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Honda Civic Si / SiR 2005 and earlier

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  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    SVT 3-door hatch is a real good match-up for the SI, but I think the real-world price of the Honda is a little lower. And now Ford is getting set to discontinue the SVT after this year.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • muffin_manmuffin_man Posts: 865
    The SVT is a great matchup for the Si, but at the time I was shopping, it was more expensive, and shared a terrible reliability reputation with the rest of the Focus lineup.

    I don't know what I would pick if I was shopping now, although seeing as Miatas are in the paper at the same price I bought the Si (~$15,900), that is probably what I would get.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    are in the paper at $15,9??!! Good lord, I thought those things were like $21K!

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • gee35coupegee35coupe Posts: 3,475
    Out the door. I added the fogs, flaps, mats, and cargo net. I kinda regret not going for the CD changer but I'm thinking of getting XM so I guess that would have been a waste.
  • muffin_manmuffin_man Posts: 865
    nippononly - Miatas are practically being given away here, it's insane. I would trade in, but I think I'll wait to see how the Mazdaspeed Miata is, and then the Solstice, and then the next generation Miata. Maybe I'll just wait my entire life for the perfect car to come, or until I can afford an Elise.

    gee35 - Out the door price is hard to compare between states, how much was your car before tax and license?
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    I want an Elise too!!!!!!!!

    No fair! :-(

    Until then the cars we do have are pretty darn cool, though! :-)

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • muffin_manmuffin_man Posts: 865
    True enough. I really do enjoy driving my car.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,803
    originally Lotuses imported to US were fitted with Intergra GS-R engines, but for some reason the legal imports will have Toyota Celica engine :-(
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    from the Celica is a touhg little engine, so it may be a good thing. And you also get the Toyota six-speed that goes with it. And Lotus has increased the power by 10. And the whole car weighs, like, 1950 pounds, so imagine how fast it will be!

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • muffin_manmuffin_man Posts: 865
    If you have the money to import one of the older cars, you could still do it.

    True, a B-series based Lotus would have bigger aftermarket potential, but the 2zz is still going to have enough juice to get just about anyone in lots of trouble.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,803
    I think the K20 from the Civic Type R, or RSX type S would have been a better engine choice. I never drove Celica, but I drove Vibe GT, which is supposed to have the same Yamaha engine. It was more reminiscent of older Honda engines where the car is anemic until 5000 rpm and then surges to life. That was another advantage for the Si, you did not need to wring it out to get going. Imagine what all that torque would do to a 1900 lbs body!!!
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Posts: 3,475
    out at a certain payment at 1.9%. On paper it was the previously mwentioned price at 7% tax and $499 doc fee. I ended up with a less than $200 payment while trading a 1997 Dakota 6 cyl stick with 70K on it.
  • muffin_manmuffin_man Posts: 865
    So you negotiated on payments? You got a good deal either way, but I'm curious why you would do that.
  • rewardreward Posts: 11
    I have a 2002 SI with 25K. Had initial period of rapid oil consumption (settled down after about 6K) Noticed increase in last two months (1.5 qts) Has anyone else experienced this pattern? Dealer says a quart a month is normal, but I have never owned a Honda that burnt that much even after 140K. Honda Vet
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Posts: 3,475
    because I already has worked out the maximum amount of principle that could be financed at that payment point. Once you know the intherest rate and payment, there is only so much priciple they can finance. I went into the dealership knowing the deal I wanted all the way around.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,803
    I have a 2002 as well and it was "burning" oil at a rate of 1.5-2 quarts a 1000 miles or more, then it stopped, and now i switched to synthetic and it is about 1 quart every 3000 miles.
  • ai2004ai2004 Posts: 2
    I agreed in the dealership to buy Honda Si 2004 for $17,700 (it was strangely easy) and I thought it was a good deal. I already paid deposit but after reading the messages here, I feel the price is not so good. Any suggestions on how I can proceed from here? Of course, I can just buy the car...
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Posts: 3,475
    But I would check with a few other dealerships. Shop around. You may be able to do better. Look out though, the next SI is supposed to be a screamer......I hope.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    is the next SI in the U.S. going to actually be a rebadged type R from Europe? I hope so. This is a wonderful car that deserves some popularity to go with its good qualities.

    I would think $17,7 would be about right for a new '04. Maybe you could do a little better, but the dealer and Edmunds agreed when I was pricing mine that invoice was almost exactly $18K flat. Plus the model has only recently been upgraded. There is an additional $500 holdback for dealers (at least there was a month ago), which would leave the dealer making about a $200 profit to sell you one at $17,7 (I am assuming you are including destination fee).

    I have noticed my local dealer having the same problem as before - the SI's it has in stock just sit there looking glum. One has the words "Look! Side airbags!" printed in red so as to cover most of the windshield. Honda dealers haven't had a car this hard to sell since the last days of the Prelude.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    $17,700 is a good price right now. The days of the $14,600 and $14,995 Si are long over and were short lived.
    If the Si is what you want, go for it. The 2004 is a very nice package with the looks and wheel size improved to where they should have been when the Si was introduced.
    It is fun to drive and I'll wish you luck that you do not have any of the problems I experienced with my 2002.
  • ai2004ai2004 Posts: 2
    Thank you all for the advice. I do like the car and the fact that it is sold as one-package w/o options (kinda like Acura TSX). I like that it is UK-assembled with Japan-made transmission and engine. Also, I like SI's interior better compared to Mazda3. The idea that thieves like it, too, is a bit alarming though.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    that theft rates on Civics and RSX's since '01 are way down from the last gen of each (integra in the case of RSX).

