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Land Rover Defender 90/110

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  • droopeydroopey Posts: 1
    I just got one of these babies...But it came with the book, but it is all in different metric tables. Does anyone here know the specs on this thing? For example, horsepower, engine size, miles per gallon and how big the gas tank is, and other specs like wheel base and so forth? It would be greatly appreciated.
  • lr_saleslr_sales Posts: 13
    Just go here punch in the metric dimensions then convert to standard dimensions.

    Put it in a spread sheet and print it out.

    http://www.sciencemadesimple.com/conversions.html
  • brdhntr1brdhntr1 Posts: 19
    I wish they would bring back the Defender 50 pickup. Jeep is toying with making a Gladiator with a diesel that would be a "mid size" truck. Jeep cannot make a decision until way after the opportunity passes. Maybe Land Rover can fill this niche and beat Jeep to the punch.
  • I would love to meet the guy who decided to be stuborn and not put a damn airbag in the defender. He has to be the dumbest person that works in the land rover company. Very stupid decision. We americans have alot of money that we like to spend on stupid things that make us happy. We work hard and we play even harder. I just spent $125,000.00 u.s. dollars for a 1993 defender 110 from a company up in maine. East Coast Rovers! Look them up! Land rover is missing a huge market over here. The hummer just doesn't do it for me. Along with 99.9 percent of the rest of the true off road purists. Arnold started the hummer craze and the vehicle has very little history and no class.

    Guy's, the defender needs to come back to the states with diesel engines and in all variations. Especially the Hi-Cap pick ups. Do you know how many people drive trucks in this country? Bringing the defender back with the diesel option in all variations would be a great move. For the company and for the LR purists.

    And you don't have to make cost 50,000.00 dollars either!

    get this to the big guys!

    Thank you,
    Chris
  • Hey Chris,

    I totally hear you! I had a 1972 Land-Rover short wheel base in college. I continue to drive my 1989 Range Rover Classic. I can't say that the new LR3 or the RR Sport makes me want to get interested in Land Rover's again.

    I don't have your money, but I defenately would pay a premium for LR, as yo mention, a history and just a good all round truck. A note, even the US special forces use Land Rovers alot. Hummers are design to tow guns and stuff. Not a real people moving in close situation, such as streets or the forests.

    I heard they just can't put an airbag in the thing. Souds stupid to me, but that's the British!

    As for a diesel, I've decided my next car/truck will have to be one, as I think we are heading the way of Europe with high fuel costs. And the posibility of running Biodiesel. I heard that the main reason the diesels are not here, is becuase the US diesel is dirty. Only VW has an engine that will run on our dirty fuel. In 2006, the diesel will be cleaned up, and parent Ford is making noise, and is tooling up to manufacture v6 and v8 diesels for the USA, and -- for Land Rover!

    Here's a cool link to a drawing I saw of a future 2007 Defender. You do know, they are bringing it back in 2007 as a 2008 model? Or is it 2006.

    http://www.landrover-center.com/default.asp

    and the picture: http://www.landrover-center.com/mnimageview.asp?newsID=234&img=pic1

    Granted, the picture is styleized, but you get the idea. I think they are trying to keep the spirt of the Defender. Even though it looks like a cartoon.

    Let's hope for the best! Or, we just keep going back to East Coast Rover, and life goes on. By the way, you can import most any car to the USA, if it's 25 years or olders. The first Defender was made in what, 1984?

    Ed
  • I just contacted Land Rover about the Defender 90/110. Here is the response.

    Thank you for contacting the Land Rover Customer Relationship Center.

    At this time Land Rover does not have any plans to re-introduce the Defender model into the United States. This vehicle requires several design and performance changes in order to be compliant with strict U.S. safety and emissions standards. We appreciate our customer's enthusiasm regarding this vehicle and I will therefore forward your comments to product development for consideration. The last year the Defender was offered in the U.S. was 1997.

    Sincerely,

    Land Rover North America

    I really hope the DO NOT touch/re-design the Land Rover. This is a classic and is just perfect the way it is. Just put in some airbags and meet emission standards.
  • c4mentc4ment Posts: 2
    Allright, well I've seen some good posts here. I think folks are finally starting to wake up. One post read that on a recent trip to Europe he was supprised to find that Defender was still produced!! I predict that the high dollar world of the U.S. Defender is about to come crashing down. There is nothing I hate more than a purely utilitarian automobile that catches on as a fad. As a result dealers and private parties alike clammer to see who can get the most $$$ for their used Defender. This drives the "assumed" value of the vehicle up until people who actually use the vehicles for the purpose that was intended cannot afford them. Why can't the wealthy "grass roots" wannabe's just be happy with their $80k Range Rovers. Go drive the price up on them.

