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Land Rover Freelander

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  • tincup47tincup47 Posts: 1,508
    That post was more for the benefit of people visiting this board trying to learn facts about the vehicle.
  • caneaucaneau Posts: 14
    If anyone is familiar with my posts, one of my first and most important question with evaluating a car is why should I spend $25k or however much the car costs on the car. Is it its power, luxury, utility, etc? So here's my shot at the Freelander...
    Why on earth should I spend $30k on a 2 door, 2.5 liter British attempt at an independent suspension, unibody SUV? (Before you start crying that the SE3 costs only $27k, consider that you have to pump premium fuel, deal with the initial rush of snobs who want the latest cute SUV, and few if any incentives such as financing and cash back that you get with every American car manufacturer right now). What could I have for $30k, a down payment on a house, a year of my college tuition, or how about this, nicely equipped a Jeep Wranger Rubicon and have enough money for a killer stereo, a CB radio with enough power to warrant investigation by the FCC, a winch, and a WAAS enabled navigation system so I can always get back to my campsite in time to roast some marsh mellows.
    Did I mention that a Rubicon is better in almost every criteria SUV's are defined by? Just look at the specs. Power - Wranger. Off-road capability - hands down Wrangler. Practicality/cargo space - Wrangler. Heritage - still Jeep (Land Rover is Ford and was BMW before that). Seems like it's Jeep hand down. Oh wait, I almost forgot, snob appeal - Land Rover. The only reason someone would want to buy this car is to say to their friends at the cocktail party "I drive a Land Rover." Not to say LR isn't capable of making a great car - the Defender 90, Series II, and Disco are proof - this is just not one of them.
    I have an idea, I'm going to take my Leatherman tool, peel off the Land Rover oval off the front of the car, and put a nice, blue Ford oval. In the process, I will be dropping the price tag by $5000 and placing the car against the cars it should be competing against - 2 door, cute-utes priced at around $20k. As it stands, for $30,000, there are many more bigger, better, more powerful, more practical, and more capable SUV's out there, each one of them giving reason not to buy this car.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,206
    Did you have a question or are you just trolling?

    Seems like the logical comparison for the Freelander is the Liberty anyway. link

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  • um......you do realize that the Freelander was designed and sold to the public before BMW or Ford took over the company. If you have ever driven the streets and back roads in the UK then you will realize why the Freelander was and is so popular in Europe. And while you have your nifty Leatherman out why don't you peel off your little jeep logo to see the wonderful Chyrsler logo underneath. I don't own a Freelander, and actually am not looking at one, but I wanted to congratulate you on one of the most stupid posts ever.
  • gazelle2gazelle2 Posts: 38
    I looked at the se3 again this weekend, and am still finding some reasons for being attracted to this perhaps overpriced Land Rover---enough space to seat adults in the rear, enough space to go to recycling or load a bike, the fun of having a pseudo-convertible. Not sure about the latest reliability status, though I find that the newer ones are perceived as having better quality control, better AC, fewer electrical quirks. I thought I heard though that there would be some refinements on the next model year---removing cup holders from the dash top, adding grab handles, updated ergonomics? Is that true or was I misinformed? Does anyone know how user friendly the soft top is--can it be taken up or down in a few minutes, as that thunderhead looms ever so closer?
  • All:

    Have had my FL since last August. Now that it is nearly threw an Alaska winter, thought I would post some thoughts.

    First - This is a highly capable vehicle. My previous vehicle was a Jeep Grand Cherokee V8, and I can say without reservation that, when it counts, the FL takes the cake. The main reason seems to be the traction control. My Jeep had Selec-Trac, which cannot send power left/right between wheels. Once got stuck on a dirt road 15 miles outside of Talkeetna, and the two left side wheels just spun in the muck. No such problems with the FL. It has handled ice, snow, mud, rain, and hell of all kinds without any problem. Bravo!

