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Honda Civic Si / SiR 2005 and earlier

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  • I have 6,600 miles on my SI and it's running like a top. Can't think of any complaints other than wishing they had put the 200HP engine in it to begin with. But the 160HP engine probably keeps me and my boyfriend out of alot of trouble.
  • Congrats on your new car siarizona. Silver is a good color for the car and looks awesome with the Type R kit on it.
  • vadpvadp Posts: 1,025
    I don't own a Civic.
    It's just the oil consumption problem that puzzles me.
    Today I took a look at the latest CAR mag which is being published in the UK.
    They're talking about their experiences with the long term Civic TypeR which is being build in Swindon, on the same assembly line as your Civic Si/SiR.
    They praise the car and its performance.
    They also mentioned about some unusual for Honda feedback coming from the British owners.
    According to them the Swindon-built Civic quality doesn't seem to be on par with the previous models.
    Lots of complaints about excessive oil consumption - I mean EXCESSIVE (as much as several liters per 7,000 miles in some cases), easily chipped paint, rattles, easily scratchable dashboard and some other things.
    The funny thing is that when the editors contacted Honda of UK demanding an explanation for the most common problems the factory just blamed the dealers???
    The oil consumption problem has been mentioned numerous times on this forum.
    Sounds like the new Honda engines do like to burn oil and not just during the break-in period.
    What could be the reason? An engine design? Hard to break-in internals?
    Or something else?
  • revkarevka Posts: 1,750
    Regarding: Does your Civic burn oil too?

    Thanks for your concern; however, I think our Honda Civic problems discussion might be a more appropriate place to discuss this subject. Not to mention, this subject has been rehashed here a few times already... mainly sparked on by articles and rumors..., not by actual Civic Si owner (member) experiences posted. Anyway, just my observation.

    So let's try to stick to topics that are more specifically related to Civic Si ownership and shopping experiences. ;-)

    Revka

    Hatchbacks & Wagons Host
  • revkarevka Posts: 1,750
    and congrats on your new Civic Si! Thanks for sharing the details. Happy motoring!


    Revka

    Hatchbacks & Wagons Host

  • A Focus owner talking about Civic "problems"? Now that's funny. I am just over 6500 miles and to date have used less than 1 quart of oil. So far this Civic has been just as reliable and solid as any other Honda product I've owned.
  • vadpvadp Posts: 1,025
    I guess I can't ask any question without being reminded of what I drive.
    So nice of you.
    And if you feel so unsecure and threatened I suggest you contact the above mentioned mag - one of the best magazines in the industry - and tell them how dare they try to question the Civics build quality.
  • Your "question" seems to have no basis other than to bash the Civic SI. As far as anyone feeling insecure and threatened you might wanna go check your suspension, brakes, fuel tank, and engine. The most threatening thing I've seen is the NHTSA report on the Focus. And I quote "I can't recall any vehicle having as many open investigations at one time" in regards to the Focus. That's threatening. Just curious as to why you find interest in the Si .. is it time to trade?
  • If you research the SI and oil consumption on the many consumer boards you will see that oil consumption does occur during the first few thousand miles. It's not abnormal for what is relatively a high performance engine using a low viscosity oil to consume oil during this period.

    You will also notice that Honda recommends NOT to change the oil before it's recommended intervals which is 10,000 miles for normal conditions in the Civic. Considering that most people change their oil within the first couple thousand miles to get rid of the break-in oil they would not even notice the oil consumption. 10,000 miles is on the high end of recommended intervals especially for a main stream car. With that increased interval there is more opportunity for oil consumption to become apparent. Most people wouldn't notice or care if their car burned 1 qt every oil change if they performed them every 3,000-5,000 miles.
  • vadpvadp Posts: 1,025
    Again, why do you keep bringing up the Focus?

    My question wasn't about the break-in period.
    Any engine - "high" performance or not - WILL consume oil in its first 2,000-3,000 miles. It's completely normal.
    Every car does that.
    It just seems that a lot of people here were experiencing unusually high, even for the break-in period, oil consumption rates.
    I didn't think too much of it untill the CAR mag column caught my attention.
    I just wanna know if people here are experiencing the problem after the 5,000 mile mark.
    The modern cars, even the cheapest ones, don't burn much oil if any between oil changes(no need to add).
    And just about any manufacturer requires 5,000-7,500 oil change intervals nowdays.
    In addition, if some Civics do burn at least 1 qt every oil change, then you've got a PROBLEM.
    Even if the consumption rate stays the same and doesn't increase with time as the car ages(which would be very unusual),the burning oil WILL contaminate the catalitic converter, O2 sensors, spark plugs and create other emission problems faster than you think, especially if you REALLY care about your engine and don't mind spending on certain high-end fully synthetic oils which contain higher amounts of antiwear & extreme pressure additives (zinc, phosphorus etc).
    I'm here not to "bash" the Civic. I've got better things to do with my time.
    I've been considering the Civic before and might buy one in the near future and want to know about the potential problems.
    BTW o'so passionately hated by you POS Focus (and you even never owned one, hmmm...) uses the same very thin 5W20 weighted oil and doesn't burn a "drop" between changes according to many owners I hear from, if you must know.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    my Matrix doesn't use any oil, and now has 7000 miles. I check it frequently, and it did not use a drop since the car was new. This has also been the case for every car I have ever owned new except a Saturn SL2, and that car started using oil from day one and just accelerated its use as time went by.

