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Low End Sedans (under $16k)

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  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,746
    The Yaris LE sedan with automatic (more comparable to the Accent GLS than the Yaris "S" model IMO) goes for about $12.5k. Let's say $13k because I'm not sure the prices in that press release included destination. An Accent with that equipment (including A/C) goes for $14,600. But then you need to add side bags/curtains and ABS to the Yaris. I am betting those options will not come to $1600. I could be wrong, of course. Another way to look at it is that the fully loaded Accent, with power package, is about $15.3k. To match that, the Yaris LE sedan would need to offer ABS, side bags/curtains, and power package for $2300. I think that is in the realm of possibility.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,746
    The Yaris won't ship until the end of February, so realistically I don't see those rebates coming on the Rio until at least March, maybe April. Why offer them before they need to?
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    From what I understand, there is actually no CE and LE Yaris as orginally expected, but point taken. I still see the loaded Accent at 15.3K and expect the Yaris base Sedan with similar options (alloys, power accesories, ABS, fold down rear seat, side curtains, etc) to be more expensive. Should be interesting!

    ~alpha
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,746
    Let's see (add-on prices based on those of the Corolla):

    Yaris Sedan with automatic: $12,550
    Destination charge: $ 580
    Side airbags/curtains: $ 655
    ABS $ 390
    Power package $ 470
    15" alloy wheels $ 499
    TOTAL $15,144

    Accent GLS with automatic: $13,305
    Destination charge: $ 540
    Premium Sport package: $ 1,420
    TOTAL $15,265

    And that assumes there is no package offered on the Yaris that bundles several options at a lower price. Even adding a little for a fold-down rear seat on the Yaris, it's going to be close. And with Toyota's historically better resale value and the better fuel economy of the Yaris, it will be a no-brainer for the Yaris price-wise--unless Hyundai piles on the rebates.
  • Well, fact is in the Philippines, Diesel fuel is significantly lower than Gasolines. A liter of diesel fuel here is Php 31.47 or about $0.60, a gallon here would mean US$2.27 (3.78 liters in a gallon). So too bad we have rock bottom prices.
  • pzevpzev Posts: 807
    Saw this on another forum. I think the power package has the convenience package bundled in since it's required to get the power package. In that press release/newsletter or whatever where this comes from the MSRP pricing still doesn't mention a destination charge included so count on an extra $600 or so to the MSRP prices everyone has seen.

    Vehicle Transmission MSRP*
    Liftback Convenience Package M/T & A/T $ 630
    Liftback Power Package** M/T & A/T $ 1,290
    Sedan Convenience Package M/T & A/T $ 750
    Sedan or Sedan S Power Package** M/T $ 1,710
    Sedan or Sedan S Power Package** A/T $ 1,785
    *Dealer margins for the above packages will be 10%
    **Power package price above includes required 15” steel wheel upgrade (Accessory SV)
  • pzevpzev Posts: 807
    The pricing is fair but most people will want a CD player and rear window defogger so the convience package is a must for most people. Using the sedan automatic example that's $750 dollars right there. Add in $600 (estimated) for destination charge and you're at another $1350 right there.

    The power package has the cruise control a lot of people want so they may have to step up to the $1785 package. This package also has the tachometer for the automatic version if someone wants that. It does have ABS bundled as well but is that offered seperately like the side curtain airbags?

    My problem is even after getting the power package you still apparently don't have remote keyless entry, engine immobilizer, or some sort of alarm system. You also don't have side curtain airbags on that $14,900 (estimated) sedan automatic with power package.
  • sedan and not the 5-door "hatchwagon", right? Saying that's true, I have decided that I don't like the Yaris 4-door sedan that Toyota is shipping to America. It does the warmed-over, sporty up-tempo Corolla thing way too much to me.

    As far as 2006 Kia Rio rebates go, I don't think I'd hold up and wait until March or April for them. I will see how many discounts I can score in early February and how I do at getting those will determine whether I trade or hold. I'm thinking my local Kia dealer will be in the mood to haggle in a win-win sort of manner, much like Jerry Smith Chev-Buick-Kia did for me in 1999 and 2001 back in Burlington, WA.

    My local Kia dealer has a Tropical Red Rio5 in 5-speed form, a Rio LX in Sapphire Blue and a Rio LX in Silver, both in 5-speeds. I'm leaning towards the Rio LX but haven't decided for sure yet.

