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Low End Sedans (under $16k)



  • lleroilleroi Posts: 112
    the leasing logic-i'm not sure how the numbers would work out.There seem to be arguments both ways on the high miles car.Ive just never had much luck squeezing big dollars out of high mileage cars.I'm guessing a Honda or Toyota dealer will wholesale these cars and make a low trade in offer-considering the price diff to begin with I'm not sure there would be an advantage.
  • zigliflerziglifler Posts: 99
    no i said 50% after 2 years sucks . your the one that brought resale into it . 54% , 55% whats it matter . at close to 50% lose it sucks period .
    and yes if your car has little to no options on it the resale is gonna suck no matter what the maker is on the most part .

    dude sometimes it is best to drop things because all your doing is showing how narrowminded you are on the subject . get off it already
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,621
    with lleroi on resale. It's a bigger issue for the owner who puts few miles on a car and trades every 2-4 years. And these are typical leasing candidates. For them, if they don't plan on buying the car at the end of the lease, it makes more sense to buy a car with the highest possible resale value, which should equate to the highest residual value and the lowest payments. Case in point: recent ads in my local paper for Civic DXs for $99/month with about $1800 total cash up front, for a 36 month lease. Accord LXs were $199/month. The residual (not advertised) is probably hideous, but it's a low payment if you want a new car every 3 years.

    If you check out's TCOs, you'll see the biggest differences in depreciation in the first year. Owners of Korean cars and some others get killed in the first year, then after that the differences aren't as big, such that the five-year TCOs are pretty close to cars with higher resale values. So Korean cars are not a good value if you intend to keep one for only a year or two or three.
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    I sold my Escort a couple of months back and it had over 150,000 miles on it. I have no idea what I could have gotten for it. I just know what I did sell it for and that was very little. I did so because I have the Echo and I sold the Escort to a farm hand employed by my mother and stepfather.
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    If I could ignore my desire for high quality and ignore my desire for great fuel economy numbers, I could see myself buying an Aerio GS, but how easy would it be to change the things I don't like?

    I think it would be pretty easy to swap one gear shift knob with another, but how easy would it be to swap the rubber boot surrounding the gear shift lever for a leather one?

    I dislike the orange over red tail light covers. How hard would it be to buy after market light covers that are red over orange and change the wiring so that the appropriate portion of the tail light comes on at the appropriate time?
  • freddy_kfreddy_k Posts: 376
    How do you reconfiger the interior so that the seat isn't in such a horrable position? Am I the only one who fount the odd seat up high, steering wheel down low configuration rather bus like?
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    I did not notice that. But that brings up a question. Given the increase in "tall sedans" is anyone making racing seats for these cars that can be easily swapped for the seats presently in a "tall sedan?"
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Posts: 2,228
    If you find the Aerio's seat position odd, you ought to really hate the Matrix's seat position. I drove one over the weekend and decided to mark it off my list. I love the Matrix from a styling standpoint and its roomy and the seats comfortable, but good lord, what were they thinking with the driving position and driving feel? The steering wheel might as well be directly attached to the instrument pod considering how short the the actual column is. The gear shift is too far away for those with short arms (I don't buy the usefulness of center dash mounted shifters), but the pedals are too close. My legs felt a little scrunched up when positioned to reach the steering wheel and gear shift comfortably. The large dash combined with the short windshield and large A pillars made the view out seem confined. Driving it honestly felt like piloting around a 4000 pound minivan with firm shocks. It just felt a lot bigger then what it was. The chrome accents were irritating me under full sun, not to mention they made snapping sounds when you touched them and there was a rattle coming from the center of the dash (very un-Toyotalike).
    Anyway, back to the Aerio's driving position. The Aerio is the opposite of the Matrix. The steering column is long, the shifter is properly placed, the A pillars are out of the way, the dash design is slim and non-confining, and the windshield is large. I find the Aerio's driving position to be great! The steering wheel does appear to be out of place, with how it protrudes so far from such a small instrument pod, but in actuality, it seems high enough to me in relation to the seat and we are the same size (I'm 5'6", 120#). I think I have my car search narrowed down to the Protege5, Aerio SX, Tiburon, and Lancer OZ. Decisions, decisions....
  • shriqueshrique Posts: 338

    I know personally of the vehicles that you listed I would choose the P5...of course I already did. I know that if I can find a comfortable seating postion in that car anyone can. I have a long back, short legs and I'm not particularly svelt.

