a fine oil change interval, with no ill effects so far, and that is what I practice on the Matrix too...

    petl: so I am curious, what is your average mpg with the AWD?

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • microrepairmicrorepair Eastern MassachusettsPosts: 508
    Hmm, my XR does just fine at 75-80 mph. Sure it doesn't feel heavy and solid like a Mercedes (I have one of those too) but is certainly does not feel unstable.

    If this car was designed for the young and lean, Toyota missed it's mark completely. I am well over fifty and well over 200 pounds and well over 6 foot tall. I marvel at how comfortable I am in the XR. Keep in mind that the XR has a height adjustment for the driver's seat. The base model does not.

    And it is fun to drive; as someone a few notes ago said, "It has character."
  • phankanephankane Posts: 57
    I was wrong in assumming that some people are still living on trees.
    And I also wrong to assume that Trix is for young people.
    With the accummulation of baggage of life over the years. It really helps the stability due to lowering of center of gravity.

    I will put few sandbags on my Trix I guess..hehe
  • herzogtum71herzogtum71 Posts: 470
    My dealer recommends changing the oil every 3,750 miles.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,692
    taken their non-XRS over 100 mph? How high will it go? I need to take a road trip someplace where there is minimal law enforcement and miles of open highways with little traffic (I am thinking, Nevada!) and see what it can do. But I would love to hear of anyone who has already tried it out.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • pulgopulgo Posts: 400
    Your dealer is after your money. He wants to see you often and sell you unnecessary services.
    Let me suggest the following. Change your oil with a good synthetic oil like Mobil 1 or Amsoil.
    Then use that oil for at least 7.5k miles and then do an oil analysis.
    I know, this is a little bit much and expensive for most people, but if you do it at least once the oil analysis results will tell you what the correct oil change interval with your usage pattern is. From then on you don't need expensive analyses any more.
  • hurler4hurler4 Posts: 104
    Has anyone had any problems with the high beltline in the Matrix? I've been reading several reviews on the Matrix and most of them complain about a lack of visibility in the rear because of the small windows. And they say people in the back seat can really feel boxed in.

    Is the beltline about the same height in the Vibe?
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,692
    identical in this respect (Vibe and Matrix).

    Anyone who has owned a current gen celica (as I have) will never think anything else EVER has limited visibility!! Matrix has good visibility as far as I am concerned. The rear seat is very spacious with big windows and doors, and when I have sat there, I have never felt anything remotely like "boxed in". It is the best rear seat of any of the four-door hatches currently available.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • oac3oac3 Posts: 373
    Honestly, my top speed has not exceeded 100mph YET :) My test roads were the freeways abundant here in So Cal. I am not sure Nevada is that generous, maybe you want to try Montana ?? Let me know how the "experimentation" goes. I sure will like an opportunity to further "re-test" the Trix beyond its elements....

    phankane: you are sure resilient. Always willing to sling shots at people. Please yourself, but be ready to take shots too. It goes both ways. Hopefully, you'll just go away and get rid of that Trix of yours cos it's no good for you. You being young, lean and all.... and many of us owners being old, fat, and tall and laden with excess "... baggage of life ..."

    Life is fun, some just can't seem to find a way to enjoy it !
  • maxx4memaxx4me Posts: 1,340
    oac: I did 100 for the first time (twice) in my life in Nevada heading from San Diego to Las Vegas. The state police escorted all of us at 85. While I made my wife nervous, I figured there was plenty of desert to pull off into should I have a blow out or emergency.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,692
    that while Matrix does not exactly zip up past the 90 mph mark, it DOES have a lot more to give north of that speed, albeit at a slow rate of increase...I like Nevada because it has stretches of 50 miles at a time that are perfectly straight with no entry or exit points...good if you really want to stretch your legs! :-)

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • matthew525matthew525 Posts: 52
    Speed, the nature of excitement. Having driven 245KPH on German autobahns in a BMW525i, you just get a rush - - even for the over 40 crowd. Driven my XRS 95+ on I95 on the way to DC. Thankfully the local posse wasn't around. Stable and fun but not quite the rush as in Germany. Just a friendly reminder, minor driving mistakes are exponentially magnified by greater speeds.
  • pulgopulgo Posts: 400
    Are you sure that was 245? According to the German BMW website the top speed is 238.
  • matthew525matthew525 Posts: 52
    Having lived their from 82-88, I can tell you that I often got passed by 600 and 700 series BMW, Porches, and even motorcycles. I was back there for vacation in 00 and didn't see anything of the sort. Yet, my friends who visit there often have told me that they've slowed things down near the cities and it would not surprise me that they've capped the top speeds. One of the draw backs of when the wall fell. Sacrifices must be made.
  • phankanephankane Posts: 57
    I was only teasing, don't take it too personally.
    Trix is a decent box.
  • mpg5mpg5 Posts: 68
    considering purchase of an XRS, but mildly concerned with lack of low end torque. does anyone have performance numbers and/or cost of supercharger installed. also, how bad are these dash rattles that seem to be cropping up in matrix's, and are they fixed by dealer? rattles on new cars tend to drive me crazy. especially when the dealer can't seem to hear them when in for service (murphy's law, perhaps?). thanks in advance.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,692
    numbers I saw for the TRD supercharger kit was $3815, with output of 172 bhp. You can figure on five to six hours of install time at local rates, whatever they are in your area, and depending on where you take it. (I believe that if you want the vehicle warranty not to be voided, you have to have a Toyota dealer install it, but you should check me on that - TRD will have the info if you contact them directly or go look at trdusa.com).

