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Land Rover Freelander

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  • here i sit with a piece of junk in my yard and a hole in my pocket i have a landrover freelander 2002 first the a/c was wacked had to go 70mph to get it to work then the alarm was off rolling windows up and down then the brake lights would blow out all the time now the timing threw and blew a piston landrover should pay any one know about this law siut thing i want in i am sick over it all
  • tpeeltpeel Posts: 17
    Once again folks

    The replacement engine they will put in won't last more than 12,000 miles! If you want to replace the engine-find a good trustworthy mechanic and buy a Honda engine and go from there. I saw this on the english postboard-it will cost around the same but it's a Honda engine not a rebuilt engine coming from China.
  • thank you
    it's, alucino@yahoo.com
  • Please contact me at landrover_lawsuit@hotmail.com
    Please note that if you copy and paste the email the @ sign can be transposed.
    I will send you our lawyers information. Thanks, BRidget :shades:
  • You can't put a honda engine in a US spec freelander.
  • G'day, my name is Robby. I live in Canberra and unfortunetly I have also been lumbered with a landRobme freelander. I am passionate and deperate to do something to recover monies, time and frustration spent on this company. Does anyone know of a class action case in Aus? If there isn't one i am ready and willing to take on those charlatans.
    email: robbyalyon@yahoo.com.au

    thank you..
  • Hi Bridget,
    I have already tried emailing you twice, and I'm not sure if I got thru or not, I will try one more time. Perhaps you could email me, alucino@yahoo.com, or at work carmen@brandkitchens.com, I would be very grateful if I can talk to someone about whether or not, when and how to join the lawsuit.
    I have already filed a complaint with NHTSA like many of you before me.
    thanks?
  • I've not received any response from the CA law firm either. We have a statute of limitations to worry about and need to know what steps are being taken to get this suit filed, so, if I don't hear something from them in the next week, I'm filing my own pro se case.
  • Hi Bridget,
    I have already tried emailing you twice, and I'm not sure if I got through or not.
    I have already filed a complaint with NHTSA like many of you before me.
    thanks? I have the same problems with 2002 freelander(45.000 miles) twice transmition replaced , train problem, engine, passenger window powers....

    here is my e-mail:ledia-karaj@hotmail.com

    please let me know ,

    thank you in advance

    ledia
  • kpencekpence Posts: 11
    Hello, I've just been told by my dealer owned service provider that I need to replace my engine at a cost of $7,000.00. A bit of history for you:
    While driving the other evening my service engine light came on and a then the temp. gage went to hot. I went right home and the next day had my car towed to the dealer.
    $250.00 cost.
    After reading just a few pages of the forum I realize this is probably all to familiar to all of you.
    I'm wondering if I should have the engine replaced at the dealer, join the lawsuit and do nothing to the car now, find someone to put a honda engine in the car, sell it for scrap or what.
    Oh and I just paid $450.00 to replace the passenger rear window mechanism a few weeks ago.
    Any help anyone can give to me would most appreciated.
    Best, Kim
  • tpeeltpeel Posts: 17
    This guy knows everything about the freelander.Before you replace your engine-and it should never cost $7,000!
    As a general note, when one of these K16 engines fails in a Freelander it is usually quite 'fixable' with some work. It might involve a lot of work in some instances but even so it's never as bad as is made out. There are only so many things that tend to go wrong with them and it tends to be the same things going wrong. Pistons and liners are easy replaceable, as is the block if necessary and alternative good used cylinder heads are not too difficult to procure. The decision on what is going to need to be done to fix one of the engines is based on simple criteria meaning the repair could be quite inexpensive after the engine has been partially dismantled and checked, or, it is going to take a bit of work and cost some money. Low mileage cars are usually the easy ones to fix because the block is not damaged. As far as I can see many original engines are being replaced with reconditioned ones when there isn't all that much wrong with them.

