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Toyota Matrix

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  • deg856deg856 Posts: 120
    A hundred miles after the last fill-up my gas needle is still above the “F” mark – this means about 3 gallons are hidden above “F”. People typically think there are about 2 gallons left after the needle goes below “E” as a safety reserve. The total capacity of the tank is 13.2 gal, so if 3 are above F and 2 are below E, then there are only about 8 gal between F and E. I know why they do this, but still wish they made the gauge reading more linear to show the true quantity of gas in the tank.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    one thing Matrix needs to do with the next gen is break away from Corolla and become its own model. I mean, after all Matrix has more wind resistance and a few hundred pounds on the Corolla - it SHOULD have its own powertrain for base models.

    Even Corolla will have to jump up a bit in the next iteration - all of its major competitors except Civic are above 140 hp now.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • I'm planning to purchase a Jetta Wagon TDI with 5M, and I test drive it for two times, I like the German quality and safty.
    But today I cheked out that 05Matrix made some improvement and avaliable soon, I would like to test one and see how's going. Cause as a full-loaded XR, it still will be couple thousands cheaper.
    All I need is a city wagon, and have good MPG, safe and perform great in like 5 years. I do worry a little about the maintance of diesel engin. So, what's your guys opinion? Appreciated.
  • steine13steine13 Posts: 2,426
    Well, Vincent,
    Most of guys here on the 'trix group will feel, and I'm sure of this, that you should go with the VW. In part because your initials match...

    Seriously, though, these are two different animals. Drive both, see what you like. The only way I'd get the TDI is if I were doing well over 20k per year, or I REALLY wanted a Diesel. The Matrix is more plasticky and louder, you sit higher, it'll be much more reliable, and I don't know which ones is more fun to drive.

    I like both, but the only thing they have in common is the hatch and the 5speed....

    -Mathias
  • capitanocapitano Posts: 509
    The Jetta has the prettier interior, but its reliability will pale in comparison to the matrix.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    a Jetta wagon will have more room inside than the Matrix, which is pretty roomy in its own right. I haven't been in one, but those Jetta wagons look big.

    The Matrix will be a LOT more fun. If that matters. Also cheaper to operate (virtually zero-maintenance) and most likely won't need a repair you are on the hook for in five years.

    I'll echo steine also: Matrix will be a bit louder, more plasticky, and you sit higher. It also has the advantage that wherever you stop for gas, the station actually sells the kind you need. Unlike diesel.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • steine13steine13 Posts: 2,426
    ...is nowhere near as roomy as the 'trix in the back seat. Seat is low, room is fairly tight. The cargo area is much bigger than the Matrix, though.
    -Mathias
  • herzogtum71herzogtum71 Posts: 470
    Earlier this spring (before I bought a 4-cylinder Highlander) I briefly considered the Jetta when I was looking to replace my old '94 Corolla wagon. The Jetta's cargo area is slightly larger than the old Corolla wagon behind the rear seat, but slightly smaller with the rear seat folded down. The Matrix is indeed much smaller behind the rear seat -- maybe as much as 5 cubic feet.

    I didn't pursue the Jetta after I found out that you can't buy them in Massachusetts. You can't even register a new one here if you buy it out of state. If you have one already and move here, then you have to apply for a waiver. All this should change in a couple of years when the cleaner diesel fuel is required in the USA.

    The Matrix has much better passenger room in both front and back, and it gets better gas mileage. (Even my Highlander gets better gas mileage than the Jetta, and it runs on regular gas.) And in terms of reliability, I wouldn't consider a gasoline powered Jetta after reading the Edmunds forum on those vehicles. The Matrix does better than the Jetta in crash tests, too.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    the HL and Matrix get better gas mileage than the diesel Jetta TDI? I believe that is the other vehicle being considered. I think the TDI's fuel economy is in hybrid territory.

    Yes, the back seat of the Matrix is super-spacious when compared to its peers.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • Thanks folks. Already sit in the Matrix today, and can't feel comfortable in the driver seat, so I didn't take a test drive. And I found out the traction control and ESP, EBD are all unavailable on Matrix, which are standard and option on Jetta. So I will put this out of my list.
  • capitanocapitano Posts: 509
    2005 Matrix has traction control available on the XR autos. Did you specify you wanted a manual transmission?

