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Land Rover Defender 90/110



  • londnrlondnr Posts: 55
    I was at the port last week picking up a Land Rover with a friend. While we were there a military guy was having trouble bringing in his Armed Forces Europe car - it was all due to paperwork, he was missing a couple of forms.

    Although it is early days for you, the current forms are: DOT form HS-7 and EPA form 3520-1 - but they may change before you are ready to do the move.

    The comment on changing the VIN was posted by someone else, check my earlier post, I am pretty sure that you could rebuild a 1983 110 from the ground up as long is it is maintains its original form/character.

    As to a different engine broken down for spares, you are outside my area of research, so I don't really know if there are EPA concerns or not. There are some Land Rover places in the US that already offer conversions to the later diesel engines, it might just be easier to have one of them do the work.
  • buddy00buddy00 Posts: 3
    I will have to do some checking to find out how much of a vehicle's parts you can replace and not change it's identification. I think as long as you keep the engine block and the parts with the VIN the rest is fair game.

    I think the only way to get past the EPA is to keep the original 25 year old engine. I can always ship the new one back as a spare.
  • londnrlondnr Posts: 55
    EPA is 21 years.

    I can email you the forms to review if you like, there may be some information on them that is useful to you
  • racer_65racer_65 Posts: 43
    A while back it was heard in the press that Land Rover has decided to extend the life of the existing Defender, and will be equipping it with air bag and so forth. Is there any chance it will meet the U.S. safety regulations, thus enabling it to come back to the U.S. market? Any insiders here?

    I think lots of people miss it here. That's why people try to import these on there own. I certainly want one. A Land Rover dealership just isn't the same without the Defender in the showroom.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    Haven't heard anything yet on a new defender. They haven't even told us for sure when the LR2 is coming in. I see in various magazines that it will be here late in 2006 but I highly doubt that. Most likely it will be January 2007 at the earliest and most likely not till april 2007.

    As for the Defender maybe 2010.
  • racer_65racer_65 Posts: 43
    Thanks for the input. I'm not excited about the LR2. There are already too many vehicles like that. The real enthusiasts want the Defender. When I read the UK Land Rover magazines, it's all about the Defender, yet we can't get any here! If you look at the second hand market for Defenders, it's obvious there is demand here. Will you guys tell Land Rover that we want the Defender back?
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    Of course we have over and over. That is usually my first question for any of our Land Rover reps when they come to visit.

    They have already made one update to the defender about a year ago to cut down on production costs. They made some production changes to decrease the amount of man hours required to build each defender. That extended the lifespan of the current design to around 2009/2010. I would be very surprised if they make changes to place an airbag on the defender so it can be sold here in its current form. Although I would love to get the defender here again in a year or so I think it makes more financial sense for Land Rover to spend the money adapting the LR3/RRS platform to a defender architecture.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 39,971
    Here's another blurb about the 2007 Defender.

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  • dandrews1dandrews1 Posts: 184
    Up here in Canada, the limit is 20 years. I just picked up my 2006 LR3 HSE, and was surprised to find this little gem sitting there.

    I was seriously tempted and asked specifically how they were able to di it... I also got the story about "it is a 1986 rebuilt with new parts, with a 1986 VIN on it." also, he noted they have no airbags, the seat belts are dodgy at best and it rides like a school bus in the highway.

    That still didn't scare me off, until he dropped the bomb on me: "The heater doesn't really work well as it was primarily designed to be in tropical climates... so you'll probably have to wear your winter boots and coat all the time in the winter"

    Ok, stop all the cold winter in Canada Jokes... 50% of the Canadian population lives further south than the guys in North Dakota and Wisconsin, and we get a weather blurb around the great lakes that makes Toronto warmer than Buffalo... but still, we can sometimes get some stinkin cold winters....

    So the wife-acceptance factor fell from "slightly interested, but improbable" to "no-frickin-way" at that word about the heater being sub-par. (side note - with the 2007 Defender announcement, I notice they stress multiple times how much better the heater is!)

    Anyways, for those Edmunds readers in Canada, you can get them legally here now.

  • londnrlondnr Posts: 55
    Hi There,

    It's true that the regular heater in the Land Rover may have a problem with extreme cold, but Land Rovers have operated just about everywhere in the world and there is a solution - the Kodiak heaters were designed for arctic use and do an excellent job keeping your truck toasty.

    Without questioning the information that you have received - my reading suggests that it is a 15 year rule in Canada, so possibly you could find a newer Defender than the one you have listed, I am not 100% sure on the Canadian rule, so please double check - my research has primarily related to US cars and I came across the Canadian info during all of my reading.