    But, none of those cars used 5W-20 oil, they all used 5W-30.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • 204meca204meca Posts: 366
    issue and page number with this article you are referring to? Can I read the article over the web? Do you know the web address?

    I have been angonizing over either an 02 Civic Si or O2 GTI. Both are great cars and both seem to have their potential mechanical & quality control problems. I am on the verge of getting a GTI next week but would like to read more about what people on your side of the pond are saying about the Si oil consumption before I make a final leap.

    I agree with you about the oil usage. I put 5w-20 in 97 Del sol with 75k & my 01 Tribute with 26K. Both use less than a quart per 6K miles.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Posts: 3,475
    A few facts:
    1. Many cars do use oil during break-in.
    2. No one here or on Si.com (Civic performance board) has complained of oil consumption after 10,000 or so miles.
    3. No one has complained of any of the other maladies that MIGHT happen if the oil was being consumed due to a malfunctioning engine.
    4. This "problem" only happens in the Civic Si which happens to share it's engine with the RSX. Same initial problems there. Along with the S2000 which also has a even more performance-enhanced version of this engine.
    5. If you really wanted to find out about the Si you would have read back in the forum and found that this has been already discussed at length here and has been found that it is greatly dependent on the break-in behavior of the owner.

    So if you really were that "curious" you would have actually read this thread or some of the others on Edmunds. But you chose to create an inflammatory post.

    As far as owning a Focus. How absurd? Why would anyone who has access to the internet buy a Focus. Talk about not doing research.

    Meca check the Si vs. GTI forum for the latest on the VW/Civic debacle.

    For more SI enthusiasts try google. There are numerous Civic forums where any and all problems would appear. Again go to google and enter "Ford Focus automotive problems" then enter "Honda Civic automotive problem" and you'll wonder why anyone would consider a Focus.
  • 204meca204meca Posts: 366
    "No one here or on Si.com (Civic performance board) has complained of oil consumption after 10,000 or so miles".

    I this true? I don't recall anyone posting that has 10K on their 02 Si yet. I would love to hear from some owners with over 10K miles!
  • 204meca204meca Posts: 366
    I did, not encouraging! However, I have read many posts by happy GTI owners also. Given the probable 50 to 1 ratio of GTI owner to Si owner, it is hard to know which are more problematic.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Posts: 3,475
    that have that many miles. We have 6600 on ours. Burned a quart in the first 4000 miles of a very light break-in. has currently no burned any since. Even with a few stop-light Grand Prix's. As I said this is the same engine as the base RSX. There are many with over 10,000 miles.

    I've read many happy GTI owners too. The common thread seems to be...Great drive but kinda problematic. Verified by checking online and in consumer magazines. And it's not 50 to one. VW doesn't sell that many cars let alone GTI's. In addition most parts on the GTI translate to the Jetta/Golf so you can research the GTI by checkin out the Jetta or Golf. Pretty good initial quality but poor long term.
  • Anybody else think it's interesting that we don't yet have a link or an issue number to that CAR magazine article?

    It's amazing that you are doing such thorough research on the Civic before making a purchase but you currently have a Focus? Hmm....
  • revkarevka Posts: 1,750
    our Town Hall guidelines. To avoid infringing on anyone's copyright protections, we ask that you please just provide a link to articles from other websites. For the sake of continuity, another post that was in direct response to this post was also deleted.

    Also, as I mentioned above, this discussion was specifically created for Honda Civic Si owners/shoppers to discuss their experiences. This discussion is not about the Civic R, VW GTI, Ford Focus, or overall Honda build quality. We have other discussions where you can discuss these subjects. To start, here's Civic Type R, Honda Civic Si vs. VW GTI and Ford Focus ZX3/SVT vs. Honda Civic Si.