    The fact that these engines fail prematurely in the first place is a disgrace of course.
  • kpencekpence Posts: 11
    Thanks for your reply tpee.
    It sounds like I need to find an independent mechanic to work on the engine for me.
    If anyone has a good mechanic in the Chicago area they recommend I'd be interested.
    Kim
  • Hi,

    I'm new to the Freelander forum but so far I've the info here very helpful, but it would be EVEN MORE helpful if the folks who post would include the following with their posts...

    Freelander year, model (HSE, SE, SE3), and mileage.

    Also, doeas nayone know if the 05 SE3's are any better than earlier models?

    Thanks!

    ~ Jeff
    2005 Freelander SE3
    26k
  • Arlingtion preformance in arlington hts on rand rd
  • kpencekpence Posts: 11
    Thanks for the referal to Arlington Heights. Why do you recommend them?
    Kim

    2002 Freelander SE
  • kpencekpence Posts: 11
    Hi Jeff,
    Sorry for not including the details of my car! I think I was still in shock.

    I have a 2002 Freelander SE 62k

    Also, I found a mechanic who will put a pull-out engine with 30k miles on it, in the car and guarantee it for around $6,000.00. This still sounds like a lot to me. He said these engines are very expensive? But why are they if they fail?

    Kim
  • Hi all,

    I'm new to the forums and have found the info everyone has posted to be very useful.

    I took a chance and purchased an 05' SE3 w/26k the other day...and so far I love it!

    I am however very concerned about the future with my new freind after reading the numerous posts here and elsewhere on the web.

    My main question is if anyone knows if there were any mechanical updates to the 05's due to all the core problems (coolant leaks, tranny & electrical probs, etc.) or is my 05's engine & trans exactly like an 02 or 03's?

    Also, has anyone had any experience working with the Chicago LR Service Dept. at Howard Orloff's on Armitage? If so, I'd like to hear about your experiences and who you recommend speaking with there.

    Finally, any mechanically minded Hippo owners on the forum that could advise me on any preventative maintenance things I should do now BEFORE my warranty runs out in May of 09?

    Thanks for all you help!

    Cheers,

    ~ Jeff
    2005 SE3 25k :)
  • dli6990dli6990 Posts: 4
    hi jeff:

    I so own a used 2005 freelander SE 5 door in CA, so far i didn't have any major mechanical problem (leaking coolant, transmission problem, or another kind). My advise to you is that beware of the long service interval. Because the coolant will run dry way before the 12000 service interval(i admit it's probably a design flaw), make sure you always have a bottle of coolant at home and check every once in a while, fill up as soon as the coolant dip below the min. line. AND NEVER EVER LET THE COOLANT TANK RUN EMPTY. However, when it's leaking then you better have it cheked, dun let it overheat.

    Well, do expect some little tiny problems that could come in the future, and dun rely on the rev meter maintance light to wait for check ups (after all this is was designed over a decade ago with much design flaws), send the car to service as soon as the 12000 interval is up.

    I'm sure if you can carefully maintain the car, you can continue to enjoy your lovely freelander for many years to come. Ar.....btw, one very common problem is squaeking breaks which I'm experiencing rt. now, jerky acc. at ver low speeds is also a thing about the car, I really dun know if that is a problem or what, but so far I hadn't became a problem for my car.

    Just curious...what milage do u get out of your car? I tried really really hard but I never seems to break the 15 mark... :)
  • dbfinlaydbfinlay Posts: 13
    Regarding your transmission, you should be fine. The Japanese Jatco transmission problems in Freelanders and Jaguar X-Types (identical Tranny) were resolved by 2005. Jaguar serviced their 02-04 customers more aggressively with warranty transmission replacements, Land Rover held it's breath to let each customer pass the warranty period so they would have to pay for the transmission themselves.

