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Volvo XC90 - MSRPVolvo XC70 - MSRPLand Rover Disco - MSRPAudi Allroad - $2753 over invoiceBMW X5 - $3099 over invoiceNissan Murano - MSRPLexus RX300 - $3865 over invoice
And some popular domestic "TMV" numbers:
Ford Explorer - $404 over invoiceJeep Grand Cherokee - $417 over invoiceCadillac Escalade - $919 over invoiceFord Expedition - $412 over invoiceDodge Durango - $525 over invoiceGMC Envoy - $750 over invoice
So, all the imports sell at or near MSRP, even the venerable and/or soon to be replaced models like RX300 and XC70.
All the domestics sell for Invoice +, including the brand new and/or very hot models such as the Escalade and Expedition.
Reminder: Buick sells over 5000 RDV's each month, not 4000.
hopeitsfriday, you have cited "Buick's poor reliability records" twice now. The JD Power surveys I have seen indicate Buick has a record of high reliability going back at least 7 years (the 1998 JD Power "long-term durability" survey is the oldest that I have seen). Here is a link to the JD Power surveys:
Take a look at Initial Quality, Long-term Durability, Customer Satisfaction, Sales Satisfaction, and Service Satisfaction, to name five. They are ALL consistently at the top of the ratings.
If I am wrong about Buick, I'd really like to know. Could you please link me to the data you are using that indicates Buick's problematic history?
* inferior AWD system* lacking interior space* sub-standard transmission* poor quality/reliability* missing luxury features* low sales* non "green" engine* $33,000 price tag* non-enthusiast nature
I remember when you said, "When one doesn't know all the fact, he or she just comes off as ignorance."
I couldn't have said it better myself (OK, maybe a little better).
It was fun, though.
BTW, It's good to "hear" from you again. I don't post too often anymore, but you are almost a ghost.
I just hit 25K after our 3000+ mile Seattle-San Diego-Seattle road trip last month. Mountains, ice, snow, rain, sunshine, and back again...it was "all good."
How's Gamera doing?
To fedlawman and montreid: I do agree with one of the statement you guys made, the fact that I should test drive the RDV before I pass judgment. Being a man of my own words, I will try to test drive one this weekend or next. And I will post my option of it. I want to apologize for some of the remarks I have made in the prior inserts. Its just that I am a very passionate car guys and like fedlawman, I find debating a lot of fun. By the way fedlawman, the only things on that list you claim I said, I have actually stated only the last 2 items. Let me start a new debate, The four best SUV on the market right now 30K to 50K range. These are not in any particular order. BMW X5, Acura MDX, Volvo XC90 and Lincoln Aviator. With Volkswagon Touareg and Porsche Cayenne on the horizon.
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