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Kia Rio5

pocahontaspocahontas Posts: 802
edited March 20 in Kia
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"Kia will offer the lowest-priced station wagon in the world when the 2002 Rio Wagon goes on sale in the summer of 2001." Read the complete article here: 2002 Kia Rio Wagon. Sounds like a lot of car for the dollars. What do you think?

Thanks for your comments. ;-)

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  • netranger4netranger4 Posts: 149
    Went to the NAIAS in Detroit and saw the car up close. For the price, very good fit and finish and ideal for those needing a small wagon for everyday errands. Did not get to sit in it and other than seeing it closely, could not tell much more than this. However, having talked to several owners of the sedan version who have been pleased with their cars, it seems like a good buy for those in need of a vehicle with its' capabilities.
  • cjaccettacjaccetta Posts: 236
    at the New York Auto Show. Looked nice for the price. As in the above post, viewers couldn't get inside. However, I noticed through the driver's side window that there appeared to be a power mirror switch, which leads me to believe that the Rio Wagon may come equipped with standard (or optional) features which are unavailable on the sedan version. Note that the wagon comes standard with the sedan's optional "upgrade package"

    All in all, the wagon comes across as a fine little people & cargo hauler for the money. It looks classier than the sedan. I'd certainly consider buying one.
  • dogangeldogangel Posts: 3
    I am very interested in checking out the rio wagon, but no one seems to know when it will come available. Not much new information lately. Does anyone have the inside scoop?
  • pocahontaspocahontas Posts: 802
    You may want to try inquiring directly through the Kia Website. Good luck, and please let us know if you find out anything new.... Happy Motoring! ;-)


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  • Welcome to the Swamp!!!
  • Since I have a long commute and chew up cars on a regular basis, and with the price of gas fluctuating as much as money on the currency market these days, I need a car that gets good mileage first, comfortable second. I really like wagons, and this one is just gorgeous. So, I have been pestering the local Kia dealers in between work and home. Heres the latest: the wagon (to be called the Rio Cinco, by the way) was suppose to be here already. Instead, the new Sedona MiniVan has started to roll in. So, they (the Dealers) feel that the "RioCinco" (kind of catchy!) should be here bt the end of this month or by mid August. Since the drivetrain of the Wagon will be the same as the sedan, I drove both a Manual and a Automatic version to get an idea of what level of performance I can expect. The manual was fun. The shifts are short and accurate, but a little stiff (although this may loosen with time) This transmission makes the most out of the torque available off the line. (there is only 98 ftlb's available, and it does not peek until 4500 rpm's. pretty high) So, as you can imagine, the Auto Trans is not quite as fun. Unfortunately, Kia may have geared the final drive ratio to allow for better mileage, so the off the line performance leaves one wanting for more. But once it gets moving (and the revs get up there) it moves out pretty well. I imagine it would be just fine on the freeway. I look forward to further postings here and will definitely post as soon as I actually see and drive one.
  • Well, there starting to show up in dealers as of this week (7/26/01). It looks better in the flesh then it does in pictures too! The one I looked at was Polar White with Gray interior. It had the manual trans and all available options except ABS. Alloy Wheels, A/I, DC unit, Tilt wheel, Rear Wiper washer, Floor Mats, ETC. However, the wagon portions list had 2 important differences from the Sedan: this one had factory Power Door locks (operated by the drivers door lock post, pull up or push down, with key or by hand, and all the doors (including the tail gate) unlock or lock)Very nice especially, for a wagon. The other: the guages now include a Tachometer! Yeah. With a Manual car I really like having a Tach. This way I always know how hard I am pushing the engine. Also, I had a chance to drive it. It drove like the sedan. Good ride, adequate, if not sparkling, acceleration, a very comfortable driving position. The A/I works quite well, gets and stays cold quickly. The interior, especially in back, is nicer than the sedans. The rear seats have a 60/40 split back and 3 adjustable head rests! (figuring that you may punish one of your friends by putting them in the middle of the back seat between your two line-backer buddies and you would not want their neck to get hurt) Still, a nice touch. The hatch/tailgate is easy to open via a latch handle hidden behind the trim panel above the license plate area. The hatch is very light and opens nice and high, so people of average to moderately tall heights will not hit there head when trying to load a large item. It even has a nice and easy to grip pull handle (note: a real handle, not a cut out in the trim panel for fingers only) for closing it once your finished (something many wagons, costing alot more money, do not have).
    The cargo area is nicely finished and has a light mounted to the left trim panel that comes on when the hatch is opened. Also, this one had the optional cargo net. There is a standard pull out cargo cover that easily latches on the edges of the door frame. Also, under the carpeted floor covering is a mini spare and some room to put additional tools and disc emergency items. Again, very nicely done. Now comes the best part, with all the features of the top sedan plus the additional items I have mentioned, (as well as the added versatility and really great styling) the MSRP for this car, as equipped, is $12,194. Wow. An incredible price for a car in this class. Go price a Suzuki Esteem wagon or the Ford Focus wagon and see what I mean.
  • pocahontaspocahontas Posts: 802
    Wow, all that for an Msrp of $12,194...? Is that Canadian or Amercian dollars? Are you going to be purchasing one? If so, I'm looking forward to hearing more details... Thanks again! ;-)


