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Honda Accord Quality Control Issues

anselmo1anselmo1 Posts: 163
edited August 15 in Honda
To date, the Honda Accord is the number #1 sedan sold in the United States for 2001. The majority of the Accords are produced in Ohio with a few being exported from Japan. Has the quality control of the Accord gone down hill in the last 3 years since the inception of the 6th generation model? There seems to be various issues debated regarding the quality of workmanship of the I-4 and V-6 Accords produced in the United States. Some of the issues I have been reading at Edmunds.com are transmission problems with the V-6 Accord, balancer shaft seal problems with all Accords, front brake and rotor problems, fuel sending unit problems as well as paint and finish flaws. Is it me or are there more quality problems developing in the US built Accords? There seems to be a host of problems listed on the Maintenance and Repair section of Edmunds. Comments please!
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  • firstnamefirstname Posts: 45
    Well, recently I sold my 99 Accord EX Coupe because it had such an annoying clutch problem. The dealer Service Manager test-drove it and could not disagree, but he could only offer a fix if it finally BROKE DOWN on me (under warranty). It had one of those "intermittent" roughness problems that was especially annoying. I had suspected a clutch plate improperly mounted. It drove like the mounting bolt heads were grinding against the clutch plate material.

    Anyway, my biggest complaint about Honda's is that they never mastered the transmission -- automatic or manual.
  • Honda has slipped a lot quality wise. All you have to do is look at this board that lists all the problems with Honda products. I can no longer name any car manufacturer that has an outstanding automobile.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,915
    Forget the fact (if you can) that I sell Hondas.

    The "problems" mentioned here have been greatly overblown.

    Any car can and will have an ocassional problem. Since Hondas are so reliable, when something DOES happen it gets front page news.

    They are better than ever!
  • anselmo1anselmo1 Posts: 163
    I would say that Honda's reliability has fallen off dramatically since the inception of the V-6 Accord in 1998 in its 6th Generation model. NHSTA has a listing of all the transmission problems in the V-6 Accord. A bad supplier was blamed for the initial problem but why are the problems continuing?Since you sell Hondas, your bias is quite evident. Don't get me wrong, I own a 5th Generation Accord which I like a lot.Let's just say, that Hondas of today are not like Hondas back 5 to 6 years ago.
  • carguy62carguy62 Posts: 545
    In the recent JD Powers survey the Acura TL was near the top on the list with 76 defects. The Accord had 109 and the Acura CL 152. Why would there be such a difference? All three are made at the same factory with many shared mechanicals. Do they put away the quality checks when the Accord (though 109 is still pretty good) and the CL are being built? Someone once mentioned stricter quality for Acura, so how does that explain the CL having twice the defects of the TL?

    FWIW my own experience with an '89 Accord has been quite satisfying. It was built in Japan. For the short time I had an Ohio made '01 Accord there weren't any major initial issues. I have to agree with Isell, I think Honda has such a good reputation that anything bad is magnified.
  • lancerfixerlancerfixer Posts: 1,308
    Not to be too nitpicky, but a V-6 Accord has been available since '95.
  • anselmo1anselmo1 Posts: 163
    I was talking about the 6th Generation Accords (!998-2001) in particular regarding the problems. I am aware that the first V-6 Accord was produced in 1995. Strange that it did not have the same type of transmission problems as the 6th generation Accord V-6's? What could be so different?
  • lancerfixerlancerfixer Posts: 1,308
    I dunno. I drive manual trannies exclusively. :-)
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,915
    First I ever heard of this was right here, in Town Hall. I'll repeat, this was very much overblown.

    A supplier, unbeknownst to Honda decided to change specs on some part in the V-6 transmissions. This would cause a loud "clunk" while backing up. It did not cause total failure.

    Honda was blindslided by this.

    And, few cars were affected. To this day, I have NEVER heard this clunk and I've backed up literally hundreds of them.

    The problem cars were fixed under warranty, case closed.

    If anselmo wants to think Hondas aren't as good as before, I'll respect his opinion even though I totally disagree.
  • anselmo1anselmo1 Posts: 163
    It just wasn't a few units on the V-6 transmission. I know for a fact that one man has had his replaced on his 1998 Accord V-6 as well as his 2001 Accord V-6. The problem with V-6 transmissions is continuous. The Honda-Acura. Net board has numerous postings regarding this problem. http://www.Honda-Acura.net Thank you for respecting my opinion but it is an ongoing problem along with the fuel sending unit and balancer shaft seal defects just to name a few examples.
  • pblevinepblevine Posts: 858
    I sort of have to agree with isellhondas on this one. I've seen the complaints on Honda-Acura.Net and they are real. But they are rare. I've got a '98 Accord Coupe (EX V6) and have not had that problem. The only problem I've had concerned the Fuel Sending Unit. It worked but just was not accurate. But Honda replaced on a recall and it has been fine since then. Anyway, most of these problems have been rare, but it does seem that as time goes on, more and more such problems are being reported. Could it be that quality has been going downhill since '98?
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,915
    All cars will have problems. Hondas have so few that when something does go wrong people, like yourself, tend to make a BIG deal over it.

