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Toyota Matrix

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  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    be an emissions thing!! :-)

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • I am picking up my new toy today. After having had a Honda Civic for 16 years and 114,000 miles I went with a new Mercury Tracer. Bad mistake. After94,000 miles & 5 years of mini problems that just didn't quite get done right, I am looking forward to having a long-lasting relationship with my shiny new Matrix. Will post more after I have driven it awhile.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    that yellow on the Matrix! Congrats! :-)

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • I just got a '04 matrix xr 4wheel drive fully loaded(sunroof, 6-disc changer, automatic, power windows-locks-mirrors, mats w/cargomat, bumper protector, underbody spoilers, fog lights and cruise control). msrp $20,220. got it for $18,500. is this a good price?
  • We got our '03 Matrix 4WD for a bit less than that but without some of your features. I'd say you got a reasonable deal on a popular car. In our case we went through the local dealer rather than the AAA buying plan, where we may have saved a few bucks, because the dealer was willing to price the vehicle at a percentage above the factory invoice.
  • amiroamiro Posts: 1
    Hi everybody, I'm looking for a car with decent cargo space with the seats up (we're getting a dog), and I came across the Matrix. I'm confused though, because I've seen 2 numbers referred to. The mfr specs say 21.8 cu. feet, but many places say it's about 15 feet, big difference. Yahoo Autos says it's the difference between EPA (what's that?) and mfr specs.

    Thanks for any clarification.

    The Protege5 has about 20, if I'm correct, and the Golf hatchback about 18, so they're a bit on the small side I think.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    in the Matrix is not seats up, but seats DOWN: 53 cubic feet of space. It can carry a lot of stuff when those seats are down. I think that is almost as much as the Explorer and other midsize SUVs.

    As for the discrepancy, I think Toyota's figure with seats up (21.8) includes the underfloor storage bin in the far back. It can hold quite a bit. But the EPA number only includes what is above the floorboards, so to speak. And the Matrix has a sloped hatch which limits space behind the back seat more than in those others you named, like Golf, which is more squareish. So it depends on how much you like to stack stuff up to the roof.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • This is the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, which is involved with comparative rating of vehicles sold in this country -- cargo volume, passanger volume, miles per gallon, etc.

    I haven't looked at the Golf for quite a while, but I think it might be a bit smaller than the Matrix. The under-floor storage that nippononly mentions is good only for certain things. It's big enough for a tire pump, the hold-down brackets and tonneau cover that come with the car, and other smaller items. Not big enough for a duffle bag or anything like that.

    If the dog you are getting is any size at all, you might want to look at the RAV-4. Toyota lists the cargo area behind the rear seat as 29.2 cubic feet. It's not as fuel efficient as the Matrix, but it's not bad either.
  • I recently purchased a 2004 XRS with no sunroof and the cassette/CD stereo for 17,300 so I think that price of 18,500 for AWD, sunroof and CD Changer sounds like a fair price.
  • steine13steine13 Posts: 2,426
    (and I'll post this in the Vibe group as well)...
    .. I just got a new Vibe, and I really really really like it, more so than I thought I would.

    I was hauling 3 seats from my wife's smashed minivan in the back, with plenty room to spare. Impressive.

    But my question: I heard some nasty cracking sounds while I was crawling around the back getting stuff in place... is the load floor meant to hold a person? I'm 180, maybe 190 pounds, and when most of that rests on one knee, I'm not sure that's a good idea... does anyone have any insight here?

    TIA -Mathias
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    I have sat back there, and I weigh - ahem - SIGNIFICANTLY more than you (;-P) and I have not heard any cracking. It always seemed really sturdy to me. Perhaps a review of the manual is in order, although I am sure you could reasonably be expected to carry more than 200 pounds of gear back there from time to time - the total weight rating for the car is enough for 4 people and a bunch of gear, I remember that much.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • I own a Highlander and am looking at a Matrix. I'm 6'3 with a 33-inch inseam and long torso, so headroom and legroom are always an issue. I found the following dimensions for the two vehicles. Is it really possible that the Matrix has MORE front headroom AND legroom than the Highlander?

    Bud

    Matrix
    Front Head Room: 40.6 in.
    Front Hip Room: 51.7 in.
    Front Shoulder Room: 53.2 in.
    Front Leg Room: 41.8 in.

    Highlander
    Front Head Room: 40 in.
    Front Hip Room: 55.1 in.
    Front Shoulder Room: 57.9 in.
    Front Leg Room: 40.7 in.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    having driven the HL quite a bit (and owning a Matrix). You will notice that Matrix is a bit narrower (but by no means confining) but is very spacious for the driver and all the passengers.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • oac3oac3 Posts: 373
    I weigh much less than you and Nippon, at ONLY 160Ibs, and have sat on the cargo area numerous times while tailgating with friends and my kids out in the park. I have never heard any cracking or crunching sound. It felt solid to my rear behind :) Maybe there is a diff b/w the Trix cargo design and the Vibe ? Dunno tho'. Should have gotten the Trix :)
  • mikusmikus Posts: 109
    <steine13>
    I heard some nasty cracking sounds while I was crawling around the back getting stuff in place... is the load floor meant to hold a person? I'm 180, maybe 190 pounds, and when most of that rests on one knee, I'm not sure that's a good idea... does anyone have any insight here?
    </steine13>
    pressure = force / square. Middle school, 6th grade.
  • steine13steine13 Posts: 2,426
    Thanks, just what I was looking for.
    -Mathias
    [Check my profile]
  • mikusmikus Posts: 109
    ...so what did you expect? ;-) It is plastic, after all. Spread your weight, like Nippononly does ;-))
  • I was offered XR automatic, FW with many options without sunroof, alarm for $17400 OTD (3000 down + $400X36 months).
    Is it a fair deal? Should I take it?
    Thanks for your advise.
  • Anybody know why the Matrix has the lowest quality ratings of any Toyota?