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  • Saw the first Cinco wagon at a dealer here in Ohio... sticker was $12,699....in truth...it's looks more like a hatchback than wagon....
    Would like to test drive one soon....
  • Live in Jax, Florida. Coggin Kia got one yesterday and I drove it today. It was a beautiful pewter green with a multi colored beige interior. Features included automatic, a/C, Cd player. All for about 12,600 msrp. Seats were very comfortable and firm. A much more expensive feel than the sticker would make you think, ( even lumbar on drivers side!) Stereo was very good also. The drive was impressive for under 100 hp ( 95 or 97 I think) A/C blew real cold! The one thing I did not like was that the rear split fold down seats did not only not fold down flat , but there was a very steep angle to them more so than other wagons or hatches. I am interested in the vehicle for hauling around my basset! He would have a hard time with balance in this one!( Yes he is spoiled!) The vehicle looks wise is gorgeous! Much nicer than even the pictures! Overall a great value for the money and I think Kia will have a winner with this one. Am I gonna get one? That remains to be seen! Happy wagon hunting!
  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    Saw one yesterday (St. Louis).

    Since this thing is essentially a hatchback, would it be possible to double list it on the hatchback forum like the Mazda?
  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    IMHO

    Saw it yesterday (St. Louis).

    Since this is a cross between a wagon and a hatch would it be possible to co-post on the hatchback forum, like the Mazda Pro-5?
  • cjaccettacjaccetta Posts: 236
    I saw the Rio Cinco at the NY auto show in April and I was fairly impressed. The little wagon looks cool and seems fairly practical. We couldn't get into the car at the show so I never got to snoop around in it.

    When our injury-prone second car bites the dust I may investigate the purchase of a Rio Wagon (or Toyota Echo) as a cheap commuter/mountain biking car. I'd love to read the experiences of those who've tested or bought the Rio Cinco.

