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Here's the problem...
It will crank and start as flawlessly and quickly as you would expect out of a Honda, about 199 times out of 200. The 1 time it doesn't is the problem. You can hear it cranking strong and hard, but it just doesn't turn over. it's as if it doesn't have any gas (but it does, of course, and this is the 3rd or 4th tank since the last time, so it can't be a bad fuel). 3 weeks ago, I brought it in for it's 60,000 mile tune up, and the mechanic could not see anything wrong, and since he couldn't duplicate the problem, he had no way to troubleshoot it. Has anyone ever heard of this? Other than that, it runs and normally starts fine.
This is a real problem, as I am not good with fixing cars (that's why I buy Hondas ;-), and I REALLY don't want to get stuck somewhere. In the past it has started eventually, but I can also hear the battery getting drained while it's happening, and eventually, I sure I will get stuck somewhere. If I can't find the problem, I may have to sell it and but something else. How sad :-( And I was such a big fan!
Thanks all,
Eric
While I realize that you have "a real problem", since your vehicle is seven (7) model-years old with 60,000 miles on the odometer, I cannot agree that your one-out-of-two-hundred-times "cranking" problem as a design or manufacturing "flaw". It is probably just a typical maintenance issue.
Since you seem to be very satisfied otherwise, why would consider selling it without having a second (or third) mechanic check it out? You may want to have someone check the condition of the teeth on your flywheel. The symptom that you've described could be a result of one tooth being damaged. The vehicle might not start readily if that particular tooth was in a position where it should, but otherwise cannot, engage the gear on the starter motor.
Is the starter spinning, but not engaging with the flywheel? or is the engine turning over, but not starting?
Mrbill
I hate to take this kind of problem to a dealer, I'm old enough to remember the old bad times. Thanks
the above link takes you to another independent quality rating. Lacrosse is under large cars and Camcord under mid but:
886 500 (large segment average 868)
886 Maxima (large segment average 868)
883 300 (large segment average 868)
875 G6 (midsize segment average 852)
874 LaCrosse (large segment average 868)
853 Camry (midsize segment average 852)
852 Accord (midsize segment average 852)
Now all the above cars were above or at average in their segment so they are not dogs but it does show how the domestics have this quality issue behind them on the new models. These are October/November bought vehicles so they are brand new models on the domestics and older models on the transplants. The domestics scores will only go up as they fix the early quality bugs.
They state "More than 40,793 buyers who bought 2005 models in October and November of 2004 supplied data. “We gather comprehensive data that reflects the breadth and depth of the ownership experience, including emotions. The information is used to calculate ‘Total Quality’ indices. These integrated relationships between attributes and emotions mirror how people respond to their new vehicle. Those product and performance characteristics that deliver more desired emotions more strongly impact the perception of Total Quality.”
This does not impress me personally as being the most reliable gauge of automotive quality beyond the initial six or fewer months used as the basis of their published numbers. I'd rather see owner reports about the quality of their vehicles after they've driven them for one or more years. That is the only way to determine longer term reliability, when the excitement and emotion about a new purchase has worn off somewhat.
I think domestics have improved and that's a good thing. Only time will tell.
I've never heard of Strategic Vision either. Lots of opinions out there.
Everyone has an opinion.
JD power is being announced this week. Lets see what they report.
Guess what? I AM, among other things a (gasp) salesperson! Imagine that?
I also try to dispense accurate advise. Most of the time a check engine light is the result of a loose gas cap. You are correct, however, it can be many other things, some expensive to fix. If I recall, this was a CERTIFIED car. that means that whatever the problem was it would be fixed before delivery. It would also mean that car would come with a warranty so it really shouldn't have been an issue. Check engine lights can be pesky ESPECIALLY on european cars wher it seems, they are almost ALWAYS on for some reason.
And, yes, I wouldn't buy a used car with that light on until the problem was identified and fixed.
Lastly, the little "lemon" emotorcons are getting pretty much over used.
This isn't true across the board, but there is definitely a connection. It seems to me that they have engineered their research methods to produce certain results, and that the car companies pay them to be able to influence their methods.
A top rating from CR is worth millions in sales. Since CR's ratings are not for sale, why not find some ratings that can be bought? You might even call that strategic vision.
I turned off all emoticons. In preferences along left side of window, in message board settings ir a square to uncheck and they're gone. But the :smile that turns each one on does show in the messages when you read them.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I'm a bit sensitive when it comes to cars that I own. I tend to feel, hear and sense things that others wouldn't even consider or notice.