    Second, a lot of people on this board grouse about price. Yes, the HSE is expensive. But my S (with special financing offer) costs significantly LESS than a comparably equipped CRV or RAV4.

    Reliability has been a minor issue. The thermostat had to be replaced - wouldn't warm up at highway speeds below ten degrees. Occasionally at colder temperatures, the Hill Descent warning light will come on. Turning the vehicle off then on has fixed the problem. Note that these repairs are relatively minor compared to the problems I had with my Jeep. Time will tell how reliable the car really is.

    The engine is "reasonably" peppy. Certainly one area where the V8 was much better, but not an "apples to apples" comparison. The sport mode does well, but the gears seem to be spaced too far apart in the regular mode. Gas mileage, mostly in town, has been 16-18 mpg.

    Finally, the one thing that really sold me on this vehicle was how solid it felt. Compared to the Jeep, CRV and RAV4, the FL feels like it was machined from a solid block of steel.

    Would I recommend it? As long as reliability doesn't become any more of an issue, I certainly would.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,206
    Yeah, but you guys didn't have a winter up there this year. At least not yet, lol. What did they rename the dog race - the Idita-detour?

    Thanks for the report!

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  • Actually according to the owners guide, 87 octane fuel will do just fine with a freelander. The initial rush of snobs purchasing the freelander SE3 isn't true either, in fact they have had one at my dealership since it came out, and no one has purchased it. Seems the SE3 doesn't appeal to the richy people who normally go into a landrover dealership. And Landrover currently has a deal for the SE3 for 2.9%APR financing for 60 months. So that discounts all your arguments against the SE3.

    Now if I may... I wouldn't like to say: Boooo-Ya
  • bcb1bcb1 Posts: 149
    I have a 2000 Yukon 2WD that will be paid off in the next year or so, and I'm thinking of buying a 2nd SUV.

    The used Range Rovers from the mid 90s and Discovery II's from the late 90s are really reasonably priced - anywhere from $8K for a used Disco II with some miles to $20K for a used 96 Range Rover. That seems very cheap compared to their original sticker prices! Should that raise red flags?

    I guess what I'm asking is: How do you guys feel about the Freelander? Is it trouble-free? In a year or so, what will the resale value be? Mid teens? My initial thought is to buy a bigger Disco II or Range Rover - but if the Freelander is more trouble-free, that might be the way to go.....
  • I'm a reporter for a major business daily and I write a tiny weekly auto feature about different cars on today's market. I try to highlight the new enhancements to each car I write about and then get some driver's opinions of how they see the car and whether it fits into their lifestyle. I also try to find out from them their experiences with the car. If any freelander drivers are on this board would like to participate, I'd greatly appreciate hearing from you. You must be willing to answer 5 short questions as well as have your name and job title listed in the paper. Please email me at LANETEF@YAHOO.COM and provide a daytime phone number where I can reach you.
  • emme79emme79 Posts: 1
    Just to let everyone know the SE3 is now available for 60 mos. at 0%. It sure makes it a whole lot more appealing though I think I would want it paid off before the warranty runs out in 4 yrs due to the reliability issues.
  • jblaze13jblaze13 Posts: 152
    Any Specifics out there on the 2004 changes. When will the new model year begin? Any one purchase on A plan. What was the price?
  • spookypuffspookypuff Posts: 10
    This seems to be a pretty dead msg board..much like my car...but FYI for anyone.
    I have a 2002 SE Freelander, fully loaded. I am getting rid of it. I have had more problems with it both in maint & service. Here are some things I have learned from LR:
    1. If you buy the FL, you will be considered 2nd class by LR b/c you did not buy the RR or Disco.
    2. If you move or have to use another dealership you WILL NOT get a loaner.
    3. The A/C is poor & does not cool interior well, don't buy this car if you live in a desert climate!
    4. Check your A/C coolan res., it may be cracked.
    5. Brake lights are poorly designed
    6. Ever 15-20k you will need entirely new front brakes (pads & rotors.. cost $500 - using HDC will make the service on this even sooner)
    7. The drivers seat will squeak, the sunroof shade will rattle & the passenger door will rattle if you have the upgraded HK sound system.
    8. Service bays are not open on the weekends
    9. Radiator not well protected, small road hazard can damage it. New radiator cost: $800-$1000