    2011 Kia Soul Sport 5-speed

  • mtngalmtngal Posts: 1,911
    And I was surprised. They looked smaller than I was expecting, especially the 2 door (3 door?) hatch. My 6' husband got in a Rio, Accent and Yaris and was really cramped in the first 2 (they looked bigger outside). The Yaris seem to have more leg room, and while they might look smaller outside, I don't think they are smaller inside. They are certainly nicer than the Echos were, and they had 40 mpg as the EPA highway mileage. Not too bad at all.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,746
    But not a low-end car. Since it is going to take many months for all the new low-end cars to roll out, and there won't be crash test results or most likely major discounts on many of them (particularly Fit, Versa, and Yaris) for a long time, and my family needs another set of wheels in the next month or so, I decided to buy a "bridge" car, a 2000 Mazda 626, to tide me over for the next year or two until this market stabilizes. Hopefully by that time these new low-end cars will be selling in volume so there will be decent discounts/rebates, and we'll know how good the crash protection is. If those two things don't pan out, then I'll have some other alternatives such as the all-new '07 Elantra, the Sonata, the Mazda3 (nearing the end of its generational life span, so maybe discounts/rebates will be more plentiful), a new Sentra and Corolla, and others. Meanwhile, I'll have a lot of fun over the next year driving and sizing up all the new low-end cars. I want to take my time and make the right decision on this next new car, because I'll be driving it for 5-6 years and then will pass it on to my daughter for college.
  • It sounds like the Yaris is well into Corolla pricing territory. Very similar to the the Rio/Spectra and Accent/Elantra current situation. I suppose that will be the case until the next redesign of the Corolla/Elantra/Spectra to move them further up the ladder in terms of size and price.

    Personally, I'm not a huge Yaris fan (but that 3-door is awfully cute) but if I had to choose between it and a Corolla for the same price, I'd take the Yaris hands down. The fact that I despise the Corolla would be the main factor in that decision.

    What about the announcement today that the Fit will start at $13k including A/C and the basics? The only obstacle for the Fit will be it's 5-door only bodystyle. Toyota is smart to go with a 3-door on the Yaris and Hyundai would be wise to get the 3-door Accent on the market ASAP. I think Toyota would do quite well with the 5-door version of the Yaris as it's better looking than the 4-door sedan, IMO.
  • I'm a little confused by those Yaris prices only because the Convenience Package is standard on the "S" model, so shouldn't the Power Package be cheaper for the "S" than the base?

    FYI, if anyone doesn't want to search for the info, here's what the packages include-

    Convenience Package- AM/FM CD w/four speakers, MP3/WMA capability and AUX jack, folding rear seat, 15-inch wheels with wheel covers and rear defroster (shocked a rear defog isn't standard)

    Power Package (requires Conv Pkg)- Power windows, mirrors and locks, ABS, cruise control, upgraded interior trim, tachometer on AT cars (MT have tach standard).

    Individual options (no prices)-
    15" Alloy wheels
    Keyless entry
    Rear spoiler
    Fog lamps

    Apparently they are bundling options together and Toyota does have a history of creating "Special Value Packages" that are actually an exceptional deal for the consumer. They usually offer a lot of equipment for the price. For example, on the Corolla S the Extra Value Package costs $900 and includes cruise, power windows and locks, rear spoiler, alloy wheels.

    I think the $10,950 (including A/C) Liftback model is going to be a HUGE hit! As I said in a previous post, Hyundai needs to get their Accent 3-door here ASAP!
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,746
    A five-door Fit an obstacle? IMO that will be one of the biggest selling points of the car. It offers a lot of versatility in a small package.

    Are the side bags included in any packages, or offered stand-alone?

    The Accent GS and GSi are due out this spring (I think I read March someplace), so they won't trail the Yaris by much if at all.
  • That may not have come across the way I intended. I simply meant that lack of a 4-door sedan bodystyle may limit sales. Americans aren't the most receptive to hatchback bodystyles, particularly 4-door hatchbacks so I don't think it will appeal to as many buyers as if they also offered a version with a trunk. I'm sure it will still sell well. After all, it is a Honda.

    If anyone can vouch for the inherent practicality and versatility of a 5-door, it would be me. I chose the 5-door Mazda3 over its 4-door companion. I guess we'll soon know how many other buyers out there will do the same.

    On that subject, it'd be very interesting to see Mazda3 sales broken down into bodystyles. I haven't been able to find anything like that, though.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    you pay for both packages at Toyota if one requires the other. The power package does not include the items in the convenience package, it just can't be ordered on a car WITHOUT the convenience package. I wonder personally if any dealers will order any Yaris's without anything optional. I could see people wanting an $11K Toyota that has A/C and gets 40 to the gallon. The stereo would be no big deal for someone that is planning to sub in an aftermarket stereo anyway.

    Right now I am obsessing on the expense involved in getting a Yaris with a tach. Minimum price is around $14K, I would guess, and unavailable at all in the hatch, so you have to buy the sedan to get one. I gotta have a tach.

    Do any of these cars besides the Fit have a standard tach in base form?

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • That does stink about the tach, especially one not available on the hatch. I've always wondered how much they save by not making one standard, especially cars that have a different gauge layout with and without it. It seems like it'd simplify the build process making it standard. I suppose that isn't the case, though.

    I was looking at the Ford Focus last summer when it was crazy cheap due to "Family Pricing". I was never seriously considering it, but wanted to see what $12k would get me at the Ford dealer. It amazed me that most of the Focus SE sedans didn't have a tach. The only way to get it on those is to pay $475 for the "Sport Package" that include alloys, leather wrapped steering wheel and fog lamps. I even ran across one oddball that stickered over $18k, had power sunroof and the Sony Audiophile but NO tach. Crazy.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,746
    Most of them have a tach standard: Fit, Accent, Rio for sure. I can't recall if the Versa has one. I'm pretty sure the Aveo does.
  • steine13steine13 Posts: 2,413
    Real men shift by ear... in fact, I'm so used to not having a tach that it is virtually useless to me.

