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Nissan Altima

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  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    ..."way cooler" I can take to the bank. Oh well...
  • keyrowkeyrow Posts: 214
    I can get an Infiniti I35. More room, far superior materials, better warranty, better customer service and a guaranteed loaner whenever service is required. This is a no brainer. Why would anyone even look at an Altima at this price?
  • dabtijdabtij Posts: 20
    That is true. But I don't think anyone's going to actually pay 29.5K for an Altima. They definitely move off the MSRP.

    Infiniti, on the other hand, really won't, especially for the G35.
  • capitanocapitano Posts: 509
    you can't get an I35 with a real transmission and for some people that makes all the difference in the world.
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Posts: 1,467
    I need a "REAL" transmission.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    If I had a choice between an Infiniti I35 and an Altima, I would definitely take the I35. Better customer service, loaner cars, the "snob appeal" that comes with the Infiniti cachet.

    I wonder if the seats are the same as the Maxima's though? I rented a 2002 Maxima SE for one day, and could not get comfortable after messing with the seat controls for about 20 minutes...
  • capitanocapitano Posts: 509
    but again, no manual means I ain't buying it.

    Funny how it is more upscale than the Altima but it still gets panned for the interior which isn't up the level of the competition (which, to be fair, generally cost quite a bit more).

    Your points about better dealer treatment are valid, but can't overcome the lack of choice in the drivetrain (for me).

    Not that I could really afford one without breaking the bank, but next year when Infiniti brings out the manual 6 speed I might be interested.

    What's the deal with these automatics anyway? Lexus's IS300 is a nice car, but the biggest gripe against it was the lack of a manual. They fixed that now. Didn't Infiniti learn from that?
  • stebustebu Posts: 204
    The I35 is very nice. I can't say enough good things about the 3.5L engine. But I'm not alone there. Not sure where you are getting your information about the I35 interior. Even Edmund's editors, who generally speaking are not big Infiniti proponents, had this to say, "The roomy, comfortable and feature-laden cabin is another plus". Of course interiors are largly subjective, but having driven an I35 as a loaner for a day, I must agree with Edmunds on this point. Forget the sports package with this car. As an entry level luxo-cruiser, the I35 is quite the bargain.

    As for the IS300, the gripe about the lack of a manual hurt it somewhat with it's target audience but I don't think that is a killer. The market it plays in is dominated by cars sold mostly with automatics, including BMW. I, too, am a big fan of rowing my own gears. But, I must say the IS300 with the steering wheel mounted shift buttons was a fairly engaging experience once I started to get the hang of them.
  • capitanocapitano Posts: 509
    come from the two comparos I saw in Motor Trend and Road and Track. Both rated the I35 quite highly in performance, second only to the BMW. Similarly the editors commented that the interior was inferior to the competition. Don't know if the interior is significantly weaker or if the editors just latched onto that as evidence of their objectivity -everything must have its plusses and minuses. On the BMW, for example, they harped on the price and the run flat tires.
  • dabtijdabtij Posts: 20
    The engine sounds good, but looking at the car, it looks very BLAND. The Altima has it beat in the looks department, inside and out. Of course, that's all subjective. I haven't owned an Infiniti before, but I would think that the less you see of the dealer during your ownership, the better it is...
  • capitanocapitano Posts: 509
    As I go back and relook at those two issues, the comments on the interior were less pronounced than I thought.

    R&T said that the design was generally liked by all the editors, but that there were some concerns about the long-term durability of the materials.

    MT didn't say much at all.
  • aftyafty Posts: 499
    I think you are talking about the G35 and not the I35. The recent Motor Trend and Road & Track articles tested the G35.
  • capitanocapitano Posts: 509
    Indeed I am. Disregard all my drivel.

    Dang.
  • meegs24meegs24 Posts: 3
    Black paint on the 02 Altima is cheap indeed. I haven't seen any bubbling of the clearcoat (yet) but it doesn't take much to scratch the paint. I use sheepskin mits and a supposedly "scratch-proof" squeegee when I wash my car and it still scratches quite easily. Don't get the black.
  • dabtijdabtij Posts: 20
    And I wanted a black Altima too. But the main reason would have been because everyone and their mothers have silver. Oh well, I guess I'll have to blend in with the masses...
  • aftyafty Posts: 499
    I'm one of the masses with the silver. I bought it mostly because it's easier to take care of than other colors. I can go 3-4 weeks without a wash and it still looks good.

    I was rethinking my decision the other night when I was driving to a friend's place. I came to a stoplight, looked around, and spotted 2 other silver '02 Altimas at the same light! At that point, I concluded that this color may be a bit too popular.

    Have you seen the new blue and red colors? I think they look good. Pewter also looks good to me.
  • capitanocapitano Posts: 509
    I liked the 02 Ruby color and the opal blue or whatever it was. The new blue doesn't appeal to me much. The seascape is different, probably not for me though. I do like the mystic emerald and have only seen a few on the road.

    My wife likes silver, but I really don't.