    I'm not trying to make light of this, but, let's think about it.

    Fuel sending problems...well, big deal! Fixed under warranty. Another problems I've only heard about in these forums.

    Balancer shaft seal? Yep, honda discovered that this seal *can* fail (it rarely does) on I think 1994-1997 Accords so on their own, they offer an update seal kit at NO CHARGE to the owners of these cars.

    Problems....? Yeah, you bet!

    Find something with fewer problems!
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,915
    It's true. Misery DOES love company. I've watched these posts talking about things like gas guage problems and I see the responses...

    " Gee...now that you mention it, I think my gas guage may be off too" or " I better go back up 50 times to see if I have that terrible clunk"

    Just human nature I guess...
  • anselmo1anselmo1 Posts: 163
    Your right, it seems there is a lot of misery with 6th Generation V-6 Accords. As far as the balancer shaft seal blowing, it is a major design flaw that took numerous complaints to NHSTA to resolve by Honda. Your V-6 automatic transmission will be next. The fuel sending unit has puzzled Honda engineers for 6 years now as well as their supplier. Don't get me wrong, I own an Accord but I think the 6th Generation Accords have far many more problems than any previous generation.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,915
    Yep. all of these "problems" that some folks seem to delight in telling and retelling...

    The gas guage one is the one that puzzles me the most. I have NEVER heard of this except for right here, in these forums.

    A "lot of misery" ? Amazing!
  • I have had my fuel sending unit replaced twice on my Accord. Maybe you should confer with your service manager at your dealership isellhondas. He can probably fill you in on a lot of problems that as salesman you are unaware of.
  • phelpsgphelpsg Posts: 15
    I bought my 1st Accord about a month ago because of the reputation for quality. I've always owned GM so I thought this would be a step up. It's still too early to say it's not, but my Accord has a wind noise that's been driving me crazy at highway speeds. I found out that there is a TSB about the problem which apparently is due to a faulty windshield seal so it's going back to the dealer for repair. This seems like a basic quality control issue if you ask me.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,915
    Oh, I'm sure the fuel guage problems exist. It's just that I'll usually hear it when problems pop up and this is one that's news to me.

    Somehow, I don't think it's that widespread. Of course when it hits home, it's a REAL problem!
  • anselmo1anselmo1 Posts: 163
    Everyone knows about Accord's fuel sending unit problems isellhondas. As a salesman, I guess I wouldn't tell my customers that Honda Accord's have fuel sending unit problems while trying to close on a sale. The Balancer Shaft Seal is a major problem as well as dangerous.You watch the little oil light on your dash keep blinking and blinking and whamo, in the matter of no time you have a seized engine. This problem is well documented at the NHSTA's website. Maybe sometime you should pay a visit there and note all the Accord problems.
  • fritz1224fritz1224 Posts: 398
    I too have the funny gas gauge. After 30 miles 3/4 tank. 140 miles 1/2 tank. Then normal. Got the extended Honda warranty for 925, bumper to bumper, not worried, for now. Still, IMHO, Honda ain't all that.
  • lugwrenchlugwrench Posts: 213
    Blew my balancer shaft seal on my 1996 Accord while on vacation in Myrtle Beach, SC back in March. My Accord had only 32K on the odometer. Financially speaking it was a nightmare. Had to have the car towed to the dealership where it sat over the entire weekend and two extra days. Tried to charge me over $700.00 since my car was out of warranty. Remembered reading about the problem at Edmunds and informed the dealership. After a few phone calls, Honda covered the cost of the repair but it ruined my vacation. Had to rent a car etc. Found out later that this repair happens often. Never thought this would ever happen with a Honda.
  • teoteo Posts: 2,508
    Was your '96 Accord a V6 model?
  • lugwrenchlugwrench Posts: 213
    My 1996 Accord is a 4 cylinder.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,915
    Sorry, but not "everyone" knows about Honda's fuel sending unit problem. I don't give a rip whether you believe this or not, BUT, prior to reading some comments in these forums, I had NEVER heard of this. Guess the problem can't be all that bad. This is why cars come with a warranty.