    Well, as I said, my friends I believe the bubble is about to burst. The word is that Land Rover will re-introduce the Defender to America in 2007 as a 2008 model. Sorry all of you who were hoping to rape the next buyer of your lovely utilitarian vehicle. Prices will undoubtedly sink to a more reasonable level on the '93-97 models on the market. Though I don't believe that we will see prices so low as the used stock in G.B., certainly the tides will change. Hopefully Defender will stop being the dream of yuppies everywhere, and more people who actually use the vehicles will have an opportunity to climb in.
  • c4mentc4ment Posts: 2
    Sorry Chris, Real offroad purists or even Land Rover purists don't spend $125k on a vehicle that brand new only cost $37,500. Used 110's in England the same as yours go for 7-10k. So how does spending that much even make since? Unfortunately, what people WILL pay drives the market. If everyone that looked at that 110 said "125k you must be mad, I'll give you $15k" then the problem would be solved
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    It is supply and demand. Only 300 or so 110 Defenders were officialy imported into the US so of course those demand a premium. Only a few thousand D90s came to the US over the three years. Really rough defenders get 20,000 plus dollars on the wholesale market on a regular basis. The price of true US Spec D90s and D110's will always be high because there are so few of them.

    When the Defender come back in 2-3 years it will be on the TD6 platform that the LR3/Range Rover Sport use. It might look a lot like the old defender but will be completly different underneath.
  • gringo1gringo1 Posts: 67
    I have a chance to buy a 98 TDI Defender with 200k kilometers on it.

    All records of maintenance have been kept.

    The owner wants 16,000 dollars U.S.

    1. Is this diesel motor vehicle importable to the U.S.?
    2. What is the estimate of import tariff I would pay?
    3. Is this a good price, or are there too many miles on it, or any opinions out there?

    Thanks,
    gringo1
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,128
    "Land Rover said it will release details about an upgraded 2007 model of its Defender SUV later this year."

    Upgraded Land Rover Defender Due Out Next Year (Inside Line)

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  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,128
    You can appraise a used car before you buy.

    As far as importing it to the states, maybe this discussion will help:

    Importing Canadian Vehicles to the U.S.

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  • londnrlondnr Posts: 55
    I have read all of the posts on this forum and like a lot of you I wanted to get my hands a used European 110 and bring it over here for way less than the price of a used North American Specification (NAS) 110.

    Bad news - although not impossible (it can be done), it is very, very hard and by the time you have finished, you might want to have spent the money on a US Defender.

    First the vehicle must either be over 25 years old - rules out all Defenders - or it must be comparable to the original vehicles imported by the manufacturer.

    Simply put you can only buy and import a 1993 Defender 110 in Europe, this was the only year the 110 was sold in the US and the only year the DOT will allow you to import. Next you have to bring your European 110 up to the same specifications as the original 1993 NAS 110s. The process is called "Federalizing" the vehicle. There is only one company in the US that is licensed and bonded to do the work - Skytop Rovers in PA.

    Expect to pay $15,000 or more to bring your Rover up to NAS standards. This will include the exterior roll cage, rear bumper and lights to name but a few things.

    Shipping from UK to the east coast is around $1,500, the west coast about $2,000.

    Remember the dollar is weak against the pound sterling at the moment - I sent money to the UK today and the rate was $1.94 to the pound. So if you find a decent 1993 (and remember it will be 13 years old and may already have led a hard life) you might be lucky and pay around ₤3,000 to ₤5,000, roughly speaking about $6,000 to $10,000.

    Cost at this point about $27,000. The next question - do you fly to Europe and find the car yourself or buy it online and hope it is what it says it is. Factor that cost in as well.

    If the shipper has to pick the car up for you in the UK you may pay anywhere from ₤100 to ₤750 in transport costs - it will depend on the pick up location, then there may be storage fees waiting for your vessel to sail. I last paid ₤20 per week.

    There may be duty due upon entry into the US - I don't know, you would have to deal with a Customs broker to advise you, last quote I got was $275.

    Then of course you will have to pay any fees to your local DMW.