    The seating position gets a lot of comments in reviews. I am 5'11" and it suits me just fine.
  • herzogtum71herzogtum71 Posts: 470
    Don't put words in my mouth. The diesel Jetta gets great mileage, but it's not an option for those of us living in New England or California. There is nothing spectacular about the fuel economy of the gasoline-powered Jetta.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    no intention here of stuffing words in anyone's mouth. I just meant that in the original comparison to which I thought you were responding, that person was comparing with a Jetta diesel.

    The gas Jetta is particularly unimpressive for fuel economy and has been for some time. Too heavy for the small engines being used in it, I think.

    Isn't EBD standard with Matrix if you opt for the ABS? And isn't it weird that the $14K Scion xB has standard traction control, but the $16K Matrix does not? Never thought about that until just now...

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • deg856deg856 Posts: 120
    2004 XR auto FWD. 3265 mi total. 389.5 mi on last tank. 11.893 gal fill up. -> 32.75 mpg.
  • I recently bought a 2003 XRS 6-speed with a March 2002 manufacture date. Since this was built so early in the model year, are there some TSB's I should be looking for in particular? I haven't noticed anything yet, just want to take care of the things that are covered under warranty.

    Does anyone know how to disconnect that ANNOYING reverse beep? Also, I would love to disconnect the passenger side seat belt indicator. Sometimes I'll set stuff in the passenger seat that is just heavy enough to activate it. It's also very annoying.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    a TSB for the twilight sensor, which was not well-dsigned initially and would flick the headlights on and off all the time. If your lights are doing this, you may need to get the twilight sensor exchanged for the new one (free under the TSB).

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • capitanocapitano Posts: 509
    I don't mind the reverse beep. I've gotten quite used to it.

    Likewise the passenger seatbelt indicator doesn't bother me and though I put stuff on the seat all the time, it has only activated one time when I did so. It does seem to go off after a while.

    I think there may have been another TSB or two after the twilight sensor. Dash rattles, and perhaps the center console bin door I think. Maybe.
  • I don't notice the headlights/dash lights flickering. It's hard to tell in the daylight. Perhaps mine was one of the few that actually worked?

    Same thing with the squeaks and rattles. My last car (91 Civic Si) was so full of them by the time I got rid of it that the Matrix is virtually silent by comparison.

    After 2 months of owning this car, I can say without hesitation that is the best car I've ever owned. It's surprisingly speedy, the lift in first and second gear and revving to 8000+ RPM is so adicting it's hard hold back. Inside, the thing is cavernous and holds just about anything you'd want to haul. The seats are very comfortable and I can tolerate 500 mile car rides without that gotta-get-outta-this-car-right-now feeling that I used to get after a couple of hours in the Honda. If they ever decided to turbocharge this thing and boost it to 225 hp or so and give it some low end torque, I would likely call it the perfect car. But until that day comes, I'm extremely satisfied with the way it is now.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    might have already had the TSB performed. The dash has a little indicator light when the headlights are on. If you haven't noticed it going on and off, I am sure you have the updated sensor.

    The XRS is a hoot. This same engine (with some minor tweaks) is now in use in the new Lotus Elise, which has programmed it to go on the high-lift cam at a somewhat lower rpm, and to transition in a more smooth manner. I wish Toyota would do the same for its own cars!

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • There is a TSB for your year of Matrix for the O2 sensor - not all of the cars all of the time...some of the cars have stalled. I believe I read about the TSB on this site under either used car or car reviews...hope this helps.
  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    How much is that Lotus Elise now ? Like $40K, right ??? The price difference alone makes it unlikely for Toyota to tweak the 2ZZ engine as in the Elise. Rather, I hope they can bring in (wishful thinking, I know) the I6 in the Alteeza/IS300 to provide that low end grunt at 225+bhp. Add in a suspension tweak here or there, and you get the Alteeza, the US model. I know, I know... not apples to apples, and not gonna happen, BUT one can wish ???
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    well, every time Toyota puts the 2ZZ in a new model they tweak it a little, so one can hope, eh?! :-)

    While I would absolutely LOVE to see the old Supra engine in a car like the Matrix, it is ancient-tech at this point. Emissions are too high for the new millennium, and fuel economy is terrible.

