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2013 and earlier-Honda Accord Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • Hey [mattgg1],
    I received quotes from dealers that listed "No Charge" for some of the options I asked for but their bottom line was still substantially padded elsewhere. If they still have a ton of money in the deal somewhere else (over invoice) then what difference does it make WHAT they are charging you for that particular option or all the options together ON PAPER? It's all bait and switch! Make it look pretty over here (in the options department) but screw you over there ("pay no attention to that fool behind the curtain"). I'll bet if you go to enough sources (and you went to several) you may eventually find one of each optional item I listed as "FREE of charge" or "NO charge" by some dealer somewhere. But it's still the bottom line that counts. What you conveniently failed to mention about my explanation is when I said "The above options are initially shown to the buyer at a much higher RETAIL PRICE (more than double in many cases) BUT IT MEANS NOTHING! ONLY THE BOTTOM LINE MATTERS!" It's not important WHERE they put their profit ON PAPER (they have to make SOMETHING on the deal or it's NO DEAL). I was just explaining HOW "they" (my particular dealership where I purchased the vehicle from) eventually listed the pricing for the options on MY particular purchase agreement to arrive at the bottom line that I agreed to BEFORE they did the paperwork. They can shuffle the numbers around all they want and in any fashion they want but I'm still only paying $27,284.76 (not including tax and tags) WITH ALL THE OPTIONS I SELECTED! Here's YOUR challenge: You show me someone who bought the same identical car in the same identical state (Maryland) for $1,565.24 UNDER invoice and ALSO PAID WHAT YOU LISTED for each of the options . . . THEN I'LL BE IMPRESSED AND ALL SHOOK UP ABOUT IT (which is your obvious jealous intent). Show me a "purchase price" under $27,284.76 (not including tax and tags)for a NEW 2007 EX-L V-6 AT w/Navigation (no mileage) WITH those options and I'll be devastated to your complete satisfaction. Taking the lowest price from one source you found on a particular option over here and the lowest price you found on another particular option from another source over there and lumping them all together doesn't add up to nothing but a FUTILE ATTEMPT TO BUY A CAR (stop dreaming). IF you show me a NEW (no mileage) 2007 EX-L V-6 AT with Navigation WITHOUT ANY OPTIONS AT ALL for a purchase price SUBSTANTIALLY below $25,061.76 (not including tax and tags) THEN I will get all bent out of shape over it for, JUST FOR YOU, and complete your day :) When you do find it, I'll give you my fax number so you can send over the purchase order and rub my nose in it real good! As for the $300 Mop and Glow. Knock yourself out Dude!
  • mattgg1mattgg1 Posts: 191
    dwynne -

    You are correct, the prices I cited do not include the cost of labor.

    However, the majority of these options (splash guards, wheel locks, moldings, cargo net, wax/scotchguard) can be installed with little effort or cost.

    The only options requiring any real skill or time, as you mentioned, are the fog lights and spoiler. The price savings on the spoiler alone is $260. A friend of mine had a spoiler installed on a 2006 Accord for $50, which would still save you over $200.

    And you are correct, shipping is not included in those prices.

    However, in most cases you will not pay sales tax on these items (unless you live in the same state as the online company) as you would have to at the dealer, which should cover the cost of shipping.

    For example, sales tax on all of the options (except extended warranty & pinstripe) would total $126 in my state (6% sales tax). Yet total shipping costs from one of these sites was less than $50, which means you would save even more money.
  • mattgg1mattgg1 Posts: 191
    ballroomdancer -

    Wow! Judging by your post, I think you may need to lay off the caffeine! I think you've gotten a bit too worked up over my comments.

    I agree with you that it's the bottom line that counts, and that was my point in the first place.

    You paid about $1500 under invoice for your car, which is great, but you paid a lot more for all of your add-ons than they are worth. For the sake of argument, lets say you were overcharged $1000 on all of those options.

    This effectively means you paid about $500 under invoice, after facoring in being overcharged on the add-ons. This is in line with what most in this forum are paying, if not a bit higher.

    On a side note, I'm not sure why you're taking things so personally..."your obvious jealous intent", "devastated to your complete satisfaction", "rub my nose in it real good." Take some deep breaths and relax.
  • gringo1gringo1 Posts: 67
    Here in Colorado dealers are telling me 21.8k for an SE V-6 and that no Colorado Honda dealers have any market incentives on the Accord this month.

