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Ford Focus SVT vs. VW GTI

dtenenbodtenenbo Posts: 1
edited March 25 in Ford
Need your advice:
Should I wait for the Focus SVT or buy the VW GTI now?

-hatchback fan
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  • bill_1bill_1 Posts: 97
    That depends on what you are looking for in a car. You didn't specify which GTI (1.8T or VR6) but I would suspect that the GTI in either guise will be a more refined car than the SVT, heck Volkswagen is equipping most of their cars these days like entry level luxury cars.. of course they are also pricing them more like entry level luxury as well (You can get Jettas into the Mid 20s without much effort).

    If its a question of value vs performance I would have to think that the SVT will beat the GTI, but if you are looking for more then the GTI is the car.

    Oh and you should know that starting next January the GTI will get a new VR6 that will give it better than 200 HP.
  • wordman93wordman93 Posts: 36
    and the 1.8t will also see an increase in horsepower. VW is claiming 170hp but the engine will actually be putting out 180hp...They don't won't to upset the Audi crowd I think.

    I do like the look of the Focus SVT though, and for 18k it may be quite a deal. (I prefer VW though!!!)=)
  • nofuschunofuschu Posts: 1
    Wait for the 2002 GTI in Q1, US market. In-dash CD, stiffer suspension and less body roll should up the anty...these are, in my mind, 3 weaknesses with the current model.The 2002 GTI will be positioned at a lower cost as fewer frills will be found on the GLX model (optional sunroof); you can also opt for the new 200+hp 24v vr6 on the GLS trim or Golf 1.8T...and for crying out loud--have you seen those ridiculous cloth/leather hybrid seats on the Focus SVT?!
    Fashion blunder.
  • ffrffr Posts: 1
    SVT will be better than GTI in: steering, suspension, transmission, ergonomic design, more room, price , warranty, replacement parts price.
    GTI will be better than SVT in: finish quality ,fit quality, new 2002 engine will be better.
  • wordman93wordman93 Posts: 36
    What will the warranty be for the Focus? VW is switching to a 4 year 50k mile bumper to bumper warranty.
  • chem123chem123 Posts: 272
    and have no regrets.
  • would you like a quality German made sports car with leather, aluminum and graphite, or a cheaper American car with plastic parts.
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  • First of all the Golf GTI isn't a German sports car, It's a "Sporty" car but a sports car, it's not! And just like the SVT Focus, the Golf is made in Mexico (not Germany). The SVT Focus will have Leather and aluminum and all that good stuff as well. I think both these cars are great, but referring to one as if it were a Mercedes Benz CKL 55 and the other as if it were a Pinto is not fare. The SVT focus motor was mostly developed by Cosworth, maker of some of the worlds best racing engines and owned by the Audi AG Group. This Focus is built off the european designed ST170. And has lots to offer. The GTI is a nice car, but to judge the SVT before its out isn't right. I've looked into this car quite a bit and I think it will be a great car, especially with it's low production numbers.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    The Golf is not made in Mexico. The GTI is not made in Mexico. When you start your "opinion" with false information even your opinion is lacking credibility. You are correct that you can not judge the SVT before it is out.
    What about low production numbers makes a great car?
  • built in Brazil? Also, while the SVT is a limited production auto, the car itself is a regular ZX3 pulled of the assembly line and modified. So it's not exactly a hand built auto. But I'd take the SVT over the GTi just despite the torque difference. SVT should be quite the handler. And it will have a nicer interior than the standard Focus. Oh, and I can pocket the cost difference for something else. But that my opinion, I know other will lean more towards the luxury than performance and take the GTi. To each their own.
  • diploiddiploid Posts: 2,286
    Then where are they made? I've googled it, and an incredible majority of the websites agree that they're assembled in Mexico, while the engines were built in Germany.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    Brazil. 60% German content and 40% Brazil content.
  • According to this link, it's made in Mexico.

     http://biz.yahoo.com/ifc/mx/news/91001-3.html


    The beetle, Golf & Jetta are all the same car, it only makes sense that they come from the same plant. I think over the past 7 to 10 years, it's been proven that it doesn't matter where a car is built, all car companies have the same robots building them. What does matter is the engineering behind them. Thats what makes a great car, not where it's made. Take Toyota for an example, besides the celica, I can't think of another Toyota in North America that comes from Japan. They are all built in plants in the U.S. And the celica was designed in California! The days where a car is either Japanese, American, German, etc, etc, are truely gone! Car companies are building there cars and getting there parts wherever it makes economical sense for them.

  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    Go look at 2001 or 2002 GTI or Golf and check the VIN. The 1st digit of VIN is country of manufacture and W is Germany, 1 USA, 3 Mexico, and 9 Brazil. Second digit is manufacturer and A is Audi, B is VW Brazil, and V is Volkswagen.

    The link you posted is wrong. The robots are the same but the people installing seats, wiring, trim and etc. are not. The Jetta and Beetle suffer from greater number of squeeks and rattles (IMHO) and minor assembly defects than do the Golf. http://www.auto.com/autonews/cwirh17_20000517.htm

    Number of defects per 100 vehicles for Golf is 187 and Jetta is 234.
  • diploiddiploid Posts: 2,286
    So how does Brazil differ from Mexico? It's still not made in Germany, which was butlersbox's point.
  • I found that link on your last posting about which cars have the most defects to be interesting. http://www.auto.com/autonews/cwirh17_20000517.htm

     The Ford Focus had a much fewer defects according to your source. Out of 191 vehicles on the list, the Focus was ranked at #131. That's much better than most of the Volkswagon's rankings. The Golf was rank at #153, the GTI was rank at #164, and the Cabrio at #186. The Jetta was only fifth from the bottom, beating only the a Suzuki & three Korean cars at #187. So I guess, according to your source, the SVT Focus would be a better choice for quality alone! And it's made in Mexico/States!
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    According to JD Power you are likely to have 1.31 defects per car with Focus and 1.64 defects per car with GTI so yes there is .33 of a defect extra on the GTI. Focus less defects but I would not make a purchase decision on such an insignificant difference. VW certainly has some work to do to improve quality and especially dealer service.

    My main point of contention with bultlersbox was the incorrect assertion that VW GTI/Golf was made in Mexico. It isn't. I am not trying to build a case against the Focus. Also it is my opinion that different manufacturing plants do often have different end quality even if they are building the exact same product. This has been noted by Ford and GM in their plants and they have used the quality difference to decide on which plant to expand or close. The GTI/Golf made in Germany is known to have more defects than GTI/Golf made in Brazil. German car made in Brazil or American car made in Mexico is not hugely important to me.

    I like the Ford Focus SVT, ZX3, ZX5, and wagon and also like the Golf and GTI. The SVT offers more performance per dollar than the GTI. Given a choice I would buy a GTI over the Focus SVT simply because I like the GTI interior more.
  • I have a Golf that was built in Germany, my VIN starts with "W" and I have a few squeaks and rattles after 2 years, not to my suprise. I have also heard a lot about the Focus being recalled many times though and I only remember the Golf being recalled once in the last few years. So does number of defects per car include the severity of the defects or just the exact number of defects? I know someone who has had to take his car in 3 times for recalls already.
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