    I agree with you on the Matrix seating position. Considering it's a taller car they shouldn't have had the dash so close to the driver. It feels really confining. I've sat in all the other cars i just havn't driven them. The Aerio I was not too impressed with of course I don't like digital dashes much but that's my opinion. The Tiburon isn't my style. The Lancer I know nothing about except for specifications. IMHO I think the P5 is the prettiest in a boy-racer kind of way.

    The June Car & Driver has a good comparo with the Matrix XRS, Vibe (not GT), Aerio SX, Protege5 and the Focus ZX5. ( I think I got them all) It's got good statistical information on them all.
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    I thought you already had a Lancer OZ. Are you thinking about getting another one?

    Regarding the C&D comparo, the Aerio SX came in last while the Protege5 came in first. There was a sixth participant and it was the PT Cruiser.
  • freddy_kfreddy_k Posts: 376
    Is the Matrix a Pontiac, or is the Vibe a Toyota?
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    the vibe is a Toyota.
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Posts: 2,228
    Yea, I'm considering getting another Lancer OZ. This time it would be black with a 5 speed. My current one is silver with an automatic. I drove the 5 speed and absolutely loved how it drove. The shifter had a nice feel to it and the clutch was very smooth. I already know I like the car's looks and performance. The only thing hindering my decision is the pronounced non-adjustable lumbar in the driver's seat. It's a bit too uncomfortable for me. I have some concerns with the Protege5. My friend has a 00 Protege LX, and while it's been reliable, the dash looks a tad outdated (the steering wheel on the 5 is awesome however, as are the white gauges) and the engine isn't the smoothest idling unit. His also seems rather bouncy on the highway, which is the downside to the sporty handling. I have also heard a lot of complaints from Protege5 owners of lots of wind noise and annoying rattles. But I definitely think the Protege5 looks bitchin :)
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    You spent that much, were seemingly concerned with performance, and you got a manual? Man, what were you thinking? If you are putting up with the Lancer's seats now, wouldn't the seats in the manual Lancer be the same?
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    The Aerio GS will soon be available as front wheel drive and all wheel drive. If a person was going to buy an Aerio with the intention of tuning it, which set up (FWD or AWD) would make for a better base to use?
  • shriqueshrique Posts: 338
    The wind noise seems to mainly be from that roof rack they included. Once you take it off it's pretty quiet. I know personaly I haven't had any rattles on my car.
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Posts: 2,228
    Remember, I drive the Hyundai Accent. I only drive the Lancer occassionally. When I bought the Lancer, I was very limited in my choices. The 000 deal is only good on those Mitsus on the dealer's lot. There was only 1 OZ on the lot and it had an automatic (in fact there were no Lancers with a stick on the lot), which thrilled my partner. If I had my way, I wouldn't have bought anything but a stick, but this time I didn't get my way. Yes, the seats are the same. That's why I'm not completely sure I want to get another Lancer. I like the back of the seat to be flat; I HATE lumbar support and I don't understand why they didn't offer an adjustable one, like my cheap Hyundai has. Hyundai seems to make some of the most comfortable seats, even though they are firm. If I can get another Lancer under the 000 deal, I think I can overlook the lumbar problem though. Not having to pay for 2 new cars for so long gives me lots of time to pay off some bills (yes yes, I know I would be way upside down by the time I start paying, but oh well).
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    Simple solution. Just rip the seat out of your Hyundai and put it in your Mitsu. ; )
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    Lng, don't know if you read this magazine or not, but the latest issue of Import Tuner magazine discloses that they will be buying and tuning a Suzuki Aerio SX. Just thought you might like to know.
  • freddy_kfreddy_k Posts: 376

    Can't wait to see it!
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