    Overall you may be paying $30,000 to $40,000 for a 13-year-old Land Rover 110. It may be cheaper, but it may not have the wow factor of the original 500 NAS Defender 110s that were brought here.

    I don't know about bringing the diesel engine in separately but there are a few Land Rover specialists in the US that are offering conversion from the V8 to the Td5 - cost around $15,000+.

    If you have a NAS Defender 90 then East Coast Rover will rebuild it for you into any configuration you want, 110, 130 whatever you like - just be prepared to pay for it. A previous poster paid well over $100,000 for his 110. That being said these are ground up hand rebuilds. I wouldn't want to pay that myself, but the work is quality and some people are prepared to pay the money.

    I have used Land Rovers based in the UK as my price model because that is what my research is based on. So lastly it is important to remember that the 110 would be a right hand drive model and that would decrease its value as opposed to the NAS left hand drives.

    But take heart, the defender was launched in 1983 and the first models will be available for import in about 18 months.

    I hope this helps some of you. It took me quite a while to gather all this information, but feel free to do hours and hours of research on your own if you want to confirm or deny it.

    One final word of warning - if anyone tells you that they can legally sell you a Defender that doesn't match the years of official import by Land Rover North America - I would run, if it isn't on the DOT approved list and you buy it, you run the risk of having the vehicle seized and destroyed. Caveat Emptor.
  • buddy00buddy00 Posts: 3
    I currently live in Germany and work for the U.S. Military. I expect to be in Germany for another 5 to 10 years. Everyday I see Defenders driving around and have always wanted one. As I understand it, a Defender would have to be over 25 years old to ship back to the U.S. That being said, is there anything preventing me from buying a late 80s Defender ( I can pick up for a few thousand dollars) and say a 2003 Defender( that I could get for about 15,000 dollars) then use a 2003 for parts to restore the late 80s Defender. I could then ship the 80s model back to the U.S. still being 25 years old.

    Any thoughts?
  • londnrlondnr Posts: 55
    Buddy,

    You raise an interesting question. You are proposing buying an early defender and restoring it with late model parts.

    Technically there is nothing to stop you from doing that, but like everything you may run into some problems. You could buy an '83 110 and rebuild it from the ground up, chassis, interior, doors, engine, transmission, etc. You would effectively have a "brand new" 110 defender that you could bring into the US in 2008 - not a problem for you as you will be in Germany till at least then.

    Your problems may begin with the EPA. As I understand it to be exempt from EPA requirements the engine must be 21 years or older(the 25 year mark is for DOT safety standards). Nothing to stop you from re conditioning the original engine, but if you put a newer engine in, say a TD300 that is less than 21 years old you may not be able to import the car legally - unless that engine has been certified to meet with all of the applicable EPA standards.

    Next consideration - even if the EPA lets the car in, your state may have its own restrictions.

    All in all if you recondition an older defender with a 3.5 V8 you should sail through the importation process. Like everything, do your homework first, do not take everything I have said as Gospel - double check and confirm everything.

    Good luck - and enjoy the World Cup.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    with classic minis.

    Basicly reVINing a new mini built during the 90s with the VIN from a mini built in the 70s or earlier.

    This allows them to import the new car as a 25 year old vehicle.
  • londnrlondnr Posts: 55
    "ReVINing" is illegal. If discovered the best you can hope for is that the vehicle is destroyed.

    I don't know what the worst consequences might be, but the importation forms are Federal - and knowingly committing perjury to the Feds, well I can't imagine the consequences are good.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    It might be illegal but there are a lot of minis in the US because of it. Is it something they really enforce heavily?
  • londnrlondnr Posts: 55
    The fact is, it is illegal. The level of enforcement shouldn't be a factor when considering whether or not to break the law.

    Furthermore it may not be the original importer that ends up suffering the loss of the motor vehicle. A second or third buyer may end up having the vehicle seized and destroyed. They won't face any criminal consequences, but they will be out the cost of the car and most likely their only recourse would be a civil suit against the person responsible for altering the VIN - and in all likelihood they will come up against a judgment proof defendant.

    Not all robbery or burglary suspects get caught - I am not convinced that is a good reason to commit robbery or burglary. While altering the VIN may not rise to the level of these crimes in the minds of some - it involves fraud, it involves deception, it involves perjury and it is wrong.