    But when I unwisely crank the stereo so that I can't properly hear the engine, I sometimes get in trouble.

    I would not let lack of a tachometer dissuade me from any car... if it is imporant to you I would argue that at $14, a Vibe or Matrix is a better choice. No 40 mpg, but a lot more car.

    -Mathias
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,746
    There's also the low-tech but effective 15-25-35-45 approach (add 5 mph for a little extra oomph).
  • Yep, I had to use that technique in my '91 Civic DX. No tach, no power steering....talk about basic.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    Oh, I totally agree, in fact the Echo I bought doesn't have a tach. I just feel it's STINGY of the manufacturer not to put one in. That is so 1985. Plus, it's another one of those things where I have to wonder just how much it costs to put in, in a model that has an alternate design for higher trims that include the tach. How much could it POSSIBLY cost? That crosses the line from reasonable base equipment level to chintzy, IMO.

    As for the Echo, it practically shifts itself, so I don't miss the tach at all, except on principle.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • The way I look at it, in a world where every Buick has a tachometer, anything with a manual shifter should have one. Then again, Buicks cost a lot more than the cars we're talking about, too.

    Come to think of it, even the '05 Civic DX and VP didn't have one. Did I read somewhere that the Toyota Yaris Liftback won't be available with one or just that it isn't standard?
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    yeah, you can't get a tach in the Yaris hatch. Yet, in the sedan with MT, which costs less than $1000 more, it is standard! And can be added to auto-trans sedans by purchasing the power package.

    I forgot that the low-end Civics didn't have a tach before. I wonder if they do now. They don't have A/C and a radio, but a tach is standard?! :-P

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I forgot that the low-end Civics didn't have a tach before. I wonder if they do now. They don't have A/C and a radio, but a tach is standard?!

    All Civics now include a tachometer in its "Two-Tier Instrument Panel".
  • I wouldn't call it being a Kia hater because someone doesn't like the less than decent crash tests and stuff like that... It seems like the cars are a good deal for how much they cost, but you really do get what you pay for.
    Is everyone forgetting about long term reliability? How does a Kia hold up when the odometer hits 100k?
  • I'll answer that, as my 2001 Kia Sportage 4x4 just passed the 100K mark. In fact, I now have 107,409 miles on it and it is running very strong.

    I just changed out it's OEM Hankook SUV tires at 102,000 miles, and, yes, I still had tread on them. They were not a safety hazard at replacement time, as some on this website insisted. I have yet to burn a single lightbulb out on my Sportage 4x4.

    The little truck has helped me get out of the ice spinnies 3 or 4 times already in Missouri and Idaho. The automatic hubs for the 4WD have performed flawlessly.

    The SUV has been very affordable to keep maintained and/or repaired. The dollar amount I've paid for repairs and maintenace, if averaged out over 12 months is astoundingly low.

    Kia makes sound cars, vans and SUV's. They re built to last and they do last. I'm fixin' to get my third new Kia here in a few weeks.

    2011 Kia Soul Sport 5-speed

  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    you're getting a new Rio, right? Are you getting the 5, or the sedan?

    I am curious on a personal note to hear what you end up paying for it, in order to make a mental comparison with the Honda Fit, which will be pretty well-equipped (and will have all the safety features) at $13K for a stick.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • Why does everyone have such negative things to say? Probably people who own something else or got a lemon... Or maybe because the price is so low (it would make sense to think it because of that)... I really like the looks of the new Spectra but would need a little more proof before I ever got one. Most ratings are too biased ("only buy honda or toyota") to trust.
  • Monkey:

    Nothing negative here to say or read on my 2004.5 Spectra EX.
    Best car I've owned (at least for the first 18k miles / 1.5 years) in 25 years of driving.

    Check out the specifics at: http://spectraman.freeservers.com

    I say GO FOR IT! :-)

    -SM
  • a new Kia purchase, men. I have loved both of mine and, yes, I am planning on trading in our 2001 Kia Sportage 4x4 on a new 2006 Kia Rio LX sedan in a few weeks.

    I don't have to trade so if a deal I like can't be made I'll just walk out and hold onto my Sportage 4x4. I will get a new college grad $400 discount and a $500 Owner's Loyalty Rebate off of the Rio LX's $13,055 price and Kia Sportage 4x4 SUV's hold their value better than Kia cars so I should get a good trade in and selling price that I will be fine with.

    I'll let y'all know what I end up doing. I just want the Rio LX's 32/35 gas mileage for what looks like will be an expensive gas year for the U.S. throughout 2006. Sub-$2.00/gal ghastly may be hard to find as the year progresses.

    As for buying a new Kia and being nervous about it-don't get jittery. It's well worth it-Kia's are great cars-they're not just good cars. I'm hooked. :P

    2011 Kia Soul Sport 5-speed

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