    It's a shame. I loved this car & had loved Land Rover. Now I can't get rid of the thing fast enough & will never own another LR again.
    If you bought this car & love it.. good for you & I hope you keep loving it & don't have the problems I encountered. If you haven't bought it yet & are thinking about it.. well... I'd keep thinking.
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  • jeffkieljeffkiel Posts: 48
    I just purchased a factory demo and wanted to see if you could check to make sure there were no issues? Last 8 of the VIN are 3A242739.

    Thanks a bunch!
  • tincup47tincup47 Posts: 1,508
    There is no history of any issues with this vehicle.
  • jeffkieljeffkiel Posts: 48
    Great, thanks a ton, Tincup! BTW, I am a former Liberty owner (yes, sounds like an AA meeting) and agree that the FL is TONS more refined!
  • KicKMan1KicKMan1 Posts: 45
    Recently purchased an '02 FL S. It was a loaner at Land Rover Marin in San Rafael, CA. Excellent condition. Bought it for $17,999 and popped for a leather upgrade and full length roof rack.

    The rig drives rather well for a SUV of any type. Power is, well, adequate, but not unexpected.

    Anyone out there performed or know of any successful engine mods for horsepower/torque increase?

    Thanks much.
  • Let me clear up some things here regarding to British cars' reliability. Some people think that British cars are the worst European vehicles. Guess what, even though British cars are known for poor reliabilty, according to J.D. Powers survey, French cars (Peugeot and Renault) are the worst European cars of all in terms for reliability. Well at least some Land Rover drivers should be grateful to see that they are not driving the worst European vehicle.

                            Walter Chan
  • sclui56sclui56 Posts: 5
    I have had these 2 warning lights coming on frequently, and they tend to reset after ignition has been cycled. This has been happening on my '02 FL S since 5k. Dealer has tried numerous times and the lastest visit was 2 weeks ago. Now it started 2 days ago the 2 warning lights simply stay on constantly. My local dealer can only accept the vehicle on 9/11, so what do I do in the meantime?

    BTW, this is to be sold, I just want to make it look decent.
  • The problem was caused by a faulty brake switch (seems like it's on national backorder). In any case, it's fixed for now & I'm disposing the vehicle.
  • I have an 03 Freelander S. So far it runs like a clock (knock on wood) 3800 miles. Very solid feel. Drives unbelievably.
    Here's what I've done so far....
    1) Factory stereo is terrible, but the speakers are good. Replace the head and you'll wake up the speakers.
    2) Do your own maintenance if you can. They want $100 for an oil change. Do it yourself. Very easy.

    My only compaint is the parts and service dept. I put a tow kit on mine and I called about 5 dealers for a quote on the parts and ended up with 5 different quotes (diff between high and low $100). Sounds ridiculous to me. I put it on myself with the electronics and once again saved $$$. Very easy. OK, I would avoid the dealer at all costs!

    Towed 1500-2000 lbs about 700 miles Very smooth ride. In summary, great truck, although I have found parts/service to be quite questionable.
  • I have an opportunity to get a 2002 frreelander SE with 10K miles for 20K$.
    We test drove one and my wife is convinced, and I was pretty happy with it.
    I realize that YMMV is always applicable, but given the price, which I think is great, am I nuts thinking this is a fine vehicle for the money? This one will come with maintainance includeed, ,so that means free oil changes every year....
    Only problem is... it is white. I can live with white, but I wish it was an uglier color.
  • That sounds like a pretty good deal to me. I purchased my 2003 SE with 7k on it for $24K, sans mainainence (make sure it is the maintainence, not just oil changes...maintainence is ~$250 a shot, oil is much less). You will love the truck, that is for sure.
  • What is different between Maintainance and just oil changes? I talked to the sales guy and he said "maintainance" I will give him a call and find out what that really means. He did say it included Tranny oil changes and such, so it seemed like it was the whole shee-bang.
  • Oil changes are ~$100 at the dealer, maintainence is done at 3K (~$150 locally), 12, and every 12K after that. The maintainence is $250-$350 depending on which one.
  • I have an opportunity to get a 2002 frreelander SE with 10K miles for 20K$.