    Regarding your Engine, there is very little you can do to avoid complete failure. Your engine was originally designed in the 1980's for a front wheel drive car (The Rover 827i - known in the U.S. as Sterling) Even then that car in the 1980's was "found to have been under-developed and quality and reliability problems soon escalated to a crisis." J.D. Powers, usually known as a marketing arm for auto makers, was openly verbal about this vehicle's shortcomings and failure.

    Installing the already questionable and outdated engine in a heavier all-wheel drive vehicle with off-road opportunities only makes things worse. The failure you will experience is the iron piston sleeves coming loose inside the aluminum block. At first you will experience increased engine noise, especially when you start the vehicle. As it progresses, coolant and motor oil will begin to mix.... and/or become consumed during combustion. Everyone who reports overheating or lack of coolant is way past the failure point of these engines. The symptoms they report are the result of the failure, not the cause of failure.

    Once you engine does fail, the story gets worse.

    Land Rover says the engine and tolerances are too delicate to be re-built at the dealership. The engine factory (Rover) is now out of business, closed and defunct. The tooling for this engine was sold to a Chinese company and shipped far-east. For the last 2-3 years, Land Rover has contracted that Chinese company to "keep things running". Land Rover ships failed engine blocks to China to be re-built. There are no new engine blocks. Every $7000-$8000 engine job in this forum includes a motor that has failed at least once already. Your replacement motor will not last as long as the first one.

    My first motor lasted 48K miles. My second motor went 18K miles. It failed 15 days after the one year warranty. Service records were found to be in order, but the determination was “tough luck”. 15 days over, so I had to pay for a third motor.

    What caused this predicament? Worldwide Freelanders are an awesome vehicle. However those are all four-cylinder gas or diesel vehicles with stick-shifts. Your engine and transmission is a marketing "cob job" for the "American Market".

    My Freelander is gone, but just today I was at the Dealer having my Jaguar serviced, and I inquired how things were going with the Freelander product. There's a new policy. The dealer can no longer simply order a motor when one fails. Each vehicle must be “evaluated” by the factory. Apparently, they have begun to run out of engine blocks in repairable condition.

    Land Rover was sold by Ford to Tata in India this morning. You can only expect more complication in keeping this vehicle on the road – at any cost.

    Trade it in in good conscience.

    Dave
  • tpeeltpeel Posts: 17
    hi folks,

    update from the english forum from a person in the know-
    It's fair to say that the later thermostat was an uprated one but I don't consider that a modification. Engines factory fitted with these thermostats are failing the same as the previous ones. The later thermostat has a variable temperature range versus loading, that is, under load and more heat being generated, the engine temperature is lowered to 78-80 degrees C. Conversely if the engine is under light loading the engine's coolant temperature is allowed to increase to 95-97 degrees C. It's a good idea but it doen't save the engine from blowing its SLS head gasket.

    The THREE major problems are in the engine and one of them is the SLS head gasket which was simply not robust enough over time.

    The cooling system issues would not have happened if the basic design faults were not present in the engine. All of the cooling system configurations have been okay even though Rover/ Land Rover didn't actually follow the well know paths of automotive engineering. No one in their right mind for example would design and fit the return pipe over the back of the engine like Rover did. What were they thinking of? It doesn't look right because it isn't. I can't think of one automotive design engineer that I know who would pass it.

    The problem with the car passing all tests is the time frame. The gasket deteriorates over time and use, not just use. Thousands of miles in a few months is okay.

    The K16 and KV6 that are rebuilt and modified by Heritage Mechanical Services in New Zealand are not failing but it is still early days unfortunately. These engines are rebuilt correctly and include modifications. The block coolant ones were devised by myself. Nothing can be done about the cylinder head. The claim is that the engines have been made reliable enough.

    There is no getting away from it, these engines have some ridiculous design aspects to them and the fault is Rovers.

    As an asside, the original long bolts are fine for re-use provided they measure the prescribed length. I have never seen an original Rover bolt fail, they are top quality bolts. I've seen a replacement part manufacturers bolts fail.
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