    Happy Motoring!
  • occupant1occupant1 Posts: 408
    mmmmm...tachometer...GOOD!
  • As of today, I am the proud owner of a Polar White, w/Grey Interior, RIO Cinco Wagon. The car is a 5 spd (much better use of the available power)and has the following options: A/C, Am/FM/CD Stereo, Carpeted Floor Mats, Alloy wheels, Cargo net, and, most importantly, Power Door Locks. So far, I love it. Very good A/C (I live in California and as you know, it has been quite HOT lately, including today). I also have a couple of dealer add ons: Tinted Windows (Except the Driver & front passenger doors, CA Law prohibits)Paint and Fabric treatment (which I did not want, nor did I pay for it, even though they had already done it) and a Pass Key Theft deterrent system, (you have to pass a coded key fob past a point on the dash. When you here 2 beeps, you have 30 seconds to start the car). Again, it was on the car already, but I feel better having it and got it for cost. The car is very comfortable for me(5'8.5" and several pounds above my "ideal" weight). I had no problem finding an Ideal setting for the 8-way adjustable drivers seat and the adjustable steering wheel. The CD sounds quite good for this price of car(not as good as the Toyota Echo's, but close). I will keep you posted on how the car performs, the gas mileage and it's reliabililty. P.S.: I used to own a Toyota Echo. It was a fun car to drive, but had far less features (NO Tach, NO Adjustable Drivers Seat(or Armrest for the driver), NO Power Locks, NO Alloy Wheels, NO Anti-Theft system, NO Window Tint) and I paid $3000 more for it!. Why do I not have it now: One main reason: The Drivers seat. For Me, it was so uncomfortable due to way to lumbar support designed in and a bottom cushion angle that was to severe. I had to add 2 pieces of foam to top of the cushion just to get the seat somewhat comfortable!. My back hurt so bad after a few months in the car, I sold it. However, it was a good performer, got great mileage and the CD stereo was simply excellent.
  • pocahontaspocahontas Posts: 802
    Congratulations! And thanks for sharing all the details. Btw, I believe you're the first actual owner that's posted in this discussion. I think we'll be seeing more owners here very soon. We look forward to hearing more about your ownership experience, so please keep us posted. ;-)


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  • ...in Canada. Just got back from a seven day trip to Montreal and Quebec City where I saw several Kia Rio wagons. They looked cool but were smaller than I thought. They reminded me of Peanut M&Ms candies (I mean that in a good way). That wagon seems ideally suited to urban driving. I still haven't seen one stateside yet.

    The Rio Wagon is near the top of my list as a second car (along with the Echo - which seems to be the official Car of Quebec Province).

    autoknologist - if I may ask, what did you pay for yours? I'm very curious but I will certainly understand if you don't wish to share. Good luck with you new car!
  • No I have no problem telling you what I paid.
    $13500 out the door. So far, So good. On my first 2 measured tanks of gas, I got 32.6 and 33.0 mpg. Not to bad for a car that is not really broken in yet. I have been pleasantly surprised by the performance of the car so far. I have to pull a long grade of about 6-8 miles where the elevation goes from goes from 1900 ft to 3250 ft. So it is a long, steady climb. The RIO pulls it with no problem and I do not have to down shift even with A/C on!. I have had many cars that could not do this. One small criticism I do have is the small and fairly useless slide out cup holders. At least useless in the manual model. When you shift through the gears, if you have a drink in the holder bigger than a soda can, you hit it with your hand and the shifter. Other than that, I haven't found anything else to really complain about. Again, I have had a Toyota Echo. It was a good car. However, it was more money (and there has been price increases since I bought mine!), did not have the same features as the Rio and was not nearly as comfortable to drive (at least for me). Particular annoying was the Echo's tendency to be easily blown around by the wind. Due to its tall, boxy design and light weight, if there is a small cross wind, you will feel it as the car has to be constantly corrected to keep it going in a straight line. (Hoever,I do live in a windy area). Surprisingly, the RIO is barely affected by cross winds. Why is this? Not sure, really. But I believe it is because of the shape of the wagon(which are inherently more aerodynamic) and its lower profile. Nice surprise for me though. Good luck on whatever car you choose. I look forward to hearing what you picked and how you like it.
  • takes the winds better than the Toyota Echo. It's a better-made car. Don't tell Clodsumer Retorts, they'll tell you it HAS TO BE A HONDA OR TOYOTA OR IT'S NO GOOD!!! I can't believe the nonsense sold for money we're dealt in this country. People buy it, too! I'm FIRMLY CONVINCED that Kia and Hyundai are our #1 choice for cars in America. Bar none.