    As far as rattles, I still get the occasional vibration or buzz coming and going, nothing persistent any more, and the dealer fixed the two I had that WERE persistent. If this is a big problem for you, and you decide to buy the Matrix, you should take out the ACTUAL CAR you will be purchasing for a long test drive with the radio off, and listen carefully for anything that might bother you.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • mpg5mpg5 Posts: 68
    BTW, which are you driving, XR or XRS? if XRS, do you find the power adequate? i think i'm going to buy one as the XRS can be had (if you find a 2003) for under invoice. i'm looking for silver with all options except NAV.
  • stillageekstillageek Posts: 101
    I have the XRS six speed and find the torque, while low, isn't enough of a negative to mark it off the list. The supercharger is for the XR only! This is a negative as the XR (for 2003 anyway) came with drum brakes only. With the extra power I would like disc below me. I haven't had any rattles (mfg date 10/02 delivered 11/02) from the dash or anywhere else for that matter.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,692
    an XR, and power is just OK, but fuel economy is outstanding, and that is a big plus for me - I do a lot of driving.

    If anyone is concerned about braking with the S/C upgrade, TRD also has a "large brake kit" (4-wheel) that you can sub in for all Matrix, XR and XRS. The only thing I don't know is whether you have to have the 17" rims in order for the discs to fit. There is a sway bar kit available too.

    The S/C applied to the base engine will definitely provide more low-end torque than the optional engine does. But that is a double-edged sword if you are someone who likes to keep the engine screaming! :-)

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • mpg5mpg5 Posts: 68
    i like to throw a car into turns (offramps etc..) and cruise at 75-80 mph. love to row through the gears as well. seems like this will be a very fun car to rev and run through gears. how smooth at 80mph on highway and is suspension set up for tossing the car into corners (i'm getting the 17's as option or aftermarket if/when i buy). how do you like the stereo? and if you have sunroof, how noisy is it when open? thanks.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,692
    is super-quiet when open, even at freeway speeds.

    This car is fun to drive fast through corners, but you will notice the body roll. That is doubtless why they came up with an aftermarket sway bar kit. OTOH, it is hard to shake loose - excellent grip. And I have the 16s...with the 17s, the ride gets firmer, and I think they have wider tires too.

    The flip side is, it is pretty smooth on the highway at high speeds, although bad pavement or concrete joints will have you bucking and thrumming some.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • hurler4hurler4 Posts: 104
    I know that Toyota TRD has a strut tower brace a well as the anti-sway bars. Will this also help lessen body roll? What's the difference in what the brace does compared to the anti-sway bars?
  • mpg5mpg5 Posts: 68
    i appreciate all of the feedback. will keep you posted on my search for my new XRS.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,692
    the sway bars eliminate body roll, but in doing so they cause more torsion to the body of the car (due to laws of physics - the forces causing that body roll have to go someplace). The strut tower brace for under the hood is partly to compensate for this - it ties together two points that would otherwise be getting twisted away from each other.

    This is one car that could definitely benefit from a sway bar kit - I have been thinking of getting them, but only if I go whole-hog and get the S/C as well...and of course the brake kit. No way am I going to all that trouble and keeping the rear drums!

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • stillageekstillageek Posts: 101
    I have a strut tower brace (non TRD) on my XRS and could tell an immediate difference on a freeway cloverleaf off-ramp. When the sign says 30 I can comfortably take it as 45-50 without my spouse getting scared. I mgiht have been able to take it at the same speed before, but I feel more at ease now. The body doesn't shift much if at all. I find it hard to see any body roll now. Installation a breeze. I am computer geek, not a car guy and it took about 25 minutes with at least 10 minutes of me trying to find the right size tool.
  • hurler4hurler4 Posts: 104
    ...where did you get the brace? I'm thinking of getting the TRD one, since it's not too expensive. Does the brace block anything like filters, hoses, etc.? It's just a matter of tightening bolts or screws to install it? Did you also get the anti-sway bars?
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