    Who knows what other "steps" were taken to get that car into the US?
  • buddy00buddy00 Posts: 3
    I was not considering altering the VIN. I just wanted to have a 110 I could legally take back to the U.S. when I go. I think as long as I keep the engine and and other identifying marks in tact it should be perfectly legal to replace anything else. I can always break down the newer engine and ship it back for spare parts. Heck, maybe I'll get a 90 and a 110.

    I don't think I have to go through an importer, I think the military will contract the shipping, it just needs to get through U.S. customs and they do that here.
  • londnrlondnr Posts: 55
    I was at the port last week picking up a Land Rover with a friend. While we were there a military guy was having trouble bringing in his Armed Forces Europe car - it was all due to paperwork, he was missing a couple of forms.

    Although it is early days for you, the current forms are: DOT form HS-7 and EPA form 3520-1 - but they may change before you are ready to do the move.

    The comment on changing the VIN was posted by someone else, check my earlier post, I am pretty sure that you could rebuild a 1983 110 from the ground up as long is it is maintains its original form/character.

    As to a different engine broken down for spares, you are outside my area of research, so I don't really know if there are EPA concerns or not. There are some Land Rover places in the US that already offer conversions to the later diesel engines, it might just be easier to have one of them do the work.
  • buddy00buddy00 Posts: 3
    I will have to do some checking to find out how much of a vehicle's parts you can replace and not change it's identification. I think as long as you keep the engine block and the parts with the VIN the rest is fair game.

    I think the only way to get past the EPA is to keep the original 25 year old engine. I can always ship the new one back as a spare.
  • londnrlondnr Posts: 55
    EPA is 21 years.

    I can email you the forms to review if you like, there may be some information on them that is useful to you
  • racer_65racer_65 Posts: 43
    A while back it was heard in the press that Land Rover has decided to extend the life of the existing Defender, and will be equipping it with air bag and so forth. Is there any chance it will meet the U.S. safety regulations, thus enabling it to come back to the U.S. market? Any insiders here?

    I think lots of people miss it here. That's why people try to import these on there own. I certainly want one. A Land Rover dealership just isn't the same without the Defender in the showroom.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    Haven't heard anything yet on a new defender. They haven't even told us for sure when the LR2 is coming in. I see in various magazines that it will be here late in 2006 but I highly doubt that. Most likely it will be January 2007 at the earliest and most likely not till april 2007.

    As for the Defender maybe 2010.
  • racer_65racer_65 Posts: 43
    Thanks for the input. I'm not excited about the LR2. There are already too many vehicles like that. The real enthusiasts want the Defender. When I read the UK Land Rover magazines, it's all about the Defender, yet we can't get any here! If you look at the second hand market for Defenders, it's obvious there is demand here. Will you guys tell Land Rover that we want the Defender back?
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    Of course we have over and over. That is usually my first question for any of our Land Rover reps when they come to visit.

    They have already made one update to the defender about a year ago to cut down on production costs. They made some production changes to decrease the amount of man hours required to build each defender. That extended the lifespan of the current design to around 2009/2010. I would be very surprised if they make changes to place an airbag on the defender so it can be sold here in its current form. Although I would love to get the defender here again in a year or so I think it makes more financial sense for Land Rover to spend the money adapting the LR3/RRS platform to a defender architecture.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,128
    Here's another blurb about the 2007 Defender.

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  • dandrews1dandrews1 Posts: 184
    Up here in Canada, the limit is 20 years. I just picked up my 2006 LR3 HSE, and was surprised to find this little gem sitting there.

    I was seriously tempted and asked specifically how they were able to di it... I also got the story about "it is a 1986 rebuilt with new parts, with a 1986 VIN on it." also, he noted they have no airbags, the seat belts are dodgy at best and it rides like a school bus in the highway.

    That still didn't scare me off, until he dropped the bomb on me: "The heater doesn't really work well as it was primarily designed to be in tropical climates... so you'll probably have to wear your winter boots and coat all the time in the winter"

    Ok, stop all the cold winter in Canada Jokes... 50% of the Canadian population lives further south than the guys in North Dakota and Wisconsin, and we get a weather blurb around the great lakes that makes Toronto warmer than Buffalo... but still, we can sometimes get some stinkin cold winters....

    So the wife-acceptance factor fell from "slightly interested, but improbable" to "no-frickin-way" at that word about the heater being sub-par. (side note - with the 2007 Defender announcement, I notice they stress multiple times how much better the heater is!)

    Anyways, for those Edmunds readers in Canada, you can get them legally here now.

    /DA
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