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Honda Civic Si / SiR 2005 and earlier

pocahontaspocahontas Posts: 802
edited March 11 in Honda
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  • pocahontaspocahontas Posts: 802
    I'm going to go head repost some information:


    To start, here's a direct link to Edmunds.com's (2001 New York Auto Show) coverage of the new 2002 Honda Civic Si.


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  • pocahontaspocahontas Posts: 802
    AND here are a few pics from the article:


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    image image What do you think? Thanks for your comments. ;-)


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  • rwgreenbergrwgreenberg Posts: 154
    This looks great. Thank God the Japanese are back in the low priced hatchback game. Or at least let's hope it's relatively low priced.
  • dudkadudka Posts: 451
    you know, civic si will have a stiffer competition this year than ever before. mitsu is bringing their lancer evo, with 4 wheel drive and turbo, subaru brought their impreza wrx. i see alot of 2001 civic`s with 4wd here in japan, just wondering why wouldn`t they bring it to us. i am actually consdering audi for my next car because of the 4 wheel drive in a that car. i don`t want a CR-V, even though it is smaller than most, it is still too high for me. i wouldn`t have minded honda HR-V, but it is not offered in the United state. Hello, honda, you have some awesome cars here in japan, bring them state side, you will see your sales fly through the roof. i want a civic si with 4wd, like impreza wrx, lancer evolution, audi A4 with quatro, or jdm civic 5 door hacch with 4 wd to help me in the winter. :-)
  • mdrivermdriver Posts: 385
    Honda sales are already through the roof (except for the '01 Civic). The '02 Civic Si will be made in the UK and imported to the US. They will probably only import a handful, ensuring that avaiability is low and price is high.

    I predict the Si will be priced close to $20k. Why? Because the old Si coupe was $18k and that had no ABS or side air bags, both of which come on the Si.
  • hoanvthoanvt Posts: 8
    I'm just so glad that Honda is still faithful to its royal fans.
  • kostamojen2kostamojen2 Posts: 284
    Faithful? with that ugly thing? :( Not to mention the loss of the 'bones! :(

    No thanks!
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,424
    Well, since my last comment got lost ....

    That thing is ugly. What designer (or team) thought that the Focus and the Echo were worth ripping off?

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • rmtraderrmtrader Posts: 30
    Ugly? Thy name is WRX. Yet, the WRX drives so well that it's owners care less about its profile than the feel behind the wheel. I suspect that the Civic SI will fall into the same category. Remember, there are only so many ways to design a hatchback.....
  • epicuruxepicurux Posts: 5
    At least the WRX has REAL performance ...
    That SI looks so much like a Focus ...
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,424
    If you think that looks like an old Civic, I think you either need glasses or you should take another look. That front end is right from a focus.


    let's see:


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    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,424
    hmmmm.... Are those even 2 different cars? I just can't tell.


    And, how about for comparison, we throw in a

    92 Civic (sorry, i don't have a better picture, but I think this one shows enough):

    image


    I have to apologize, I'm usually not so sarcastic, but sometimes its just plain fun.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,424
    Oh, and one more thing, ugly may be subjective, but at least the WRX can be picked out easily from a crowd. Maybe that's not always the best thing (especially when in a line of speeders when blowing past a trooper). But I give the designers credit for thinking outside the box (not to mention I LOVE the WRX for looks AND performance.)

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • rmtraderrmtrader Posts: 30
    epicurux, qbrozen,

    the WRX is still one of ugliest cars on the road. Thanks god it has good performance so it won't hang around long enough to take any stares away from the Aztec. The designers didn't think out of the box, they clearly were recent hires from Hyundai and Kia. You guys only like the looks of the WRX BECAUSE of its performance. I doubt either of you are looking at a 2.5RS just because, "I LOVE the looks." Give your heads a shake.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,424
    um.... actually I did want the RS for the looks. Its not like IT has a lot of power. There are many vehicles out there that beat it. The only reason I couldn't get an RS was because my wife was one of those who thought it was ugly.

    But, back to the issue at hand. This is the Honda Si board. How did the WRX even get mentioned here? Was it because the argument is being made that the performance of the Si makes up for its ugliness? Now THAT deserves a "head shake".

    OK. Maybe ugly is a tad harsh for the Si shown here. How about boring? Is that less offensive? I like the last Si. That was so much better looking, in my opinion. At least I could tell what that is when its coming at me on the road. I'll never spot this one unless I glance at the emblem while blasting past it in my WRX. :)

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • markwancmarkwanc Posts: 1
    I have to admit that Honda must have stole the '02 Si design right out of the garbage bins in the back of the design plan office for the Ford Focus. I happen to like the Focus, so I also now happen to like the Si (Honda, shame on you for stealing designs!). Ford is gonna have an 'SVT' Focus that has 170 HP late in '01. I guess its gonna be about $18K, so this will be interesting to see the price tag of the Honda. I like the shifter position! The SVT Focus is gonna be a 6 speed, is the '02 Si also gonna be a 6 speed? I had a 2000 Si and with the 4:40 final drive ratio, it pulled about 3,700-3,800 RPM at 60MPH. It needed a 6 speed as the high RPM was just'too much' on long trips.
  • sunilbsunilb Posts: 407
    I think this SI is too little and too late. Think of the competition: Focus SVT and Sentra SE-R V-Spec (or even regular SE-R). Both of these cars will have more torque and more hp. Combine that with the un-sophisticated suspension (read: no double-wishbone) on the SI, and I don't really see how this car will be "better" than either of those. Okay, well, I can imagine the Honda will be more reliable than the Ford but on par with the Sentra.