    The balancer shaft seal failures are also very isolated. The vast majority of owners never had a problem with this.

    Still, Honda is doing a product update for the affected models at no charge.

    No car is perfect, anselmo and I would challenge you to come up with the name of a more reliable car than Honda.

    I just have to wonder why you continue to rehash all of these "problems"?
  • lugwrenchlugwrench Posts: 213
    The problems presented regarding the fuel sending units and the balancer shaft seals are not isolated and are an ongoing problem at Honda America. These problems have been rehashed in Edmunds to alert Accord owners of potential problems. Heck if I didn't read it here about the blown balancer shaft seal problem, I would have been out over $700.00. As far as the V-6 transmission problem in the new Accords, I have read in other forums that this is happening a lot more than you seem to realize. I guess you would have to go to the JD Powers survey to find the most reliable car. I am pretty sure that Lexus or Acura is at the top of the list and Honda is somewhere in the middle of the top ten. Everyone should be able to voice their problems regarding Honda Accords at this forum. I guess that this is the reason they are on Part 2 now!
  • anselmo1anselmo1 Posts: 163
    The balancer shaft seal problem, V-6 Accord transmission problem and the fuel sending unit problems are well document isellhondas. I guess selling Hondas makes you blind to the many problems found lately in Honda Accords. I would suggest you go take a visit to the NHSTA website and view the long list of complaints yourself. Frequent would be a much better word than isolated describing the above three problems. By the way, the Honda Accord is not the most reliable car in any report that I have seen. Consumer Reports as well as the JD Powers survey does not list the Accord as the most reliable car sold in America. Honda's quality control is just slipping as compared to the late 80's and early 90's.There is no denying any of those facts.
  • The problems seem to be more frequent in the 5th and 6th generation Accord than in the previous generations. I can understand why isellhondas wants to make these recurrent problems look isolated. He sells Hondas and doesn't want to believe there are problems. Unfortunately, these problems and defects are hurting the once stellar standing that the Honda Accord once had! As far as finding the perfect car, maybe the old Model T Ford was that vehicle?
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,915
    To argue here. Since I do happen to sell Hondas, I realize that few people here will believe me.

    I still contend, however, that given the hundreds of thousands of Accords produced that these problems are few and far between.

    Naturally, in these forums any problem is magnified as it is discussed over and over again as others chime in with stories of their own.

    As problems arise, Honda always does a great job of taking care of their customers under warranty.

    So, has quality slipped? In my opinion, not at all but I'm sure others would disagree.

    Discussing these issues is what a Town Hall forum is all about, isn't it?
  • teoteo Posts: 2,508
    A car salesman admitting problems with the products he sells. "Defects" and "Problems" are not two words found on a sales person's vocabulary.

    Isellhondas::: I respect much your views and insights in the business of selling cars, but to be so 'stubborn'and not to accept the fact that even Hondas (specially models of late) are not as perfect as you would like others to believe, is quite frankly, a little bit overboard and erodes your credibility.

    Having owned several Honda/Acura products since 1989 all I can say is that the quality level of the current Honda/Acura breathen has deteriorated considerably and this applies to the great majority of models assambled in North America. My sister has a '99 Honda Accord LX Auto (Her third Accord car)and she has been having chronic problems with the front brakes in terms of premature pad wear and rotor warping. However, the service received from her dealer has been very good so far.

    My best Honda products were the 1989, 1990 and 1994 Honda Accords. The 1995 Acura Integra LS sedan was another excellent car. The 1997 Acura 2.5TL (Assambled in Japan) had many little nagging problems beginning at 4K miles.

    Places such as Edmunds do serve a great purpose to keep consumers informed and up to date with the issues, please let's not bully them.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,915
    I don't think I've ever said Hondas were perfect. No car is. I've only stated my personal experience gain from six years of selling them.

    I spend quite a bit of time in the shop and hear a lot from the technicians. The sky is NOT falling! I'll repeat these problems are NOT frequent but are pretty isolated. Naturally if YOUR car is affected then it becomes a major issue. I understand that.

    You call me stubborn in my attempts to explain things....perhaps. Remember, I have nothing to gain here. I'm not here to sell cars and the "regulars" know that.

    The best example is the fuel guage problem. Never heard of it except here where it seems to be a MAJOR issue.

    I'm only trying to share my perspective as I see things. Sorry you see that as "bullying" people.

    And...sorry to say this, but I strongly suspect your sister (or another driver?) is extremely hard on her brakes. Again, this is very uncommon.

    Just traded our 98 Accord LX (same brakes) with 52,000 miles. Original pads measured 4 mm. they come with 9-10mm new. Lots of traffic and hills in Seattle too.
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