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Low End Sedans (under $16k)



  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    Isn't Car And Driver the magazine that touted the Focus for its reliability?
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    My behind is just fine, thank you. It matches my hard head. ; )
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,663
    headlights and realign them so the poor thing can see down the road better. Tee-hee-hee...just kidding. I just saw the commercial where the woman asks for this feature and then asks "How much is it?" The salesman answers "$12,094". What if I want "this or that, then how much would it be....". Same answer, "12,094," reminded me how much you get for how little money for an Elantra. I'm sure seeing a lot of Elantra GT's over here on the West Coast(Seattle area). Low resale values are not slowing down sales for either Kia's or Hyundai's. Not very much anyway.

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,618
    There was an interesting Letter to the Editor in C/D recently where the writer complained about the Focus winning C/D's 10Best award, again, despite all of its recalls and NHTSA safety actions. The response from the Editors was, to paraphrase, we don't count reliability when we name the 10Best cars. Then they went through the litany of all the recalls the Focus has had, and concluded that wasn't too bad a record. Yep, yep yep yep yep...

    BTW Major, besides the hard seat, how did you like your test of the Elantra? Our local auto show started yesterday, but I was camping with Boy Scouts all weekend so I'll have to wait awhile to check out all the beautiful, shiny, precious... ohhhh... precious! Precious! Hmm, maybe I've watched Lord of the Rings too often...
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    Nah, you [Backy] have been reading too many posts from Iluv. ; )

    My GT test drive has been sometime ago so most of the details have faded. The seat being so bad (in my opinion) makes it stand out.

    About auto shows, the more I read the more I want to attend next year's show in Detroit.
  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    I'm very fond of my Elantra, but this looks like it hits new levels. Keep bringing on those hatches. Speaking of hatches, it's interesting to note that Kia is now marketing the Rio Cinco as a hatch on its webpage. I think it was considered a hatch all along in most places other than the U.S.
  • I can't wait for the 3&5 door hatches to arrive, but others have said we'll have to wait. The sedan and wagon are going to be introduced first. Bummer. I might postpone my interest in the 6 hatch for this smaller hatch.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,618
    OK, technically the Scions are hatchbacks and not sedans, so shoot me. I just read's First Drive of the Scion xA and xB (I think they actually drove just the xB) and was amazed at the content that Toyota is putting into the cars for the money. The xA will MSRP at about $13,000 US including destination charge, and that includes A/C, power, ABS, and a 6-speaker Pioneer CD. That's less than a comparably equipped Elantra or Spectra, and even with discounting it won't cost that much more (Scion will have Saturn-like pricing policy according to Edmunds). When people can buy cars like the Scions for $13-14k with a lot of equipment and utility, with no haggling needed, and with Toyota quality, it raises two questions in my mind: 1) who will buy ECHOes, or even Corollas; and 2) what will happen to Hyundai's attempt to bump up the prices on their low-end cars? I guess there will be those people who don't want a five-door, and personally I can't stand the looks of the xB (with the "B" meaning "Box" I guess), but I think these Scions and the upcoming Honda Jazz are going to change the low-end market in a big way. Unfortunately, they won't come to my part of the country until mid-2004.
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Posts: 2,228
    While I think the Scion's price, equipment level, and no haggle policy is revolutionary and a good idea, it wouldn't make me want to buy one. Both cars are unattractive, inside and out. I would still buy a more expensive Corolla over the Scion or even a similarly priced Hyundai. Now, if Toyota would utiliize this strategy on their own cars, they would be unstoppable.
  • coolguyky7coolguyky7 Posts: 932
    The Corolla and xA are two completely different vehicles. I think both have their markets, albeit the xA a much smaller one.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,618
    The Jazz has both Scions beat. I don't think the xA is all that bad looking, meaning if it is a good car otherwise I would consider buying one. The xB, nope, no way.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    people who would like the looks of a corolla would never buy an xA, and vice versa. Ultra-conservative versus moderately out-there!

    The xB is the more polarizing of the two, a far as I am concerned. I don't know if Element is selling that well, but look out, here comes a competitor. I sort of like the funky looks, but not enough to buy one probably.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331 be a low end car enthusiast. Lot of interesting cars will soon be coming to market.

    I have to admit that as much as I love my Echo, I am starting to get the new car fever, but with over 60,000 miles on the Major in slightly over two years, can you blame me? No real problems except the horn going out and it is not a blown fuse. The car will be going into the shop Saturday.