    I like hatchbacks, but this one is very uninspiring [aesthetically] and performance wise will pale by comparison.
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Posts: 2,228
    I'm happy Honda brought back the Civic hatch, but its design is a mixed bag. The huge headlights need to go and I absolutely hate the shifter location. I don't want my hand up in the air everytime I want to shift! Put the darn thing in between the seats where it belongs. At least the rear and side view of the car is nice, especially the two big chrome tips and the big wheels. Anyone else see a familiarity to the Golf in the rear? I also have to commend Honda on finally giving us what we want: a hatchback that is NOT barebones transportation!
  • Car designs take a few years to hit the market. The focus was being designed when the Civic hatchback was still around. Therefore, it is Ford that copied the Civic design, not vice versa. I do agree, however, that they could have made it more unique. And that colour......ughhhh!
  • liljonsonliljonson Posts: 109
    I have to say that the civic si isn't the best looking car, its pretty ugly, but it will be a great performance car with plenty of kits. lets just hope some of the body kits will fix some of the ugliness so when we some on the road that are hooked up from the outside it wont make us throw up but from the engine aspects, i think this car will be one of the fastest in its price range, now lets see if that holds true. And talking about suspension....ARE THE SERIOUS?!?!?! no double wishbone???
    I don't know wats happened to honda lately but the only cars i don't hear complaints about is the s2000 and the prelude, other than that i heard the new hondas are not worth it but i don't know that since i have never driven one =). is it true that their quality is quickly going down??
  • tgo63tgo63 Posts: 16
    I cannot understand one thing, most of car-lovers think about BMW as an ultimate driving machine. It does not comes with double-wishbone suspension. Also I believe the cost of maintainance on WRX will be much higher in a long run then on the civic. WRX is a limited production vehicle and its turbo engine will require extra care and won't last as long as a non-turbo one. In MHO the front of WRX looks awesome, but the rear end sucs. If money were not object I would just get M3, but since my budget is tight I will be happy with Civic si. If I had more money to spend on the car I would go with WRX, but for me civic will be a better value in long run. Right now we own y2k accord and 98 escort both with 5 speed tranny and looking for escort replacement.
  • mdrivermdriver Posts: 385
    Imagine that! BMWs don't use double wishbone suspension, but are considered the best handling cars. There are also some Chryslers which have double wishbone suspension but would never be regarded in the same league as a BMW. Honda did such a good marketing job on the wishbones, that it now can't shake that image. Maybe we can put to rest the double wishbone debate.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,424
    wishbone2001 -

    But, as I already pointed out, the old Civic design doesn't look like a Focus. So I don't see how Focus ripped it off. If this new Si design was circulating before the design of the Focus, then I could see your point. But it wasn't.

    Its not unusual for a car company to see a design doing well in the market (the Focus) and copy it to compete in that market. Like Markwanc said, he likes the Focus, and therefore likes the Civic. That is what Honda is shooting for.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • hoanvthoanvt Posts: 8
    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The 2002 Si looks awesome!
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,424
    I'll let those pictures do all the talking.

    Personally, I think they're both ugly (actually, all 3 if you count the echo).

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • liljonsonliljonson Posts: 109
    Yea its true that the double wishbone suspension is sticking with honda. I can't imagine a honda without it. THe beauty part, i think the car isn't great looking but it is pretty cool looking, it makes me want to know more about the car. The car doesn't look aggressive but with the SI v-tec backing it up, think it has a good reputation going for it. The stick is in a wierd place but people have told me that its better so i guess honda is trying to reclaim their rightful place as #1, they've got to do something, their cars are getting boring.
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    I see family resemblence...

    no unnecessary creases on the body side, smooth fenders, elongated roofline, rear reflectors on the body, and roof tapering to the rear.

    CX
  • wordman93wordman93 Posts: 36
    torque will this thing have? I doubt that it will be one of the fastest cars for around 18k if that's what the price will be. Especially with VW upping the power on their 1.8t models. Why didn't Honda throw in a few more ponies?

    I can only see the picture of the Focus! WUZ UP WIT DAT!?
  • bill_1bill_1 Posts: 97
    The most unfortunate thing about the Honda Si is the Acura RSX. Honda wants to make sure that the RSX Type-S is a better performer than the Civic in the American Market, as a result the Civic only gets the RSX base engine and a 5 speed manual. Still the new Si should have considerably more torque than the last Si and so should be able to out perform it. In addition it will have Antilock breaks. Still with all the competition in the pocket rocket segment, Honda may have to improve the car substantially if it wants to gain any visiblity in a tight market...
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,424
    OK. I have to say I see both now. The nose is definitely from a Focus. The windows and roofline are very much like the Civic you show.

    But, one point to your comments, there ARE creases on the body sides (refer to the 3rd pic in this discussion if you can't tell by the reflection in the pic you posted).

    I gotta admit, though, that profile shot does make it seem a bit more attractive. That is, until I see the front, then I'm irked all over again. ;)

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

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