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http://www.alldata.com/tsb/Toyota/1140076800000_1141718400000_ST001-06/11.html
good luck.
Thanks for the alert.
John
I just got into an accident that seemed to be caused by my antilock brakes.
I was going 45ish on a side road and the person in front of me just stopped short at an intersection without signalling.
I stood on the brakes and they acted like I was on ice, going into the pulsing behavior that is normal when you are braking on slippery surfaces. I just kept on rolling.
When I realized that I was not going to stop I steered off and up an embankment on the side of the road but still dinged the car ahead which had successfully stopped behind the jerk that caused the accident (who of course drove off).
There was no skid rubber marks in the road. Is this the way antilock brakes are expected to work on the Highlander?
My wife has a 2005 Altima and I had a different situation at highway speeds where another jerk just changed lanes and cut right in front of me. When I slammed the brakes I laid down a patch of rubber, drastically reducing speed, but still maintained steering control to avoid the jerk.
Have others had similar behavior as me? I plan on having them checked at my next service but anticipate the "that's the way they are supposed to work".
I'm sure I could have avoided my accident in an old clunker without antilock brakes
Thanks
Yes, EXACTLY.
But there is a fly in the ointment.
While some car salespersons, idiots all, still continue to believe otherwise the actual, core purpose, of Anti-lock braking is NOT to allow you to stop more quickly or in a shorter distance. That might happen in some random situations but that will be pure happenstance.
The above information is in your owners manual in plain english.
The idea is to prevent a total skid wherein ALL traction of the front wheels is sacrificed to hard or severe braking, leaving nothing, ABSOLUTELY nothing, remaining for maintaining or regaining directional control of the vehicle.
I don't know if you remained HARD on the brake pedal when you began to stear away from the potential rear ender, but that is the actual purpose for which anti-lock is intended, to allow you to continue stearing during heavy or hard braking maneuvers.
One of these days some bright young automotive engineer will have a really bright idea and maybe then the anti-lock system will be coupled to the VSC system such that ABS will not activate until loss of directional control is impending.
In your case I have no doubt that provided the vehicle did not tend to skid sideways during your braking maneuver your vehicle would have come to a stop in a shorter distance than with ABS activation.
I've used the antilock brakes in a couple of emergency situations, once in the HL, and once in a Ford Ranger. Neither time do I recall leaving skid marks, though am not 100% positive I didn't. (In both cases the car ahead of me heard my braking and moved forward to prevent a fender bender; I was lucky.)
Google:
dictionary stearing
Steve, Host
One of the problems confronting anyone using English is the diversity of spellings and the names for common objects. I live in Australia, which has differing spellings of some words to either the USA or the UK (which is closer to Australian English). Thus in the UK and Australia, we use "centre" and "colour", which are both listed in my copy of Webster's as British variations of USA usage (with their own listings).
More complicated is the differences in descriptive terms. What Americans call the "hood" is a "bonnet" for both Australians and British readers. A "trunk" to us means a large box like object, typically made out of metal in which you put clothes or things . We refer to the space at the rear of a car with a separate opening a "boot".
What is even wierder is when you live in the UK and discover there are strong regional variations in words for household items. I travelled a lot when I lived in the UK and whilst a "sandwich" universally meant some food between two slices of bread, if the bread part was an object on its own, that might be a "roll", "bun", "bap" or heavens knows what else.
Taking it back to motor vehicles, it becomes very difficult to translate technical information particularly when the supplier uses marketing oriented names for particular functions.. You can see this currently by thinking about the variations in names used for Anti-lock braking, Assisted brake force distribution, Stability control and the like.
Practically, it helps to be tolerant of mis-spellings. The fact that brake is the correct spelling of the pedal you touch with your right foot to slow the car down and steer is what you do when turning that thing between your hands, does not mean that you understand the intention less well when it is spelt "break" or "stear".
I purposely do not use the Spell checker in Edmunds because of my use of Australian English. I can live with my mis-spellings or bad typing as readily as for anyone else.
Cheers
Graham
Yours is probably normal, especally since its a new car
The click is almost like a thunk, but the sound is coming from within the shift column, not under the hood. When I place it in park, you can directly tell the noise is coming from within the shift column. When I open the door, and place it in park, then I can audibly hear the click outside of the vehicle. I went out and drove again some more this evening, and now it's not making the noise consistently, which worries me even more. Arg!
Your transmission shift lever is LOCKED into the park position and you cannot move it out of that position without having the brakes applied. The solenoid will engage anytime the shifter is in park and the brakes are applied.
So, shift into park and release the brakes and then you will hear the "click" (thunk?) of the solenoid being de-energized.
If you look in the owners manual you will find a section on how to manually actuate this solenoid should it fail and you not be able to shift out of park.
wwest-That's exactly what the dealer told me this afternoon but they couldn't explain why it doesn't happen consistently. Any thoughts?
If you set the emergency break so the vehicle doesn't move you won't hear it...If you watch the gear selector when it makes the sound you will see it move a little.
40,000 miles now and no problems so don't worry about it.
Toyota did tell me this morning that sound could be intermittent depending if the vehicle was parked on a flat surface.
I replied a few pages back...took 3 trips to the dealer to get the right tech to inspect and drive it before we could get ours repaired. There is no TSB for the Highlander, just for the Camry. The first 2 techs said it was normal, the 3rd took a short ride and said he would order the parts and call us when they were in. We had 35,905 on the odometer, so I really wanted to get it covered if it was a problem and it really was.
If you have another dealer nearby, try them also. Where I live in northern NJ, by the NY border, we have 5 dealers I can readily think of within 25 miles of our home.
Does anyone have any idea or comments? We had the oil changed last weekend, could that have something to do with it? I know if you don't get the gas cap tight, it will cause these lights to come on. So if they don't get everything tight or knock something loose when changing the oil, will this cause this indicator light to come on?
I keep seeing mention of a FAQ area but have no idea how to get to the area, if someone knows can you post link and if you have any thoughts on what to do about this light, please advise. I have no idea if it is okay to drive the vehicle or not. Manual is very vague. :sick:
Sorry..couldn't resist. I used to always change my own oil, but it got harder to do on the newer cars, and just not worth the hassle anymore, with trying to avoid the mess with the "upside down or horizontaly mounted filters", and trying capture the old oil in something easy to take to a recycler....then actually keeping the inside of the car clean while transporting that dirty oil...
well worth the $25 price at the dealer. Just my humble opinion.
Changing on a 7,500 mile or longer interval works for me too. :shades:
Steve, Host
I believe Toyota has a steering column assembly design issue here but I doubt there will be sufficient focus put on this problem to get a recall started.
Chuck
Chuck