When i'm at stop with the A/C on, the car vibrates a bit, which is normal. However, when the compressor kicks in, the vibration increases a bit, which is normal. Then the compressor cuts off and that's when the car lurches. I tried depressing the brake harder, but it still does it but not as much. I don't see this as normal because who literally steps on their brakes at stop?
Anyone else having this problem? Am I being overly sensitive? Before, this is my first 4 clyinder in about 10 years. However, the previous 4 cylinders I've owned (hyundai sonata's) didn't have this type of problem.
Also - doesn't it annoy you when a new car dealer down plays your 2003 Accord trade in and in the same breadth praises the same car in 2005. I want to trade my 2003 Accord EX L for a 2005 Accord EX L. But, the dealer insults my 2003 to validate giving me a mere 13, 500 for it against a new 2005.
ray1kon@verizon.net
Honda won't even let you get the TSB information at AllData. Their info on the Hondas and Honda Acuras is blocked from the public.'
>the dealer insults my 2003 to validate
Are you going to continue to try to deal with this person? I'd be somewhere else..., fast.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Honda surely is not unique in not providing the kind of "improvements, fixes, bugs, problems" list that you'd like to see. I believe that if you ask your question of ANY automobile, or airplane or golfcart, or tricycle, or cellphone, or... (you name the technology)... manufacturer on the planet, you'll get the same answer. That information is proprietary to the manufacturer, and shouldn't be expected to be provided to us common folk.
It is not unusual to go to a dealer, ask for a replacement part, only to find that they need your cars date of manufacture or even your VIN number so they get the right revision part for your car.
Things constantly change, and not all changes are for the better.
Mrbill
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Sorry, that is simply not so, blane. Hyundai (validated by personal experience) and Toyota (indicated by several posts on Edmunds' Camry discussions) both allow online searches of their TSBs by the "common folk" public. Salient TSBs can be searched as easily by inputting a particular vehicle's VIN to save time. Hyundai's only requirements are that the user register an account (free) and have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed in order to access the information onscreen. Printouts are only a click away through Acrobat Reader. I doubt those two companies are alone in their enlightened policy. I know for a fact that all Hyundai current and past models' (U.S.) factory shop manuals are available for online persusal, too.
(I drove an old Ford as a GI stationed in Germany)....
..regret your paint situation. I'll burn some incense for you, hoping Honda will make your day (and respray!)
best, ez.........
Here are the TBS for '05 Accord 4 cylinder:
Got them off Alldata.
Service Bulletins
TSB Number & Issue Date TSB Title
05-021 JUL 05 Suspension - Rear Stabilizer Link is Broken
04-057 JUN 05 Body - Creak or Click Noise From A-Pillar Area
03-036 JUN 05 Steering - Vehicle Pulls to The Right
SN050600-011 JUN 05 A/C - Heater Blows Cold Air, A/C Blows Warm Air
05-016 MAY 05 Restraints - Child Seat Anchor Locating Button Missing
03-036 MAY 05 Alignment - Vehicle Pulls to the Right
SN050503 MAY 05 A/T - Axle Seal Leakage
SN050504 MAY 05 Engine - Crankshaft Stamping Location Changed
SN050508 MAY 05 Exhaust System - Catalytic Converter Noise
SN050515 MAY 05 Instrument Cluster - Rewriting ODO Data
SN050509 MAY 05 Instruments - 'CHECK FUEL CAP' Message
SN050506 MAY 05 Wind Noise - Simple Way To Replicate
05-012 APR 05 Body - Moonroof Glass Weatherstrip is Damaged
SN050407 APR 05 A/T - Do Not Remove Torque Converter From Mainshaft
SN050413 APR 05 A/T - Scratches Around Shift Lock Release Slot
SN050418 APR 05 Body - Plastic Body Clip Removal Tips
SN050409 APR 05 Engine Controls - MAF Sensor Value Incorrect Reading
SN050314 MAR 05 A/T - Fixing Banjo Bolt Leaks
SN050312 MAR 05 Audio System - Muted Speakers
SN050309 MAR 05 Audio System - Radio Volume Drops
SN050315 MAR 05 Brakes - Rear Brake Disc Thickness Manual Revision
SN050316 MAR 05 Engine Controls - Clearing DTC's
SN050311 MAR 05 Windshield Wipers - Blade Care & Replacement
03-007 FEB 05 Interior - Headliner Sagging In Rear
SN050202 FEB 05 A/T - Avoiding Fluid Contamination