    At their heart, I feel models like the Matrix and Corolla XRS are supposed to be go-fast economy wagons/sedans, and there is not much "economy" about an 18/25 EPA rating! :-P

    Now, the Scion tC gives me hope. If there is a next-gen Matrix (and I truly hope there will be), I am betting they will drop the Camry 2.4 in it, which should be good for 170 hp or so by then. They could then give the XRS the S/C version of this engine, with nice low-end torque and 210 hp or so on tap. I imagine fuel economy of all versions would drop a little, but it would be worth it for the power you get.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • thelthel Posts: 767
    I think that the XRS has plenty of power...and I even have the wussy 04 version with a few less hp than the 03 LOL! Any more power and there is no way I could tolerate all of the torque steer, especially on cornering. The torque-steer and understeer I get now is bad enough!

    Now...if only I could get my XRS motor into my 1990 Miata!!!
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    what that engine would do in a 2000-pounder like a '90 Miata? I would like to see it. That is almost the same power-to-weight ratio as the Elise I was mentioning above.

    yes, you have mentioned a salient point: the Matrix is a FWDer and with too much power the wheel might become a handful. Still if Honda can stuff 250 hp engines in FWD sedans, Toyota could probably make that work out if it tried.

    OR they could do what I would like to see and make the Matrix the first Toyota model to go back to RWD - yes! :-)

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • thelthel Posts: 767
    Dont the high hp FWD Honda's have some sort of a traction control system to reduce the torque steer? That said, most of the car mags that compare the high hp FWD Acuras to their RWD competitors (BMW, Jaguar, etc) all comend the Acuras for doing a great job with FWD, but at the same time wondering / wishing what would happen if Acura would go to RWD.

    I'd bet that Toyota would go AWD before they go RWD.....but one can only hope.
  • thelthel Posts: 767
    Has anyone put redline MTL into their transmission? I'm going to put some MTL into my Miata's manual transmission and shifter turret after reading all of the raves about it from fellow Miata-philes but I was wondering if anyone put it into their XRS 6-speeds and notice better shifts (particularly with the AC on).
  • capitanocapitano Posts: 509
    Not done it myself. Have read over at MO, that it improves shift smoothness.

    Are you perceiving a difference in shifting with AC on?
  • thelthel Posts: 767
    With the AC on the car seems to "thunk" into gear rather abruptly compared to when the AC is off IMO.

    I just put Redline MTL in my 90 MIata and it shifts much more smoothly, especially with the AC on...I may try it in my Matrix.
  • deg856deg856 Posts: 120
    2004 XR auto FWD. 3663 mi total. 398.0 mi on last tank. 12.833 gal fill up. -> 31.01 mpg.

    I didn't think I ran the tank that dry - I gased up about 5 miles after the yellow (low fuel) light came on - but being able to put 12.833 gal into a tank listed as 13.2 gal seemed unusual. Makes me wonder if the tank is actually larger.
  • capitanocapitano Posts: 509
    So I am filling up my XRS at the Mobil station and I am watching this guy pumping gas into his new Mustang (30 day tag still on it). I am thinking about taking a picture of his "shorts" that are clearly shorts, but come down to his ankles. He is a large fellow and I was thinking I could have some photoshop fun with his image. But then he starts speaking to me.

    It's hard to understand him at first since English is not his first language. He is asking me if my car is the expensive version. I say yeah. He asks how much it was. I say $20k, neglect to mention that that was out the door. I say they can go higher with a moonroof and navigation though. He seems satisfied and says that's how much the Mustang was supposed to cost. He got it for $16.5k and the reason he got it was he could get that deal. But he says he really would have preferred having the Matrix.

    He asks what my payment is and I tell him. His payment and mine are about the same. I await the follow up question about interest rates, but it doesn't come.

    He tells me again that he really wanted the Matrix but that he bought the Mustang because of the deal and that's the end of the conversation.

    I didn't think the markets for Mustangs and Matrices overlapped at all.
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