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Mitsubishi Lancer 2007 and earlier

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  • Personally, I think the Lancers are underpowered in the OZ Rally version. Why try to market a car as sporty and put a racing wheel on it when it only has 120HP? The EVO might be something to contend with but for $30,000 alot of things will contend with the EVO.

    And for those who say a Honda has no torque, you need to look at the torque curve of both cars before you say that. Fact is, in any performance test the Lancer would get spanked by everything BUT the Hybrid Civic. The trade off of having low end torque like the Lancer does is that it will have no highway power, which is where you will probably need it anyways, while the Civic will have power all throughout it's power band.

    And before you say I am a Honda dealer let it be known that I actually work for Mitsubishi.
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Posts: 2,228
    I find the Lancer to have plenty of power and a very wide power band. The Civic has a very narrow power band. You can tell the difference in feel between the two engines, especially if you are running the AC or have an automatic. The Lancer has a much more useable power band for everyday situations. I never find the need to rev beyond 4k to get on the freeway in a hurry. Can you say the same of the Civic? I didn't think so. Do you have any "performance" tests to back up the Lancer being dead last? I have proof showing the opposite. The Lancer 5 speed is capable of 8.9 seconds from 0-60, which already "spanks" the more powerful Focus and Protege, not to mention the Civic LX. You guys need to get over the horsepower war. It's a number and nothing more. If 120 horses was so bad, than why can it outaccelerate two cars with 130 horses? How much faster is the fastest cars in this price class?? We are talking about a half second difference in pedal to the metal cases. Will this make a noticeable difference? Hell no! Get over it people, because too many are trying to split hairs.

    As for the OZ model, I never expected it to have more horsepower than the other models. It would be nice if it did, but I also wouldn't want to pay more money for the extra power. It's not like Mitsu slapped on 17" wheels and tried to market this car as the be-all sports sedan. They marketed it as a sporty appearance package to jazz up the looks of their economy sedan. And jazz it up they did. I get more compliments on this car than any other I have ever owned. Everyone thinks it's a mini-Infiniti or BMW and are real impressed with its looks inside and out. They all can't believe it when I tell them its just a Mitsubishi. Those type of compliments, along with my own happiness, make buying the OZ worth every penny.
  • Personally, I think the Lancers are underpowered in the OZ Rally version. Why try to market a car as sporty and put a racing wheel on it when it only has 120HP?

    Because it sells.

    For a case study, consider the Ford Escort EXP from the mid 80s: this "sporty" model actually had a worse 0-60mph time than the basic Escort.

    Yet people still bought it.

    I think it gets back to the old question of style -vs- substance. What's a higher priority is a YMMV personal choice. For example, I personally find the rear wing to be downright silly on this general body style, regardless of make/model. But then again, I've seen a lot of older Japanese cars in our downtown area that have had $5-$10K worth of refitting with body cladding kits, fake gold trim, a sodacan exhaust kit and maybe (just maybe) some actual engine/drivetrain performance mods. For a certain segment, that's the type of "IN" vehicle, not unlike Bellbottom ... er, "Flare" :-) bluejeans, belly button piercings and so forth.

    To each his own...although I would recommend a conscious resistance to buying anything based on product ignorance, or with over emphasis of what your peers might think.

    -hh
  • A Civic LX goes 0-60 in 8.4 seconds. A Civic EX can go 0-60 in 8.0 seconds. Don't take the best time for one car and compare it to the worst time for another car. I would also be willing to bet that your low-end torque Lancer has NO passing power on the highway considering low-end torque is just that, low-end, but when you are on the highway you aren't in low-end any more.

    The Ford EXP was a coupe, completely different body-style from the Escort. It wasn't a trim package. The Paseo was a Tercel but once again it was a different body style. My SI is a Civic but it's a different body style with 30 more HP. Don't compare a set of wheels and different seat fabric to a whole different body style. Even if Mitsu is taking advantage of the style vs. substance equasion in a big way. The OZ Rally stickers for at least $2,000 more than the Lancer ES (same engine, same size wheels, same interior, same suspension, same exterior) It doesn't add up .. those sure are some expensive wheels, cloth, and cruise control.

    The argument doesn't hold water when looked at from a logical point of view. At least the Civic EX gives you more power, bigger wheels, and more available options over an LX and the SI adds more on top of an EX Civic. IF you want to pay for marketing go ahead, might as well pay MSRP while you are at it.
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Posts: 2,228
    Hmm..either someone is lying or you don't know your product too well. The OZ has more than just wheels and cruise. The ES has 14" steel wheels, not 15" alloy like the OZ. The OZ adds a rear anti-roll bar, cruise, fold down rear seat, keyless entry, body-colored mirrors and door handles, nicer black cloth, aluminum look trim, white-faced guages with red lighting, name brand alloy wheels, special floor mats and badges, and a body kit. All of those options make the $2k difference in price quite justifiable. The body kit alone is easily worth $1-1500 in the aftermarket. If you really work for Mitsubishi, than I would think you would have driven a Lancer and have your own opinions of its power, not make assumptions like you are doing. This car hauls butt in passing manuevers. This comes from personal experience, not assumptions.

