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Low End Sedans (under $16k)



  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    I'll let you know what they say.
  • muffin_manmuffin_man Posts: 865
    My long reply got erased, so I will summarize.

    You're right about fuel economy. I really want to test drive an Aveo to see how it compares to the xB, I've only sat in one up until this point.

    We need to come up with some hard and fast rules about what qualified as an xB and Aveo competitor. Upright 5-door wagon? What makes them different from other wagons? Distance from c-pillar to rear window?
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Not sure what you mean by that, but none of your posts have been deleted. Hope we don't have a glitch somewhere.
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    My trip to the auto show is later today unless I can score some tickets to Art Garfunkel which would mean the auto show gets pushed back to Sunday. I will try to post my impressions on Monday.
  • grandtotalgrandtotal Posts: 1,207
    A glitch? The site is full of them. Every topic I view today says it is - READ ONLY and created by me.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,675
    grandtotals comments above. It says 'Read Only' atthe top of every thread and that I created them, when I didn't create them. Also, I went to edit one of my posts in the 'Chevrolet Aveo-sedans'thread and it told me that it couldn't trace the source of the post, or something like that. It didn't say 'Guest' at the top but it said my nickname, too. I don't know what's going on but there's something a bit awry. With the Aveo post I wanted to edit and it wouldn't let me, I just deleted it and re-posted my revised thought. FYI. Hope this helps explain the problem and doens't muddy it firther!

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,675
    here we go again. See my post above and the grammatical errors in the first line? I tried to select 'edit' and go in and fix them. It comes back with a message about 'Could not locate message-pathname is not valid'. Something's awry all right. My name and nickname show up above like usual but it still says that this is a 'Read Only' thread and that I created this thread, which I did not. Whattup?

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Yeah, I'm having all the same issues - it's been reported and is being looked at.

    But this isn't the same thing as someone thinking their post was erased ...
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    The issues that some have been having with seeing the discussions as created by themselves and titled READ-ONLY, and not being able to edit their own messages appear to have been corrected. If anyone else is still having a problem, please report it in the Our Software dicussion. Thanks!
  • muffin_manmuffin_man Posts: 865
    ...but actually I erased my own post by being stupid enough to not dump my AOL subscription and subsequently getting knocked offline.
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    Back from the auto show, but the comments about the cars on my list will have to wait as I really need to get home.

    I will say that the car that impressed me the most, the one that made my mouth fall open when I saw it was not a sedan. It was the new Dodge Magnum. Very nice modern re telling of the station wagon.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    I am wrapping up a two-week business trip to Hong Kong, Singapore, and Melbourne tomorrow. It's fun seeing all the small cars available in other lands that are not available in the U.S. From the looks of it, Toyota is cleaning up in these locales, especially HK and Singapore. All the taxis in Hong Kong and most of those in Singapore are Toyota Crowns. Tons of Yarises, Corollas (with different front and rear styling than in the U.S.), and other small models not seen in the U.S. While not a small car, I thought the Previa minivan was really good looking, with sleek, modern lines--about the size of a MPV. Wish Toyota still imported the Previa to the U.S. Second most popular make seemed to be a toss-up between Honda (lots of Jazzes and Civics), Hyundai (lots of Getzes, Accents, and Matrixes), and Mitsubishi. I thought the Getz was a sharp-looking little 5-door hatchback--wish that were imported here too. I don't know how Hyundai gets away with calling their tall wagon "Matrix"--or maybe they had the name before Toyota. Mercedes Benz is very popular in Singapore as a luxury make, but with smaller engines, e.g. E200 vs. E320 or larger. Saw a lot of A-Class cars. I saw almost no SUVs until I got to Melbourne, but there were some small ones, especially CR-Vs.

    In Melbourne it's mostly Holdens, Fords (e.g. Falcons), and the usual mix of Toyotas, Mazdas, and the rest. The cars are generally larger than in Singapore and Hong Kong.

    One thing about buying a car in Singapore: you first need to buy a certificate that allows you to buy a car. The certificate costs almost as much as the car! Needless to say, lots of people use the excellent mass-transit system rather than own a car. The result is that even during rush-hour, the traffic didn't seem too bad. The taxis have bells that go off if the drivers exceed 100 kph. The drivers don't seem to mind the incessant ringing, but it got on my nerves a little. In both Singapore and Hong Kong, taxi fares are quite low, so using taxis to get around is feasible. There's also buses, ferries (Hong Kong), and trains (HK and Singapore).

