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Nissan Altima



  • nikecarnikecar Posts: 460
    as Kartez mentioned (and I was checking nissan driven right before seeing his/her post), check NissanDriven...

    what does it list as competitors to the GXE auto Alty?

    Camry, Accord, 626, Jetta, Galant.

    And those where the cars I was looking at when I was looking to buy mine, except the Camry. Don't want Toyota.

    Also, Carpoint compares the Alty to: (longer list) Passat???, Camry, Legacy, SaturnLS, GrandAm, Ply Breeze, Alero, Galant, Mystique ,626, Sonato, Accord, Leganza, Countor, Stratus, and Malibu.

    and the IIHS compares the ALty to other midsize inexpensives such as, Cavalier, Malibu, cirrus.stratus/breeze, leganza, contour/mystique, accord, sonata,626, galant, grandAm/Alero, Saturn L, Legacy, Camry,

  • har1bushhar1bush Posts: 207
    Ok, so why do I get the impression that I have just about everyone who checks this post agreeing with me, while you are on your own? I guess the rest of the world is an idiot except you. BTW Good job backing up your statements with some true hardcore facts -- would you like mommy to give you a little star now?
  • tcpip1tcpip1 Posts: 121
    Who cares about whether the previous generations of Altima's compete with Accord/Camry. We all know now that Nissan wants the '02 Altima to compete with the Accord/Camry, right?
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Posts: 1,467
    According to my Consumer Guide the Malibu is a midsize, but they say that the Passat is a compact, I could be wrong. Either way, I am through talking about the 1998-2001 Altima, I am more interested in what info people are getting on the new Altima, anything new?

    BTW, I brought the latest issue of Automobile Magazine, to my surpise, the Altima's exterior was the 3.5SE, but the interior was of the 2.5S with cloth, which didn't look all that good, kind of like the cloth in the GXE Maxima. But I could live with it. The shifter looks nice, I am definately getting the 5 speed. I don't understand the review that well, all they seem to do is harp on the styling, one minute they call it "handsome" then they turn around and call it "derivative and bland" I just wish they would make up there minds. Styling on the new Altima is beyond any Nissan lately IMO, besting the current Maxima, Altima and Sentra. Although I still like the 1 generation Altima the best. Definately going to buy this car, I CAN'T WAIT!!!
  • himomerhimomer Posts: 59
    Altima's exterior was the 3.5SE, but the interior was of the 2.5S with cloth

    that was the exact thing that kinda confused me last week but then i clicked. I wonder how the SE Sport V-6 Camry will do when compared to the 3.5SE
  • har1bushhar1bush Posts: 207
    no way the new Camry SE will come close to the Altima SE... I dont think Toyota has the guts to mess with their bread and butter sedan to make it more "sporty" as opposed to Nissan, which has always put out cars with the driver in mind first(although accomodations for the passengers are well thought out as well). Plus, the Camry will probably sport the strut suspensions front and back with 16" wheels -- the Altima will have Q45/Skyline-ish suspension and 17 inchers. Of course, the Altima also has the engine putting out much more power. I think it's just a matter of whether Nissan cut back a bit on refinement compared to the Camry.
  • wenyuewenyue Posts: 558
    Hahah, nice try. Even your little failed effort at humor can't change the hard fact that the current Altima is in a different class than the Camry/Accord.

    If you think the rest of the world is with you, you better take another look around you. Seems to me, the rest of the world made it quite clear that they don't cross shop between the compact Altima and the midsize camrcords.

    Well, I won't go down to the level of personal insults like you are. I rest assured knowing the reality of the market. You might not think so, but hey, you aren't the majority of the population. :)
  • wenyuewenyue Posts: 558
    Passat is a midsize car. With a interior room of 95.5 cubic feet.
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    Go back and take a look at most of the discussion for the past 100 posts, and my reaction is "what difference does it make"? Who cares how the marketplace splits its perception of the Camry, Accord, Altima, and Maxima?

    Nissan has an opinion, and has acted on it. No one is going to buy any of these cars because of some preconceived notion about what niche they fit in the automotive universe.