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Posts: 4,202
    The SI and RSX both have immobilizers which is probably going a long way towards reducing theft.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,803
    qoute "is the next SI in the U.S. going to actually be a rebadged type R from Europe? I hope so. This is a wonderful car that deserves some popularity to go with its good qualities."

    I highly doubt that the next Si will be Type R. First off, people are not going to pay $25K for a stripped down Si, with 40 more HP. I know I won't. As it is people complain that Si rides too stiffly, I imagine Type R has stiffer suspension. It lacks sunroof, and A/C, and radio is optional. Yes, it has 200 hp engine, and 6 speed box, but so does the RSX-S. And at $22K it comes loaded. If they bring CTR and sell it for the current Si MSRP, it may stand a chance.
    Second, according to Temple VTEC rumor mill, the new Si will be a coupe.
  • wheelz4wheelz4 Posts: 569
    Apparently, Honda is bringing out a 5-door Type R in the UK....rumour is that Honda Canada is evaluating it......direct currency conversion would put it over 30K in Canada though. The under-tired, under-powered SiR isn't exactly a bargain at 25-26K when you consider a Mazda3 GT Sport is just over 21K. Unless Honda has a major price realignment, I doubt it would fly.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    the Mazda3s (GT in Canada) which just came out offers really strong competition to Civic SI (SIr in Canada). For a price 10-20% lower it has all the same amenities and the same power, not to mention a better handling package with 17s. But if you drive the two back to back, you will still notice the Honda edge: a better shifter and an engine that loves to rev way more than the Mazda's. Plus the tire roar in the Mazda puts even the RSX to shame.

    Is it enough to sell the Honda at $2000-3000 more (U.S.)? Maybe not. I was thinking they could make a killing if they brought over the powertrain from the current type R, but left the equipment level intact, and called THAT the new SI. It would have to be roughly the same price though, which might be impossible unless they made the same changes to the RSX. They couldn't have a lower-powered RSX selling at a higher price.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • Hello, I posted here back in January when I first started entertaining the thought of a new vehicle, and have been looking ever since. I have looked at the Si, Matrix and Mazda3 hatch. At that time a local dealer had 5 2003 Si's sitting on the lot and gave me an Internet quote of 16,200 including destination. Another dealer gave me an Internet quote on a 2004 of 17,800 including destination. It is now 3 months later and dealer #1 still has 3 of the 2003's on his lot. I am looking for any feedback on pricing and purchasing a 2003 that has been sitting for months. All the models I have looked at have their pros and cons as far as what I'm looking for, but being a Current Honda owner I am leaning towards the Si....but could use some owner insight to help nudge me in the right direction...thanks.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    prioritize performance in your ride, the SI is the most precise choice among those three...

    Matrix has a high seating position, noticeable body roll, and an imprecise shifter. It is the utility vehicle of the group.

    Mazda3 is better in both regards - in fact I think it has better handling than the SI, but a more punishing ride the rest of the time. And the Honda engine and shifter are still the best of the group, IMO. This is exactly the choice I was recently making - 3 vs Matrix vs SI. I ended up going with the dark horse, RSX, which I had driven two years ago and dismissed based on looks and interior space. But now I am more prepared to have less space inside to have the most fun and most balanced car of the group (again, IMO), and the looks hav grown on me.

    I would say you get 99% of the RSX driving experience in the Civic SI, you just don't get that feeling that the car is wrapped around you like a sport skin (!!). But in place of that you get a car with a real back seat and space for four people, not to mention extra luggage space.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,803
    I would say that if your dealer is willing to deal on the 2003 Si, go for it. Offer $15K or so, plus taxes and fees, and you should have it for $16K out the door.

    Like nippononly mentioned, Matrix is a OK, but not quite there. I personally did not feel that RSX was "car is wrapped around you like a sport skin" it felt more like sitting in a bucket. It has a low seating position and high window line. Si and Matrix on the other hand have lots of "green house" space.

    Mazda 3 the 4 door looks like a puppy with its tail chopped off. I do like the looks of the hatchback though. But, Mazda has had its share of resale and reliability problems. I am rpetty sure, the 3 will have a $3000-$4000 rebate by years end, instantly plummeting your resale.

    I bought a left over 2002 Si in 2003, got a really good price, and have not looked back. After a year, my theoretical (KBB, Edmunds, ect.) re-sale value is still higher than what I paid for it last year. On the "other" board there are people who have paid $15-16K for year old used Si's and are happy. I paid less for a brand new one!!!! I see no problem getting a year old car. When it comes to resale, you will get the lower value because of the year, but that will be compensated by the low milage for the year and still bring you up higher.
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