SN050215 FEB 05 Audio System - Never Play CD's With Adhesive Labels
SN050214 FEB 05 Body - Door Glass Weatherstrip Damage
SN050206 FEB 05 Engine Controls - DTC P0172
SN050210 FEB 05 Navigation System - Replacing Lost or Damaged DVD's
01-023 JAN 05 Engine Controls - Updating ECM/PCM Software
04-065 JAN 05 Homelink(R) System - Won't Learn Garage Door Opener Code
SN050106 JAN 05 Audio System - Registering Replacement XM Recievers
SN050107 JAN 05 Cruise Control - Unit Input Test Manual Revision
SN050109 JAN 05 Engine - Oil Recommendation GF-4 Standard
02-064 DEC 04 Navigation/Voice Recognition System - Operation
SN041106 NOV 04 Audio - HVAC Subdisplay / Clock Has Wrong Time
SN041107 NOV 04 Low Fuel Indicator Comes On At 1/4 Tank
SN040703 JUL 04 A/C - Poor Cooling During Hard Acceleration
SN030502 MAY 03 Clearing DTCs & Setting ECM/PCM With The HDS
To get a copy of any of these TBS, just call your local Honda service dept and they usually fax over a copy for free.
Concur with your observation on the soft paint;
with less than 3ooo miles on our '05LX, we have numerous dings on the hood and front fenders and painted bumper. As to getting Honda to do anything.. well that is a very remote possibility.
Another thing, about half the '05 Accord hoods and trunk lids on the dealers lot, were installed crooked. We saw a wider sheet metal gap on the driver's side than the pasenger's. You can quickly check this by putting together 3to4 credit cards and miking theses gaps. Interestingly some Mercedes fail this test as well.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Never once, ever, have I heard of this or had a customer mention it. Mus not be much of a "problem".
So, I could take a stack of credit cards...on one side, three cards fit, on the other side, I can jam FOUR cards in!! Oh, HORRORS!!
Funny what is a big concern to some people....
Thanks,
*60,000 miles in "severe" service according to my '96 Accord's owner's manual - check your own owner's manual for your year Accord.
i have a 2002 accord coupe ex v6. Bought it new and never been in an accident. just yesterday the check engine light came on. I took it to my mechanic to get the code read. it said p1607 ECM/PCM Internal Circuit Failure.
Has anyone had this problem before? If so, what caused it and how much to get it replaced?
TIA
I checked after reading but it's not April 1.
I'm sure all those problems are made up from nonowners too. Same thing in the other discussions. Others just come in a aggitate about perfect cars with wonderful reputations and try to sully their reputations with false reports.
LOLWROFL
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
it rides like a jeep. that is jumping all over on every road crack and forget the bumps!
i'm bringing it in to service and want to know what to expect.
i was driving a toyota avalon and did not expect to drive a car that bounces on every crack in road.
there must be something wrong in suspension, shocks, struts.
anybody have this problem?
from hopesup
..are rather obvious....
.the Toyota ride is quiet, well-cushioned and just peachy..
on the freeway/highway/street - - - in a strait line!
.Honda much firmer. communicating "road feel" big time - -really quite a difference. I can hear your chagrin.......
I went from a 2k Solara 5M to an '05 HA EX V-6 Coupe 6M...
...we be talking serious differences here............
On a more positive note - provided your dealer is as world class as mine in the northern California foothills - you can look forward to a nice chat with your favorite tech.
I would recommend you keep in mind the Toyota-Honda suspension persona: they are in different universes.
...note we both have leather.....a first for me. But concur with you - - - the road feel does indeed pervade...
...Solara and I never bonded;not the case with the coupe.
all the best, ez
and to the person above complaining about a firm ride. driving a toyota is like riding on a boat. honda's do have a firmer ride but more sporty handling (though not sporty enough for me stockwise ). did you test drive before you bought it?
..innovative design elements far beyond my former Solara SEV6 5MT are (IMHO) impressive. High beam actuation SUPPLEMENTS (vice supplanting) the low beams. A snappy little lite filters down upon the gearshift knob.
On a hot day you can lower the windows from afar........
Driving astutely (AKA: 2200RPM/6th) folks with an economy bent can durn near approach 600 miles on a tankful of 87...
...o ye of little faith....
..ez