    BTW, is it me or has something changed in the last few years to make silver a more popular color?
  • dabtijdabtij Posts: 20
    I haven't seen the new blue. I didn't like last year's definition of "blue". It was more of a teal color I think.

    Is the new blue closer to a darker navy blue? It seems a lot of its colors are more pastel, instead of bold and defining.
  • aftyafty Posts: 499
    I haven't seen the new blue in person, but from pictures it seems darker than last year's opal blue. Still not a dark blue like you were hoping for.


    I actually liked last year's ruby and opal blue colors as well. I don't know why Nissan got rid of them.


    Let me see if I can include a picture of the blue:

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  • cfocfocfocfo Posts: 147
    1) The new RED, Sonoma Sunset looks great to me. Anyone have poor paint issues with dark RED ? Or are the paint problems primarily with Black and darker hues as mentioned ?

    The thought of buying a new car and having bubbling clearcoat ??!!, well .... let's say a cheesy interior is do-able with the 2003 fixes, but Bad Paint on New Car, Scarey !

    I might add that the 9 year old Honda we own is still fun to handwash, (well - twice a year) as the paint still looks & feels brand new !

    2) Regarding the 2003s, are we back to looking at near-sticker prices, the way the 2002s were priced when they rolled out ? Or was that just because of the new model change ? I think the 2002s are now priced around $200 over invoice, ($ 1, 800 under Sticker).

    Thanks
  • dabtijdabtij Posts: 20
    Hey, that looks pretty good! I might check that color out.

    I talked to the salesperson a couple of weeks ago and I asked about the '03s. He didn't mention anything about the pricing being anything unusual. He was offering me $600 over invoice on a 2002 and I would think he'd have mentioned what a good deal it was if they were sticking to MSRP on the 03...
  • aftyafty Posts: 499
    Here's a pic of the new red color for those interested:


    image


    It doesn't look that different from the old ruby color, IMO.

  • Dealers are giving good prices on the '03's. I am in the midwest and I was about ready to buy an '02...it was a fully loaded SE that stickered at $29,500 and I had a great deal at $27,000 ! However I thought I would wait a week or so and price the '03's, I have been shopping via the net and I already have quotes from two dealers on a similar '03 SE of about $27,200. So obviously they are dealing on the new ones as well.

    It obviously takes some time but if you do some home work and shop online with their internet managers, there are good deals out there !

    Hope this helps with the pricing questions.....
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    ...if you consider $27k for any Altima a great deal. I surely do not.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    Wholeheartedly agree. You can get a Maxima GLE for that...
  • ...if you are looking for a Maxima then no, it is not a great deal ! But if you happen to want an Altima then I would say that it is. Either way, it is all subjective.
  • capitanocapitano Posts: 509
    Here's how I almost went nuts.

    I saw an Altima in the parkling lot and work and thought it was a Q45. I walked beside it and when I saw Altima I about passed out. I went inside and started pulling up stats on it. Up until that point I was mainly interested in the RSX-S.

    While on a trip I went to Nissan dealer across the street from the Hotel. After reading the reviews and seeing the internet prices I was shocked when I saw the window sticker on the 3.5s. $29k. "I can get a maxima for that."

    Start comparing the Maxima as I had always liked the Maxima, but had considered it above my price range. Configuring a nice SE, "I can get a TL for about that price..."

    "But why get the TL when I can get a IS300 for a little more?"

    after a while I was looking at A4 Avants, and Passat wagons. Finally I started calculating monthly payments and shook myself out of the sell up cycle.

    I'm still interested in the Altima SE, but the assinine way they have configured the options is starting to turn me off. Why can't I get any decent features without the sunroof and all the other crap?

    It's like they think that if you want the 3.5 then you must automatically want all the other crap, otherwise you'd be looking at the 2.5s.
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Posts: 1,467
    ...and I personally think it looks okay at best. I looks nothing like the old Opal Blue though. It's VERY VERY bright. Almost too bright for my eyes. I'd consider it, but I am sure that I will like Sonoma Sunset better.
  • wackawacka Posts: 16
    I'd have to agree with you on that one, I am waffling between the Altima and Passat, and what really turns me off on the Altima is how they are handling the option packages..

    I am also ticked off that in the SL level trim which they said they upgraded the leather for 2003, you can not get it in a Manual transmission anymore (according to build your own on the Nissan site)... ARggh....

    It's the pacakaging BS that has pissed me off, cause I can't get the options I want, or powertrain without getting a bunch of crap I have no use for...

    Side note, every Nissan dealer I have been to in the Northern VA area are jerks, and every VW dealership I've been to has been quite cordial. However, I've been hearing alot of bad things about VW's service departments in this area..

    Sigh.. the madness continues..
  • grogman1grogman1 Posts: 76
    I agree with the above..........Nissan could use some technical help to at least simplify the "build" part of their site. I've tried four times to build a 2.5SL with the features that I want and each time have said "screw it" shortly into the process due to the delays created by all of the pop up windows......and I haven't even had the chance to experience the "joy" of dealership experience of the previous posters. Oh well.
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