    Lastly, it is not appropriate for members to rehash negative issues in our discussions... simply for the purpose of bashing a particular make/model. Needless to say, it drags down the morale of our regular participants (that are NOT experiencing any problems) when negative issues are constantly being rehashed (especially by non-owners) in our main vehicle discussions. As mentioned in our membership agreement: "We want to maintain an inviting atmosphere for all our members."

    This is not to say that problems about Civic Si cannot be discussed at Town Hall. However, this is one of the reasons we have created problem discussions (i.e. Honda Civic problems) which are separate and apart from out main discussions; problems can get the attention they need in these areas without disrupting our main discussions. Hope you understand. Btw, if anyone here would like me to start up a Civic Si problems discussion, please let me know.

    Please note: any further off topic, or disruptive messages, will be subject to automatic deletion. Feel free to send me an email if you have any questions or comments. And now, back to the subject of the Honda Civic Si / Sir. Thanks for your participation. ;-)

    To Vapd- I send you an email and it bounced back. Please let me know what your correct email is. Also, be aware that you must have a valid email address in your user profile in order to maintain your membership at Town Hall. Thanks!

    Revka

    Hatchbacks & Wagons Host
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    Si has similar engine as RSX but they are not the same. Si has balance shafts and aluminum intake where the RSX has no balance shafts and has a plastic variable lenth intake. Also the Si has other non engine differences such as electric power steering and different gear ratios. Not quite apples to apples comparison RSX vs. Si. Especially reliability or quality.
  • revka: Thank you for keeping the demeanor in here civil and getting us all back on track.
  • The common thread is the S2000, the RSX, and the SI have all had some levels of initial oil consumption that seem to taper off or end after a few thousand miles are placed on the engines.
  • vadpvadp Posts: 1,025
    I updated my email address.
  • revkarevka Posts: 1,750
    Please refer to my last message.

    To vadp- Thanks for updating your profile. Please read my email. Also, feel free to link your article, about the Civic Type R, into one of these appropriate discussions: Honda Civic Type R or Honda Civic Hatchbacks.

    And now back to the subject of the Honda Civic Si!

    Revka
    Host
    Hatchbacks & Wagons Boards
  • As I was cleaning my Si today, I decided to take off the i-VTEC stickers and the Civic badge on the back. It looks cleaner now, plus I live in AZ, where plastic stickers don't do too well in the dry heat. I'm not embarrassed I drive a Civic, but I just like a clean car. Why do I need a sticker on each side that says "i-VTEC DOHC?" The only people who know what that means know what kind of car and engine I have. And the Civic badge...it's an Si as far as I am concerned.

    If you're interested in doing the same, I have a few tips.

    1. Buy some Goo Gone. It is the best at dissolving any sticky goo left on your paint.

    2. For the Civic badge or any plastic badge that's held on with sticky foam tape, use floss to cut throught the foam. If it's cold, use a hair drier to warm up the foam and glue, it will come off easier.

    3. For the i-VTEC stickers, I just parked one side in the sun and then peeled up one corner and the whole thing came off. Go slow. Again, if it's cold, use a hair drier.

    Has anyone upgraded wheels to 15 or 16"? Any recommendations? Might be a while before I can get that past my financial advisor (wife), but am interested in any issues.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    I've got an issue with wheel vibrations that I posted in the Civic problems area. I welcome your constructive input.
  • revkarevka Posts: 1,750
    Look for Moparbad's message at Post #1655 in our Honda Civic Problems discussion. Also, please respond to his message in that discussion; others passing through that area will benefit. Thanks!


    Helpful Links: You'll now find a direct link to our Honda Civic Problems discussion in the Helpful Links box on the left side of the page.


    To siarizona - Thanks for the tips! Happy motoring!

    Revka

    Host

    Hatchbacks & Wagons Boards

  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    If you are considering a Si then now is a good time to buy. Take a look at what they are selling for by following this link moparbad "Honda Civic Owners: What did you pay?" Dec 2, 2002 9:41pm
    If you already own one then don't look at what they are selling for now;)
  • Dealer has one leftover 2002 Civic SI. Asking $16,400. Opinions, please.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    With multiple dealers offering civic Si for less than $15K from Maryland to Chicago to California it would not be a very good purchase price at $16,400 though it would be a decent value for what the car offers. At $1400 difference I would buy a $100 plane ticket and drive to pick up the car. There should be enough Honda dealers in your area to get one of them to sell you one for $15K. 2003 Si are selling for $16,500 to $17,000 in the Chicago area. Tell your dealer you will buy a 2003 for $16,4 but for a 2002 they need to do better.
  • I would definitely not pay $16,400 for it without any accessories added. Tell them you will pay $16,400 but only if they include mud guards, floor mats, fog lights and/or tinted windows, and the rear cargo net. If they won't do that then offer them $15,500-$15,900 and don't go any higher.
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