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Nissan Altima

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  • redline65redline65 Posts: 693
    A loaded 2001 Altima runs around $23.5K, MSRP. A loaded 2002 Altima will have to top that by at least $1500, if not $2K - $3K more. And the demand will probably be pretty high at first, so there may not be much discounting. I'm guessing one with all options and automatic tranny will cost most people around $25K + TTL.
  • roninjoutenroninjouten Posts: 201
    23k for a 4 banger that's smaller than its comp and weaker in every respect! I had no idea Nissan was this stupid.
  • nikecarnikecar Posts: 460
    roninjouten Jun 7, 2001 10:59am

    The loaded GLE tops in the 23K. Compared to Accord EX at 22K+. However, the GLE includes leather bigger tires and some others. Honda doesn't include those. Add to the fact Nissan discounts more and that 23K is gone. If you spend 23K on MSRP you are a fool. I know 2 people who have gotten under 20K loaded. Try that with an accord.
  • redline65redline65 Posts: 693
    I agree. The current Altima should be heavily discounted right now, with the new model coming in September. Anyone wanting to save some money on a 4 banger would probably want to get one now rather than wait until the 2002 models, since there will most certainly be a nice price hike.
  • roninjoutenroninjouten Posts: 201
    um...got the leather and its MSRP is 25,540. Carsdirect price $23,224.

    If you mean the Accord EX with the puny 2.3L 4, then the MSRP, with leather is 22,990 and the carsdirect price is 20,758.

    Not very hard to get an Accord under MSRP. In fact it's quite easy.
  • lsclsc Posts: 210
    Nissan had a good thing going with the first generation Altima. They just botched it up with the 98 - present Altima that has no character, not to mention being smaller than the Camry and the Accord 4 cyl. You see how Honda responded with the 98 Accord, when it realized that the smaller sized Accord was not what the customers were looking for. Nissan must have the dumbest marketing research folks out there because it doesn't seem like they have a clue.

    Case in point - Q45, just when all the luxury cars were going for performance. Nissan/Infiniti reduces the HP in the 1997 Q45. They claim performance advantages and even changed the slogan to Accelerating the future, yet the new Q is slower than the Lexus. And I don't think the new Q is more luxurious than the almost Rolls Royce like LS430. Just watch..even though the Q is a very, very nice car and they have come a long way...if the new Q's 340hp only does 0-60 in 6.5... it'll be another also ran in the luxury market.

    The new Altima seems real nice but the other carmakers are not resting on their laurels... we'll see what the new Camry looks like and in 2003, the Accord. You don't think Toyota can make a 3.5 ltr engine that can put out 240hp? Honda can just put the 3.2 liter Type-s engine from the TL/CL...and wholla! No R&D cost and a 260HP engine!!!

    Nissan has a long road ahead, they need to hit home runs for the next 5 years to become a formidable power again.
  • ludacrisludacris Posts: 185
    at least nissan was finally able to gain profit last year (after many years of debt). hopefully they'll be able to keep it up
  • lsclsc Posts: 210
    the first thing that Nissan has to make sure is that they retire the lame 5-speed in the Maxima..another opportunity lost, if I might add... and put in a decent 5-speed worthy of the rest of the car. If they put the same 5-speed in, which will most likely be the case...it'll be history repeating itself... another Nissan car with a terrible achilles heel.

    Still wondering if they'll have the automatic climate control in the top of the line Altima. Anyone know?
  • ludacrisludacris Posts: 185
    the maximas getting a 6 speed manual this fall (with the 02s)
  • nikecarnikecar Posts: 460
    roninjouten Jun 7, 2001 2:09pm

    well then your area pricing is different.. EX 2.3 with leather is
    Carsdirect: 21,569
    MSRP: 23,790
    Invoice: 22,774
    (Honda2001.com lists MSRP WITH spoiler at 24,359 as no option with Carsdirect)

    Altima?
    CD: 19,545
    MSRP: 23,314
    Invoice: 21,295
    including ABS, Security, cabin filter, 6 disc changer and standard spoiler. Let's not forget 16" rims, and a longer powertrain warranty.

    hmmm so I can get a comparable car with a longer powertrain warranty, bigger tires for $2000 less than an Accord thru Carsdirect. hmmm decisions..

    an looking at the options of next year's Altima.. 180base HP or a 240 HP V6 big jump from this yrs Accord. better options IMO.. hmmmm.
  • venus537venus537 Posts: 1,443
    "hmmm so I can get a comparable car with a longer powertrain warranty, bigger tires for $2000 less than an Accord thru Cars direct. hmmm decisions.."