    I was really disappointed to see them. What kinds of quality issues are there?
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    and rattles and vibrations, everywhere you look. At least, in mine. Everything else is cool. And I think they have managed to fix this a year in, at least according to others posting here.

    So far I have had three different ones fixed, but there are always more that crop up. The latest are the infamous dash squeak and moonroof rattle.

    The same problem has afflicted the first year Camrys and Corollas of the current gen. :-(

    Automobile mag has just completed their year with an XR - they are unthrilled with the powertrain (130 hp isn't enough for those hot-rodding auto mag editors, but on the flip side, they were very impressed with an overall mpg of 30 during their time with the car) and they had to have one rattle fixed themselves, but apart from that they seem to have liked it quite a bit.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • Any other comments on why the Matrix gets such low initial quality ratings?
  • Kinda ironic that the Matrix is screwed together @ a Toyota facility ( Canada) and exhibits all these quality problems but my Vibe comes from the NUMMI plant in California and has NO such problems and after close to 40k on the clock it is just as tight and rattle-free as the day I bought it. Since these vehicles are mechanically identical how do you account for such a non-typical lapse of quality on the part of the Canadian product? Maby they just do not put forth a maximum effort qualitywise on the cars they are shipping to the US. LOL !!

    The only issue I have with the Vibe is the sloppy / thin paint on the rear facia and the dealer will repaint it under warranty if I wish.

    HUD :):)
  • petlpetl Posts: 610
    We have had ours (XR 4WD) for 18 months. No squeaks, rattles or vibrations. Still feels solid. Had 3 minor defects at time of purchase (dealer repaired).
  • The Pontiac Vibe has the same drivetrain and tranny as the Matrix? It's really a Toyota underneath?
  • steine13steine13 Posts: 2,426
    Identical.
  • derosaderosa Posts: 10
    FYI:
    One thing Toyota is doing is adding standard options to optional equipment packages. For example:
    My '04 Matrix sticker list "Extra Value Package #2, which includes; aluminum wheels, moonroof, cruise, fog lamps, spoiler, and day and night inner mirror. Well, the "day and night inner mirror" is the "Day and night rearview mirror" which is standard equipment on all Matrix's. I wonder if the sticker was printed incorrectly or it's a marketing thing to show more stuff in the packages.
  • thermboy: take a look @ the latest issue of "Automobile" mag. They have a long term Matrix evaluation article that is interesting.

    They listed several comments from actual owners. One that made me LOL was one owner complained about the many squeeks and rattles that his car had that he was wondering IF the thing was a real Toyota. His previous car was a CAVALIER !!!Now if a Cavalier owner is complaining about squeeks and rattles Toyota is really in big trouble in the quality control dept. Really strange. The next biggest gripe was of course the lack of power.

    HUD :):)
  • thelthel Posts: 767
    Lunar mist, sunroof, 17's, cd-changer. Nice car overall. Good room in back. Quite a hoot to drive once you get over 6000 RPM's. I've put about 1100 miles on it in one week, but that includes a 3 hour trip from Kansas City.

    GOOD: 6-speed, cd-changer, versatility, rear leg room.

    BAD: Desperately needs a telescoping wheel. Clutch lets out a bit higher than I'm used to. Front leg room was tight, but I've fixed that (see below). Guages can be hard to read sometimes. Seating position is higher than I'd like, but that's the trend ***sigh***.

    MODS: Just one so far. The left foot rest had to go. It pops out easily w/o fasteners and I got about 2 inches more left leg room down there!! :D So anyone worried about front leg room should try removing their foot rest.

    BTW, my mileage so far has been in the upper 20's but I've only filled up twice.
  • sb55sb55 On an Island in VermontPosts: 185
    I test drove a basic 5 speed Vibe yesterday and it seemed quite "soft" and even loose around some corners. Just this morning I test drove a basic 5 speed Matrix, and it was much, much tighter (even "sporty"). The Vibe had continental tires and the Matrix had goodyears. Is the suspension different, or is it all related to the tires?
    Since the basic Matrix (not the XR) has less content than the Vibe, it works out to less $$, even with the current $2000. GM rebate.
    PS I have to assume that the tire pressures were set right.

    2007 Miata, 2010 BMW 535xiT, 2014 Chevy Silverado LT Ext. cab, 2006 Subaru Legacy Wagon

  • thelthel Posts: 767
    Was summed up pretty good by a Dilbert cartoon I saw the other day. The characters were trying to decide how to market their new $.29 widget (or whatever it was).

    They decided to price it at $1,000,000.29 and offer a mail in rebate of $1,000,000. In the end the widget (car) is worth what it's worth.
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