    Also, the price is outrageous - $75,900 Canadian!!! Follow this link for a 1983 200Tdi in Canada for $13,500 US. It's RHD but can be converted for a nominal price. I'm not really up on the current exchange rate, even though the US dollar is stronger than the Canadian I am pretty sure that $13,500 US is nowhere near $75,900 Canadian. Here's the link:

    Good luck.
  • dandrews1dandrews1 Posts: 184
    I totally agree on the price point... it's a lot of money anywhere, but it is basically a new vehicle (VIN plate notwithstanding), that someone else has gone through the trouble of importing, converting to LHD, and detailing, etc, etc...
    Considering that I just started leasing an almost $75,000 (Canadian)LR3 HSE, if I was really into the hardcore offroading (rather than the light for-fun stuff I probably will be doing at 'safe' vendor-sponsored events) then this one would have been a serious consideration.

    Even more tempting is this little baby. A 1993 NAS Defender 110, but even better for me is that it was one of the original 25 sent to Canada.... should be really easy for me to import back here - or so I would assume?

    Right now the wife and I are still very apprehensive about the high cost of our new LR3 (This is our first luxury vehicle, and Canada has higher taxes than the US making similar-costing things harder to purchase due to the higher cost of living - even with an exchange rate calculation).

    It's possible that after we have had some time to get to know the LR3 and Land Rover as a brand, that we will consider something more rugged - and also after we decide if we are going to buy the LR3 after our lease runs its term.

    One flight of fancy is that we would like to pick up an older Porsche Boxster (or Boxster S) from the mid-to-late 90's when our current sedan dies (1997 Dodge Avenger ES).

    That would make a nice addition to the garage.. :)
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  • racer_65racer_65 Posts: 43
    The Defender got a pretty good update for 2007. Anyone like to speculate whether Defender can come back to the U.S. after Land Rover is sold by Ford?

    I'm tired of specialist dealers selling used Defenders at inflated prices. These vehicles are relatively cheap on the second hand market in the UK, but selling at Porsche prices here.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    The latest thing I got from Land Rover says there is NO PLAN to bring the current model Defender to the US market. The Defender needs a complete redesign before it will be available in the US. I guess that it would go on the T5 platform like the LR3 and Range Rover Sport but I am not sure.
  • I drive a defender 110. I haul around three boys and currently have them in car seats. Is it possible to buy headrests or a new set of seats with head restraints for a 1999 defender? I have seen the new 2007 with a middle row of seats that have head rests. Is it possible to buy just the seats and install them?
  • thepeegthepeeg Posts: 1
    Hey There,
    I'm new to forums so I'm not to sure how they work.

    I just bought a 94 D90 and love it but could use a little more power.
    Does anyone make bolt on power mods i.e. - headers/cold air intakes/throttle body spacers/superchargers/etc.
    I'm also looking for a surrey top, winch, and Emu springs.
    Also can you fit 15" wheels on the D90 - 33/12.50 r15 tires are the best all around off/on road tires I've used because of the soft side wall for grip when you air-down and on-road ride quality.
    Any help would be appreciated.
    JP Simons
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  • Amazingly, I recently asked Land Rover the same question about the Defender (less than 3 weeks ago) and their response was verbatim to the one in Post #73.

    Sucks, seeing how bad I want to buy one. The used Defenders out there are waaay to expensive for the mileage and wear they have on them. If I bought an '07 right from the Solihull Factory I could get it for about $30-40k, but then I'd have to get it to meet emissions and US safety standards. Used ones typically list about that same price and are 10+ years older.
  • Hey Gang- I just received a personal email response back from Gary Temple this morning (Mr. Temple is President of Jaguar Land Rover North America) and here are his words (or perhaps those of his secretary) in regards to a reintroduction of the Defender:

    Mr. Flickenschild, thank you for the note. I wish you happy motoring with your Land Rover and thank you for being an enthusiast and loyal customer for the Land Rover brand. We all would like to see the Defender return in our model line up for the North America market and will continue to look at our options with that model and viability for the NA market.

    Gary L. Temple
    Jaguar Land Rover North America

    That being said, it appears that the return of the Defender is still plausible and not out of the minds of the "gate keepers" here in North America. I'd rather spend $30-40k on a new Defender with low mileage and no rust rather than forking over the same or more for someone else's rusty high mileage Defender which we still all love and admire.
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