    Have to get to bed, and get ready for 18 hours in the air tomorrow.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    Notes on low-end cars from the Greater Twin Cities Auto Show:

    * Best car for least money: Aveo 5-door. Surprising passenger room and comfort, and interesting styling; available for under $8500 with current incentives.

    * Best interior: Kia Spectra LX. Very upscale interior, especially in tan, with high-quality materials and two-tone color treatment. Less plasticky than the Mazda3, which also has a classy interior for a (barely) low-end car.

    * Best exterior styling: Mazda3i. Looks like a 3 Series for 1/2 the price.

    * Best value: Hyundai Elantra GLS. 138 hp VVT engine, comfortable and roomy interior, smooth controls, clear displays, SABs, remote locking/alarm, and full power all for under $11k with current incentives (including $500 Auto Show rebate).

    * Most unique (tie): Scion xA and xB. Teenagers and 20-somethings were swarming all over them. Looks like Toyota hit its target market.

    Some other notable low-end and near-low-end cars there were:

    * Chevy Cobalt: exterior is pretty bland, but the interior looks sharp and a huge step above the Cavalier.

    * Elantra GT: just misses the low-end cutoff, but a huge bargain; fully loaded with automatic, moonroof, ABS/traction, MP3, alloys, leather is under $15k with current incentives. Almost as roomy (and in some cases roomier) than midsized hatchbacks like the Prius and Mazda6.

    * Kia Spectra: a huge step above the old Spectra inside and out, but not a great value IMO. The LX is just a little less than the Elantra GLS but has no A/C or power windows/locks/mirrors. It does have four-wheel disc brakes and side bags/curtains however. No hatchback on display--won't be for sale for a couple of months yet according to the Kia rep at the show.

    * Suzuki Forenza S: an appealing car styling-wise, and lots of passenger room and features for the money. Too bad powertrain doesn't match the rest of the car.
  • grandtotalgrandtotal Posts: 1,207
    Most unique (tie): Scion xA and xB. Teenagers and 20-somethings were swarming all over them. Looks like Toyota hit its target market.

    It's one thing to have 20-somethings swarming over your product, it's another for them to put their hands in their pockets and buy one. I hope for Toyota's sake they do. If they don't Toyota will just try again with something different. Anybody know what sales of Scions are like where they are already on sale?
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Are exceeding expectations, and within the brand, the xB is outselling the xA by slightly better than two to one. I'm not sure about the demographic distribution, but I believe I recall reading that its much younger than the 'Toyota' buyer, but above the super-low 20s that Toyota originally targeted.

  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    I have to agree with Backy on his thoughts about the new Spectra. I came away with the impression that the interior was very upscale and a huge step up from the old Spectre. One drawback was that it still had that same old smell.

    I thought the Mazda3 looked great until you got to the backend. The placement of the center brake light just looked wrong.

    I did see the Aveo five door and was sorry to see that there was not an Aveo sedan to take a look at. I don't recall seeing the Cobalt, but from what I have seen in pictures, the sides remind me of the Cavalier while the front and back look to have an Integra influence.

    At my autoshow too, there were a lot of younger people swarming around the Scion display. There were a number of people my age too. I hope the Scions succeed because if I decide to keep the Major and tune him, the success of the Scions should mean there will be upgrades for them that I can use on him.

    Foremost in my mind is still the SRT-4. If I get one, I will get yellow with no sunroof and the R/T seats.

    Does anyone know if GM is going to do the driving tour this year?
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    There have been no posts since mine back on the 22nd which is nine days ago. I wonder why this board is not more popular because a lot of people drive low end cars and I wonder if it is the name.

    Perhaps we should change the name to Entry Level Autos: Japanese vs. (you know the rest).
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    Maybe offer a $50 coupon for the next 10 posters? ;-)

    Although low-end, or entry-level, cars are popular, I wonder if the majority of devotees are after the big and/or fast iron. Maybe we could get more interest in a board named "Big SUVs Over $30k."
  • 280hp280hp Posts: 36
    For the same price s a japanese or german, they seem 2 b able 2 deliver more value.

    the aveo is ok. hate the spectra.

    favourite is accent.

    if i were in australia and knew how 2 drive a right hand drive car, i'd pick the ford falcon v8 s my favurite low end car. the price for the base model after discounts converts back 2 less than 20k usd, and, imho, is a low end bmw 5 v8 wannab.
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