    You drive, you compare, you make your choice. Give it a rest on the endless discussion about marketplace positioning and perceived strategic advantages. Methinks all of this is using bandwidth to no good purpose...
  • cncmancncman Posts: 487
    Anyone remember I posted the fuel economy figures? Comments? This was a big sticking point not too long ago, with folks writing the altima off for have SUV like fuel economy.
  • wenyuewenyue Posts: 558
    26 MPG for the 3.5 V6 is acceptable to me. It's much better than the 18 mpg Nissan first released. 28 mpg would have been ideal, but 26 mpg is within the range I find tolerable.
  • cncmancncman Posts: 487
    Actually, not to start another argument, but Nissan never released the 18 figure, that was from an article, and noone has figured out if they misquoted or what, as early as last month, Nissan gave estimates very similar to the final numbers.
  • wenyuewenyue Posts: 558
    The 18 mpg was released by Nissan when it was first shown at the autoshow. They stated that with the 20 gallon gas tank, the 3.5L V6 had a range of 360 miles. Of course, little math by reporters and journalists gave the 18 mpg figure.
  • The paint process for the new Altima. If I have one complaint about my black Maxima it is the horrible paint quality. My car is only 2 years old and it scratches so easily it is ridiculus. Be warned, Nissan is known for crappy paint jobs especially in dark colored cars. I wish I would have known to stay away from the dark colors (now I know!). Thank god it's a lease so I don't have to live with the awful scratches.
  • cncmancncman Posts: 487
    Umm, Wenyue,
    Actually, I know the article you are refering too, it was not written by Nissan, there was never an official press release from Nissan and it was never on their website quoting 18mpg or the math that gets you there. It seems that either the article misquoted or they were not talking to the right people. Nissan did not release EPA numbers until just a few days ago.

    BTW, for the interests of marketing numbers, here's some cross shopping info, anyone can do what they want with it, but I think this is the first hard numbers I have seen anyone post in reference to this.

    %of altima buyers that also shopped competitors,

    10.22% Camry 4 cylinder
    9.02% Accord 4 cylinder
    2.52% Galant
    1.13% Mazda 626

    % of maxima buyers that also shopped competitors,
    12.48% Toyota Camry V6
    4.96% Accord V6
    4.41% Toyota Avalon
    2.44% VW Passat V6

    Maritz second quarter combined study
  • wenyuewenyue Posts: 558
    only one out of ten of Altima buyers considers Camry/Accords? It proves my point. Not much cross shopping between Altima and Camcords.

    But I seem to have under estimated how much cross shopping that goes on between Maxima and Camcords. Only 12.5% of the Maxima buyers should consider Camr/cords? That's a bit odd. What's the percentage of cross shopping between Camry & Accord & Ford Taurus, the 3 sterotypical midsize car? It should probably in the high 70-80% range.
  • jimxojimxo Posts: 423
    All this discussion about these three cars and engine types is silly.

    It will take 6-12 months to see how the new Altima competes with the Camry and Accord. All this speculation is a waste of time unless you work for one of these companies.

    Lets talk about how much over invoice people are willing to pay. Next month we all will have seen and driven both cars and only then will opinions matter.
  • wenyuewenyue Posts: 558
    Just curious.
  • cncmancncman Posts: 487
    I thought you were the resident expert on marketing and what the people say, why aren't you familiar with the biggest automotive cross shopping survey out there? The way the survey is conducted, will show low percentages, it would be unusual to get something over say 20% or so. It does not include folks that just compared on the internet or magazines etc. What this shows is that the car most altima buyers that cross shopped compared with is the camry 4cylinder and second the accord 4cylinder, none was shopped more, the civics did not register nor did the protege. For the maxima, it shows that most maxima buyers who cross shopped comapred it with the camry V6 and second, the V6 accord, 4 cylinders did not register. you would never have something in the 70-80% range. So the people who are going to cross shop an altima are most likely to look at a 4cylinder accord/camry and the ones that cross shop the maxima are most likely to look at V6 camry/accords that is what can be drawn from the survey. And remember, like you said, marketing statistics don't lie.
  • I've seen pics of the new Altima and must say the styling is a bit too daring for the family sedan market. The exterior less so than the interior, I just think a lot of shoppers will shy away from the adverturous and go with the Accords and Camries. I personally kind of like it, but I've seen why people usually choose the Camcords - their interiors don't offend at all, and they are stylishly classy, if highly restrained. Most buyers of these cars are not willing to live with adventurous styling for years on end. The novelty fades fast.

    I took a look at the Isuzu Axiom recently (just curious) and its styling is BOLD. The exterior was beautiful except for the grille, which was just insanely designed. The interior had ALL the good stuff (LCD screen, auto climate, power seats, leather, shiny trim) but the car missed the mark on so many things. The LCD screen was an annoying hue of orange, the seats were only 4 way adjustable and had no height adjustment, the leather was thin and unsubstantial, the leather and plastic was colored a strange shade of 'carrot" which they thought was tan. These are the details that Honda (MDX) and Toyota (RX) sweat that make their cars so much more appealing. Now, that's not to knock the Axiom - for its price, you certainly get more than a fair share of excellent features. But that's the dilemma that Nissan is facing with the Altima. Are people willing to live with daring styling that will be dated after a year in order to get a better price and more power? Or are they going to stay with the conservative Accord and Camry, knowing that their cars will be tasteful many years down the road, which translates to a higher resale value?

    Like I said, the Altima is a promising car and will get a lot of buyers just as the original did after the Stanza was fading away. But looking long-term, the car will have to be revised if Nissan is looking to establish the Altima as a true competitor to the Accords and Camries.
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