    Some of us don't think the current Altima is a comparable car to the Accord. hmmm...
  • hkchanhkchan Posts: 420
    Most people consider the Accord more car for more money. If one thinks they're comparable, that's all it matters - to that person. Just accept the fact that you're in the minority - nothing wrong with that.
  • cncmancncman Posts: 487
    Ok,
    Other than the fact that the accord is slightly larger inside, how is it more for the money?
    you have a standard 155hp DOHC engine with a timing chain VS, an optional 150hp SOHC with a timing belt, the V TEC also requires a valve adjustment at I believe 30,000 miles. Altima has 2 liquid filled engine mounts, accord one. Suspension modifications on the altima are not even available on the accord, (ASD shocks, strut tower brace, Sport trim). No home link transmitter on any 4cylinder accords, 4channel ABS vs 3 channel, 100 watt CD& cassette VS 80 watt CD.
    and 5yr/60,000 mile warranty VS 3yr/36,000 mile warranty. And actually JD power data does show that the 4cylinder accord, camry and altimas are heavily cross shopped. So, please explain for us the minority how all of this for a couple thousand less is less for the money? What would you compare the 4cylinder accord to, a Maxima?
  • hkchanhkchan Posts: 420
    The majority is the American car-buying public. It doesn't have to be right. It's all in the perception. Why's Nissan coming out with a much-larger Altima? Why do people say "Nissan can finally compete with the Accord/Camry"? When the new Altima is finally released, most people will prefer it over the current one. A minority will, however, still prefer the old one. They may say the new one's more like the Accord/Camry. I'm looking at this topic from a marketing point of view. Sell to the public what it wants (if you're going after volume).
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Posts: 6,257
    Nissan's old Atlima was narrowly marketed to those budget minded people who were willing to sacrifice a few things for the lower priced, smaller Altima compared to its supposed competitors the Camry and Accord. In reality, the car buying public saw the Altima in some odd never-never land, not quite a puny compact like a Sentra and not quite a midsize like a Camry/Taurus.

    Nissan is going for distinct branding now. The New line up will involve a Sentra, Altima and Maxima at all the major selling points for non luxury cars. Before they had the Nissan competing against the Civic and the Max as a minimal contender with either the Avalon or Camcord. The Altima was odd man out. Obviously that marketing and design approach was wretched. With three clear lines and three segments to attack Nissan stands a better chance of making serious inroads with the Altima and Maxima brands in 2003 (when the Max goes toe-to-toe with the Avalon).
  • cyranno99cyranno99 Posts: 419
    Also, remember that the Altima was a replacement for the slow-selling Stanza which competed well against Ford Tempo and such - not against Accord/Camry/Taurus.
  • hvtec2000hvtec2000 Posts: 12
    I talked to my friend who's working at the dealer and he said that the new 02 altima cost about 20,000 on the road with full option. I think V6 will cost about 22,000 +. That's all I know. But count me in for this nice car... I'm driving the civic 01 and it made from plastic bottle with recycle engein.
  • nikecarnikecar Posts: 460
  • speedracer3speedracer3 Posts: 650
    ;)

    Speed <---- quick at the draw
  • har1bushhar1bush Posts: 207
    Wow, if those prices hold true, these cars will be selling like hot cakes! Now it'll be just a matter of how the Maximas are priced as well as how the new Camry will look and drive (although it probably won't compare with at least 20 hp less than the Altima!!!).
  • dudkadudka Posts: 451
    i am a current honda civic owner, and i am thinking about getting an altima. the only reason i am considering altima is because it is smaller than accord and bigger than a civic. but after reading here about people's problems i am not so sure i want an altima. right now nissan offers a $2000 rebate on 2001 altimas. the question is, is altima as reliable as civic? what about resale value?
    thank you
  • nikecarnikecar Posts: 460
    dudka Jun 14, 2001 8:48am

    I find my 99 as reliable as any family member's Accord or civics. (5 cars in extended family).