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • What you are saying are not facts. They are opinions. The fact is that Korean cars are still lagging a bit behind, but they have made such a fast improvement that I will not be surprised if Hyundai or Kia for that matter surpasses Honda and Toyota someday.
  • I just test drove the Rio wagon this afternoon and here are a few observations. The seats are very comfortable,a little on the firm side, but not VW firm. The manual adjustments work very well to get the right settings. I didn't care for the material on the inside of the doors. It was much too coarse, one step above burlap,and seemed too thin, but probably durable.
    Inside the hatch there is just enough room for my 90lb dog. There is a nice pullover piece to hide your cargo.
    I was impressed with the ride. The suspension was just right for this car, on a scale of 1 to 10 (ten being very firm) it was about a 4.5. The steering was light and the car went where it was pointed. Brakes were ok, about average.
    The engine pulled pretty good until you got to 4k rpm, then it seemed to work a lot harder, it also got a lot noisier in the cabin. I had the a/c on the whole time with just myself and the salesman in the car.
    Now the bad part...the shifter(by the way I drove to 5-speed). During the whole test drive I had no clue if the car was in gear or not when I was changing gears. It has a very vague and rubbery feel to it and it wasn't that easy to get in gear. Also you cannot shift with the armrest down, unless you do it with your wrist at a 90 degree angle. There is a fixed pedal to rest your left foot when your not shifting. It was in the perfect spot.
    Overall the car seemed put together pretty well, No squeaks or rattles and nice paint. If it wasn't for the shifter I would seriously consider this car.
    Does anyone know if cruise control is available??
  • this week. There's a polar white one that has my name on it at a dealership only a couple miles from my work. Gotta run it by my other half first! I'll keep you posted-you know me!

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • I decided to just run my '99 Sephia. We're at 72,500 miles and running strong. I like the Cinco enough, though to put it at the top of my "next new car" list along with Kia's new Spectra 4-door sedan, Kia Spectra hatchback and Kia Optima. The Rio Cinco would fit my 90-mile-a-day commute schedule very well so it's at the top of the list. Do post your thoughts on your Kia Rio Cinco's you've purchased! I'm very interested in this cool new offering from the greatest car maker in the world.

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  • fangio2fangio2 Posts: 214
    I walked over to the KIA lot.saw the new Cinco.It is really a neat little wagon.It looks even better the the pic at the beginning of this board.
  • after the salespeople had all left at my Kia dealer. A red Cinco has every option I'm looking for and was selling for around $13,000 give or take a whisker. Looked really sharp. Yep-it remains on my short list!

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  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    That was one of the real drawbacks with the Rio sedan IMHO. Is this a model difference or do all '02's sedan and Cinco come that way?

    Since the Cinco is listed as a hatch for the Canadian market, I still think it should be listed under both hatch and wagon topics.

    My experience with driving a sedan last year was that the transmission feel (as in all Kias) was definitely sloppy/non-communicative. I don't remember this at all with my '88 Festiva. To me the platform really hasn't advanced that much in 13 years. Remember the Festiva as being more fun to drive.

    The Cinco is getting into the same price range I paid for my Elantra GLS with 5 speed and group 2 (cruise and remote keying). I think I got a lot more car.

    On the other hand the Cinco (especially in gold) looks a lot better to my eye than the Rio sedan.
  • in my mind. It looked great with that wedge-shaped body the Cinco has. I'm back to wanting to test drive, probably will this Saturday afternoon. My dealership is waiting for me(I've e-mailed them ahead of time)and they have my current credit situation. If I want it I'll push for maximum trade-in for my '99 Sephia(!) It'll be interesting-I'll see how serious they are to move Kia's here in northern Washington state. I was concerned about my Boeing job but my manager seemed to think my job was secure. Trading in is back on, baby! I'll ask if the new 2002 Spectra's are in and test drive both of those as well. Yeah, the tachometer is an unexpected treat on the Cinco. Also, I think a person is getting a lot of car for $12-$13,000 in getting a Cinco. I'm curious how it powers up to freeway speeds. The Sephia does this fine and I want to see how Cinco's 1.5L 4-banger performs. I'll keep y'all posted!