    Lastly, you are way off on your numbers for the Civic. You must have invented them to make the Lancer look a lot slower. Sorry, I didn't buy it because I know it isn't true. The Civic SI is rated at 8.0 seconds from 0-60 and thats with 160 hp. The 00 Civic LX could only do the 0-60 run in 9.5 sec. The 01 Civic's power to weight ratio is the same as that 00 model. So, there is no way it could be a second faster. The Civic EX coupe was the one rated at 8.4. Hmm...so, the Lancer OZ is only 0.5 second slower than the more powerful and lighter Civic EX. Doesn't sound like it has such an underpowered engine to me.
  • http://www.edmunds.com/new/2002/mitsubishi/lancer/ozrally4drsedan20l4cyl5m/overview.html?id=lin0006


    Notice the lacking in power comments and the comments that the OZ does not differ mechanically from the ES or LS. Also, The ES is available with a convenience package that gives you the fold-down rear seat, body-colored door handles, and keyless entry. Even with that package on the ES the OZ is $1500 more. If you want to pay $1500 for some 15" wheels and floor mats that's up to you. But I would rather them have taken the $1500 and done something with the engine, brakes, and some real wheels and tires. But to each his own.


    You can debate 0-60 times and get numbers from different sources all day long if we want to. But lets use a source we all obviously have access to.


    http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/roadtests/roadtest/46005/page002.html


    here's a Civic coupe but the HP is the same and the weight shouldn't be that different between a EX sedan and an EX coupe.


    http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/roadtests/roadtest/46005/page003.html


    Edmunds puts my car at 7.9 seconds but it does put the Lancer at 9.5 seconds ..


    http://www.edmunds.com/new/2002/honda/civic/si2drhatchback20l4cyl5m/specs.html?id=lin0018


    If you are happy with your 120HP that's great .. I hope you do like your car. But that doesn't make it as quick as a Civic or a better buy for everybody.

  • the OZ really ought to have more muscle to back up its tarted up body package. The look suggests its fast, but.....
  • si consistantly clicked off 60 in 7.4 seconds long tongue. base civics usually see about 8-8.5 second. got to car-stats.com to check this out, they list times for everycar.
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Posts: 2,228
    Check real magazine figures. The OLD 99-00 SI was capable of 7.4 second runs. The new one only does it in 8.0. The EX in 8.4. The LX in 9.4. These times have been clocked by more than one magazine too. If a 160 horse Civic SI can only do 8.0 sec runs, than a base 115 horse Civic will not be anywhere near it. At any rate, this is a Lancer forum, not a Civic one. Let's get back to talking about ownership experiences with the Lancer.
  • This link is certainly not a new one, but anyone interested in The Evo 7 can get lots of good information from this link:


    http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/PDF-E/evo7.pdf



    It may take a few mins to load on a slow connection.

    I've had 2 Subaru 2.5RS coupes (a 99 and a 2000) both of which were great cars. Unless there's a massive difference in the US spec car, I'll be an Evo driver next spring. Unless Subaru get with the program on that facelifted WRX STi and import that in reasonable time and it checks out.

  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    gurumike! Where ya been? Nice to see you. :)
  • lngtnge... I just posted the links to Edmunds that shows the different times for the cars. It's from one source (edmunds) and we all have access to it. If you would like me to I will pull the exact page and issue of the magazine that got the new SI at 7.6 seconds. Just let me know...
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    Can we stop the peeing match now? Who cares how long it takes for a specific car to get to 60mph? The arguing is starting to seem a little childish...
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Posts: 2,228
    I could really care less about the numbers. I was just sick of hearing people come in here and claim the Lancer is dead slow and would be smoked by a base Civic when they haven't even driven one and haven't looked at the numbers given by magazines. It gets tiring to hear someone say a car is slow when the numbers show they are competitive. Not the fastest, but at least right in line with others in its class.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I actually thought the Lancer to be slow myself. I have never gotten around to driving one though, so I never said anything about it. I sat in one, however, and the seats didn't agree with me. I have alot of trouble with my back too, so it could just be me. But it looks like a pretty nice car, and definitely very roomy inside.
  • Just lost inspiration to pursue the E46 forum. Now I'm thinking Evo or G35 coupe 6 speed. Watch this space!
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Well, it is nice to see you again.

    Have you found the flame wa... uh, free for all between the G35 and 330i over on the Comparisons board?

    Come one, come all!!
  • nwngnwng Posts: 664
    it is spacious and quiet compare to others in the same class. Just drove a 02 civic lx a couple of days ago and here are my .02:

    You have a feeling of driving a tin can in a civic, amid a very well put together tin can. I have driven the past three generations of civics and they all have this trait. The other side of the coin is that the car is very responsive and handles very well.

    On the other hand, the lancer feel like a more "substantial" car. I have no idea whether it is the setup or what, it drives like a mid size car but one size smaller. The interior materials are cheap, but I have to say it's on par with the civic
  • Ill keep this off topic quick... no matter what 0-60 or 1/4 mi times you post. It doesn't matter. They are all done by professional drivers on a closed course... Take your bone stock car to the track and try to hit the numbers they post... anyways....
    So how do you all like your lancers? I am considering buying one for my g/f and will probably be driving it to work... It seemed like a econocar when I test drove one, and thats what it is, but just curious as to any problems or issues anyones had...
    BTW... Any civics want to hook up to my tow hitch then see who gets to 60mph first?? hehehe... (I used to own a Civic... they're fun)
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I know Hertz car rental does rent Lancers, if one would want to check the car out on an extended test drive, perhaps. I saw them at the Hertz used car lot across the street from my new job.
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