    Not a bad deal. I bought my '02 S for $18k (but also upgraded to aftermarket leather which was better than factory). I could have spent $500 less and bought a '02 Ford Escape but I needed a real off-roader. $20k is a good deal for a SE. Could even get a better deal if they have the '04s on the lot.
  • Well,
    I was all set to buy this white 2002 Freebie, but after test driving it, there were a few things I didn't like about it. They sound trivial but first off the entire dash was black. So in the summer it is going to be very hot, second, the seats were a solid tan leather that just looked, well, old. That plus the white...So we told them forget it.
    Well, I get a call back the next day, and well, to make a long story short, I am getting a Silver 2003 FL SE with 7k miles on it for 22k. Beatiful light grey and charcoal interior.

    I can't believe what a great deal I am getting, end of the quarter must be driving them. The blue book on this is 27K!

    I am giving it to my wife for her birthday. I brought it home and put balloons on it with a big banner...she was thrilled.

    It has these really cool looking rubber mats throughout, anyone know where good aftermarket parts are for these things? Preferably an online dealer?
  • retlefretlef Posts: 17
    I have a 02 Freelander SE. It has spent many, many days in the shop since I purchased it. There is an intermittent electrical problem that basically turns every failure light on the dashboard on. This has occurred multiple times when driving the vehicle. On several instances when this catastrophic failure occurs the transmission will somehow mysteriously shift from a high gear to a low gear will at freeway speed(very scary). To make a very long story short there are no error codes stored on the internal computer so the dealer cannot even trouble shoot the problem. The dealer has taken the vehicle and road tested it but cannot replicate the problem. I CAN’T REPLICATE IT-IT JUST HAPPENS.. I think the dealer is trying their best to resolve the problem but they cannot replace anything on the car unless they can replicate the problem. As of about 3 weeks ago the transmission has began to shift really hard from gear to gear. Another dealer visit!!! There is something horribly wrong with my car. As I type the vehicle again is in the shop, I had to resort to caring a digital camera in the car so that I could photograph and record the problems as they occurred. I have in turn given the dealer moving video images of the problem in addition to still shots to prove that the car has significant issues. After several trips to the dealer with proof they have decided to replace the transmission and a control module. The transmission has 23k freeway miles and it has failed! I recommend people contact the http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/ as I have and file a complaint you can also call 1-888-DASH-2-DOT (1-888-327-4236) to file a complaint.
  • We own a 2002 Land Rover Freelander. Along with several other minor problems, we have encountered a transmission/electrical problem that the dealer has not been able to fix. All of our dashboard warning lights will turn on and our vehicle becomes stuck in 4th gear. This has occurred in the dealer's possession. They were unable to decipher the codes. The first time the problem occurred, the dealership replaced the PCU module, which took over two weeks to repair. On the way home from the dealership. it occurred again. They have had the vehicle for the past 26 days trying to replace the transmission. My wife and I tried to trade it in at the dealership and they offered us only 14,000 to trade in for a Discovery. We called Corporate for a buy back assist and they refused. They said they would extend our warranty, but they won't give us this offer in writing and they are saying we have to contact the dealership and work it out at that level. The dealership says this is a Corporate issue. My wife and I are preparing to bring a lawyer into this matter and we were wondering if anyone else has had any luck with a buy back assist.
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