    Even though it is out of the low end price category, I had considered the Dodge Neon SRT-4 until I read the write up in the latest issue of Car And Driver. The SRT-4 came in first during a comparison, but they said the car was not all that comfortable and returned only 14mpg. Would be quite a change going to that from a car that gets almost three times that.

    I am also thinking about a Suzuki Aerio, but equipped in such a way that would push it above of our arbitrary $15,000 ceiling. By that I mean a Suzuki Aerio with AWD and ABS. Yes, in yellow.

    One coming soon car that has caught my eye (on strictly a visual basis) is the Chevrolet Aveo sedan nee Daewoo Kalos. I really like the overall look of the car although I don't like what appears to be a downward curve on the doors. Looks out of place. I also wonder what the tail looks like as the only pictures I have seen are from the side or front. One thing I don't like is the placement of the gas filler door. It is on the passenger side while the Echo's is on the driver's. Makes it easier to judge if you are in the right spot to stop to fill up.

    Of course, there is always getting a new Echo.

    I guess the best thing to do would be to get my current car paid off before getting a new car. But if I have the old one paid off, I could always save up on a down payment and keep the Major and buy a new car.
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    I think I posted about how my roommate won a travel bag from Hyundai at our local auto show, but just thought I would let you know that she still has not received the promised knife or corkscrew. Neither of which they could give her then due to security reasons.

    I did get something in the mail from Hyundai though. I just need to take a test drive of any Hyundai before May 15th and I get a $50 Sharper Image gift card. I think I am going to test drive a Elantra GT sedan if it is out. If not out or not available, I am going to going with the Elantra sedan with an automatic transmission.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    if you like the new Aveo hatch, the Scion xA we were referencing earlier should be right up your alley! Look for some pictures on-line - the NY auto show has a website that has some pictures right now.

    And it is going to sell for $13K w/ CD and A/C, and power windows/locks...

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    I read that C&D comparison too. The Neon kicks some serious butt, but it only gets 14 mpg. What's the point of having a 4 cylinder if you're only going to get 14 mpg?

    I'd rather get a Mustang GT that gets better mileage, isn't a Neon, sounds better, and is just as worthless in the winter as a Neon with 245 lbs-ft of torque and Z-rated tires. The Mustang will almost certainly be more durable. The Neon SRT seems like a good deal until you put it up against a Mustang.
  • muffin_manmuffin_man Posts: 865
    The Neon will do better than 14mpg if you stay out of the turbo. That was 14mpg under hard driving.

    I don't think a Mustang would be any more reliable, but it would be worse in the winter w/ rear wheel drive.
  • If you like your Echo so much, why not keep it longer? You can't beat that mileage. Also why would you want to have 2 cars in the same class? If you absolutely have to get the new car within a year, I would second that Scion xA would be a right car for you. On paper and looks like improved Echo.
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    I think the Mustang will be more reliable and more durable. The natuarally aspirated V8 in the Mustang doesn't work very hard to make the power it does and it has been proven in taxi cabs, police cars, and trucks. The Neon has a hard working, force fed, Chrysler 4 banger. Engine wise, it's a no-brainer to me. The drivetrain in the Mustang is also a much more sturdy design. We're talking RWD with a solid rear axle vs. FWD with half-shaft twigs. Again, no brainer. As far as the winter is concerned, both cars are going to need winter tires. A Mustang does fine with winter tires.

    As far as 14 mpg being because of hard driving, I don't doubt that, but my 91' Mustang 5.0L got 14 mpg when it was being driven hard. The new 4.6Ls in the Mustangs get better mileage than my old 5.0L. Why drive a 4 cyl that gets 14 mpg when you can drive a V8 that gets the same or better mileage? The V8 sounds MUCH better. On top of that, I'd rather be in a Mustang than a Neon.

    As far as insurance rates are concerned, I guarantee that the insurance companies aren't sleeping on the Neon SRT. Both cars are going to be spendy.
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    I don't like the looks of the Aveo hatch. I like the looks of the Aveo sedan. There are very few hatches that I like the looks of in fact.

    Regarding the 14mpg of the Neon and getting better gas mileage if you don't drive it so hard, what is the point of having so much power if you don't drive it hard.

    And having so much power is why I would be willing to lay aside other factors.
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