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Honda Civic Si / SiR 2005 and earlier

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  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    SVT 3-door hatch is a real good match-up for the SI, but I think the real-world price of the Honda is a little lower. And now Ford is getting set to discontinue the SVT after this year.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • muffin_manmuffin_man Posts: 865
    The SVT is a great matchup for the Si, but at the time I was shopping, it was more expensive, and shared a terrible reliability reputation with the rest of the Focus lineup.

    I don't know what I would pick if I was shopping now, although seeing as Miatas are in the paper at the same price I bought the Si (~$15,900), that is probably what I would get.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    are in the paper at $15,9??!! Good lord, I thought those things were like $21K!

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • gee35coupegee35coupe Posts: 3,475
    Out the door. I added the fogs, flaps, mats, and cargo net. I kinda regret not going for the CD changer but I'm thinking of getting XM so I guess that would have been a waste.
  • muffin_manmuffin_man Posts: 865
    nippononly - Miatas are practically being given away here, it's insane. I would trade in, but I think I'll wait to see how the Mazdaspeed Miata is, and then the Solstice, and then the next generation Miata. Maybe I'll just wait my entire life for the perfect car to come, or until I can afford an Elise.

    gee35 - Out the door price is hard to compare between states, how much was your car before tax and license?
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    I want an Elise too!!!!!!!!

    No fair! :-(

    Until then the cars we do have are pretty darn cool, though! :-)

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • muffin_manmuffin_man Posts: 865
    True enough. I really do enjoy driving my car.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,803
    originally Lotuses imported to US were fitted with Intergra GS-R engines, but for some reason the legal imports will have Toyota Celica engine :-(
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    from the Celica is a touhg little engine, so it may be a good thing. And you also get the Toyota six-speed that goes with it. And Lotus has increased the power by 10. And the whole car weighs, like, 1950 pounds, so imagine how fast it will be!

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • muffin_manmuffin_man Posts: 865
    If you have the money to import one of the older cars, you could still do it.

    True, a B-series based Lotus would have bigger aftermarket potential, but the 2zz is still going to have enough juice to get just about anyone in lots of trouble.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,803
    I think the K20 from the Civic Type R, or RSX type S would have been a better engine choice. I never drove Celica, but I drove Vibe GT, which is supposed to have the same Yamaha engine. It was more reminiscent of older Honda engines where the car is anemic until 5000 rpm and then surges to life. That was another advantage for the Si, you did not need to wring it out to get going. Imagine what all that torque would do to a 1900 lbs body!!!
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Posts: 3,475
    out at a certain payment at 1.9%. On paper it was the previously mwentioned price at 7% tax and $499 doc fee. I ended up with a less than $200 payment while trading a 1997 Dakota 6 cyl stick with 70K on it.
  • muffin_manmuffin_man Posts: 865
    So you negotiated on payments? You got a good deal either way, but I'm curious why you would do that.
  • rewardreward Posts: 11
    I have a 2002 SI with 25K. Had initial period of rapid oil consumption (settled down after about 6K) Noticed increase in last two months (1.5 qts) Has anyone else experienced this pattern? Dealer says a quart a month is normal, but I have never owned a Honda that burnt that much even after 140K. Honda Vet
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Posts: 3,475
    because I already has worked out the maximum amount of principle that could be financed at that payment point. Once you know the intherest rate and payment, there is only so much priciple they can finance. I went into the dealership knowing the deal I wanted all the way around.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,803
    I have a 2002 as well and it was "burning" oil at a rate of 1.5-2 quarts a 1000 miles or more, then it stopped, and now i switched to synthetic and it is about 1 quart every 3000 miles.
  • ai2004ai2004 Posts: 2
    I agreed in the dealership to buy Honda Si 2004 for $17,700 (it was strangely easy) and I thought it was a good deal. I already paid deposit but after reading the messages here, I feel the price is not so good. Any suggestions on how I can proceed from here? Of course, I can just buy the car...
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Posts: 3,475
    But I would check with a few other dealerships. Shop around. You may be able to do better. Look out though, the next SI is supposed to be a screamer......I hope.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    is the next SI in the U.S. going to actually be a rebadged type R from Europe? I hope so. This is a wonderful car that deserves some popularity to go with its good qualities.

    I would think $17,7 would be about right for a new '04. Maybe you could do a little better, but the dealer and Edmunds agreed when I was pricing mine that invoice was almost exactly $18K flat. Plus the model has only recently been upgraded. There is an additional $500 holdback for dealers (at least there was a month ago), which would leave the dealer making about a $200 profit to sell you one at $17,7 (I am assuming you are including destination fee).

    I have noticed my local dealer having the same problem as before - the SI's it has in stock just sit there looking glum. One has the words "Look! Side airbags!" printed in red so as to cover most of the windshield. Honda dealers haven't had a car this hard to sell since the last days of the Prelude.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

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