    Resale isn't as high, but its still pretty good. Of course you are paying for that resale value up front
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Posts: 6,257
    The Altima is not nearly as reliable and its resale is horrid. Those rebates hurt the car's resale in the long run.

    Plus this is the last year of a design that sold poorly.

    Of course luxury wise an Altima is leagues beyond the Spartan interior of a Civic. Additionally, the 150 hp engine pulls much more strongly than Honda's anemic VTEC system on those puny 4's. VTEC, IMHO, should be banned on any car with fewer than 6 cylinders.
  • jmfreshourjmfreshour Posts: 57
    My wife has a 95 Altima SE with 106k miles. Only item replaced has been a faulty air bag computer. I've had all of the scheduled maintenance performed and regular oil changes. A buddy of mine has a 93 Altima GLE with 180k miles. No major problems. I can only assume that the newer Altimas will be just as reliable. The Smyrna, TN plant has won quality awards in the past. But this topic is about the 02 Altima. If they keep the pricing right, we'll be getting another one. The 02 has to be aggressively priced to compete with the perception of superior Honda/Toyota quality. Fine cars in their own right, but in my experience, Nissan is just as reliable. If the 02 undercuts Camcords by $1,000 or so, I'm quite positive that Nissan will have a huge hit on their hands. My $0.02. Cheers.
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Posts: 6,257
    Anecdotal "evidence" is essentially useless, even if you have 200 friends who claim their Altimas ran perfectly. CR, Edmunds, JD Power all keep track of these issues and while an Altima may rank higher than American counterparts, but it falls far short when compared to the legendary reliability of Hondas and its Civic and Accord lines in particular.

    I owned a nissan ofr 6 years and it ran very well -great car- but compared to an Acura or Honda I must be realistic.
  • jmfreshourjmfreshour Posts: 57
    When you add up everyone's "anecdotal evidence," don't you get what CR, JD Powers, Edmunds, etc. report as being the reliability issues? Where else do you think they get their ratings, just make them up? You will get no argument from me that Hondas are excellent cars, with stellar reliability. I, for one, have had great experience with Nissans. I never purported to be speaking for the entire group of Nissan owners (I'll leave that to CR, JD Powers, Edmunds, etc.), only what I have experienced. I'm sure that one could also find Honda owners who have had bad experiences with their vehicles. The bottom line is, Nissan also makes a great product.
  • speedracer3speedracer3 Posts: 650
    The Altima won this year's JD Power's initial quality award. I don't see any Civics or
    Accords in that list. Therefore I would make the argument that the Altima is more reliable than the Civic or Accord. No anectdotal evidence here.


    http://www.jdpower.com/auto/winners.asp?StudyID=517&CatID=1

  • cncmancncman Posts: 487
    Here's more non anecdotal information, Intellichoice which rates vehicles on cost of ownership, including resale value, repairs, insurance, maintenance, fuel cost etc. The Altima costs 42 cents/ mile to drive, the EX accord 4cylinder costs 45cents/mile, I mean come on here, both the nissans and the hondas are extremely reliable, the fact that data varies so much from third parties just proves that there is not a huge gap between the two. And blueguy, where do you get your info from anyway? The altima sold about 150,000 units 99-00 year, 4cylinder accord about 200,000. And this is without rebates! I wouldn't call that slow selling, why do you? Also as far as the resale value, with the rebates now, you can buy a GXE limited edition in the mid $15,000 range, 99-01 altimas GXE's are still selling for $12-13,000 depending on miles and condition, I don't think this is too bad.
  • s852s852 Posts: 1,051
    Initial Quality and reliability of the long term is not the same thing.
    JD Powers now has some kind of bogus rating that allows unreliable cars to be rated highly. I think it is something like "Most Desirable" or some other ridiculously subjective rating.
    VWs and some other unreliable, but "interesting" cars score well under this category.
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