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • We didn't even test drive the Cinco! I saw one on the lot. The only thing about it I didn't like just on first glance was that the feature list said it had an AM/FM/cassette player and a CD player. When I hopped in all I saw was a CD player. I wanted to test drive it but my wife didn't like it. She liked the Sportages. I did test drive a black Optima. What a nice car. This car was every bit the car that the Camry I rented about a year ago was. Just as smooth and quiet. This one had a power moonroof, leather seats and steering wheel, power everything, AM/FM cassette CD, etc. Loaded! Nice car but too much monthly payment. The new Spectra's weren't in yet but that didn't matter anyway. The wife didn't want another econobox. The finance guy asked if I minded driving a manual transmission in a Sportage. Of course I didn't mind. Over to the 4x4 Sportage's we trotted. We settled on a 2001 Sportage 4x4. Pepper red in color with power steering, locks, windows and 5-speed transmission. It has a theft-deterrent system and 4-wheel drive! This is perfect for us as we live close to Mt.Baker in northern Washington state and near all kinds of outdoor activities. The Sportage is fun to drive. It takes the bumps with authority. The ladder-frame gives the SUV a firm feel yet bumps are taken as little pitter-pats and barely move anything except the Hankook wilderness tires. Today we'll go get an AM/FM stereo CD/cassette player installed. Top priority for this afternoon! Now come the Sportage clubs and options galore! I can't wait! My wife and I feel like we've got the best vehicle we could have for our situation. Yahoo!!!

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • cjaccettacjaccetta Posts: 236
    Happy to hear that you're enjoying the new Sportage. That four wheel drive may come in handy this winter, no? Now you'll have to change your userID to "iluvmysportage".

    We're still considering the Cinco as a second car. Had a scare this week when I thought my old Mustang died. Turned out it just needed a starter. We're keeping the Stang for a while longer so it looks like the Rio goes back into a holding pattern. If anyone makes a Cinco test drive, please post your thoughts here.
  • Yes. i remember my wife's Blaze Red sportage with fondness. After a couple of minor trim related issues in the first few months of ownership. it was a great vehicle. Wait until you get to take it off road. The sportage, with its short overhangs and all coil suspension does outstanding off road. Especially considering that it rides well on the road too.( in case you didn't know, alot of the suspension developement work for the sportage was done by Ford for KIA). Alas, my wife loved it. However, there was one area which I did not like about it and ultimately led us to trade it in. Lack of room! I am a large fellow and although our family is small, we were always taking a friend(s) of my daughters on outings and there just wasn't enough room for all of our stuff (although KIA makes an extended version that they sell outside north america). Also, with a full load of people and stuff, another 30 HP would have been nice. When climbing up our long grade to the high desert, the trans had to constantly downshift to keep up a good head of speed (we had the Auto Trans) For 2 people and with the manual trans, a great choice for fun times. Now as far as the tach issue goes. Unfortunately, as far as I know, only the Cinco comes with the it. Not yet available in the sedan. (the same goes for the cnetral power locking, Cinco only) Also, I have to say that I think that the Cinco name is a little lame. I think more sporting would have been to call it the Rio SportHatch, or the RIO WagonBack (though Saab might have been unhappy about this one). But Cinco. Iyah!, kind of a silly name. (Cinco, 5 doors.) Hmmm. Note; Even KIA of Canada does not the name, there version is called the RIO Rx-V, or Rx-V Sport. Also, in Canada, the sport version of the Rx-V's come with Power Locks, Power Mirrors, and Power Windows. A power sunroof is available as an option. Again, things that make you go Hmmmm. But overall, I really love my Rio Sporthatch. It gets great mileage (avg of 33 mpg @ fwy speeds that are, shall I say, a TAD above the posted 65 and while pulling a grade, with the air on!) Oh the A/C, gets VERY cold. Best Air I have had in a small car. Well, till another time. Thanks for reading my post.
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