    I can go to Texas to buy or New Mexico.

    Anyone have info about Texas Accords or NM?

    Thx,
  • blufz1blufz1 Posts: 2,045
    Come on down,Pardner and do some biddness.
  • he8833he8833 Posts: 52
    ballroomdancer,

    I dont think Mattgg1 was trying to one-up you. He was simply trying to point out the fact that if bought online SOME of those items could have been purchased for less. Its sounds like you were very discplined and systematic in negoitating a price for your vechile. The purchase price of your car is one of the lowest I have seen. You are also correct in that people need to be careful when beliveing they recieved a good deal on the purchase price when @ the same time their getting screwed on the trade-in etc. So their so called "great deal" is anything but.

    I belive Mattgg1 post was helpful as some of the items if purchased online can be bought cheaper vs. purchasing from the dealer. This may help somone else whos considering those same options save money by purchasing them online vs purchasing throuugh a dealer, which is the very information this forum strives to get out.
  • tallman1tallman1 Posts: 1,874
    I agree... all posts are helpful. And the $1000 - $2000 below invoice seems to be the norm now.

    My only comment is that I think paying for the mop and glow is very questionable. Can't remember a savvy buyer who made that decision because it is almost pure dealer profit.
  • jmr237jmr237 Posts: 9
    I think you can do better. I found that a dealership's internet sales people will email a good quote right off the bat, but if you call them they'll go down without much prodding. Try to knock at least $500 off the $21,000, if not more.
  • mindaugasmindaugas Posts: 10
    It was Honda on Grand in Elmhurst. Do you want to pay cash for your new car or finance it ?
  • I sincerely appreciate your comments he8833. Obviously I had personal difficulty getting past Mattgg 1’s comment: "you still paid way too much" for the options. I couldn't help but feel he was deliberately missing the point in order to make it look like I "still paid way too much" for the options (go figure?). He may be having a difficult time understanding that I negotiated the car as a package! I’ll try to explain it again: I could not know ahead of time (and really didn't care) if the dealer would type in $1 for the cargo net or $500 for the cargo net. How the dealer wanted to juggle the numbers above the actual purchase price to meet my actual purchase price demand of $29,804 (OTD, including tax and tags) was of no interest to me! To say I "paid way too much" for the options is unfair. I only gave a thorough breakdown of how THE DEALER FILLED OUT THE PURCHASE ORDER. This way, everyone could see how it compared to the dealers normal retail pricing. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I ACTUALLY PAID FOR THE OPTIONS! I'll explain it another way in hopes that someone out there (that means you Mattgg 1) can understand and appreciate that I did NOT PAY $300 for MOP AND GLO or even $980 for the eight year extended warranty (zero deductible). HERE IS THE WAY THE DEAL SHOULD BE PROPERLY VIEWED (now pull out your calculators and read carefully): $28,264.76 (is the actual purchase amount for the car PLUS ALL THE OPTIONS excluding tax and tags). Now SUBSTRACT $26,627 (which is the invoice price for the HONDA EX-L V-6 AT with Navigation WITHOUT ANY OPTIONS excluding tax and tags). The difference on your calculator should be = $1,637.76. Think about it. I only paid a combined total price of $1,637.76 OVER the INVOICE PRICE for ALL of the following options: Splash Guards; Wheel Locks; Pinstripe; Paint Matched Moldings (i.e. Fender well and door edge trim, etc.); Rear Wing Spoiler; Fog Lights; Hood Switch Kit; Cargo Net; Eight (8) year Extended Honda Care Warranty (Zero Deductible) PLUS the Paint and Leather Protection Package. THE WAY I SEE IT that's averaging about $163 PER OPTION (above the invoice price, not including tax and tags). Any light bulbs going off out there? Now, ABOUT ALL THOSE NEGATIVE COMMENTS CONCERNING THE MOP AND GLO (this ones for you tallman1): You guys have got to quit kidding yourselves about all the exterior and interior hazards to a 30K vehicle just so you can save a few hundred dollars (or $163 in my case). To completely detail a car inside and out can cost way over $200 per visit. That’s means even if I did pay $300 for MOP AND GLO (which I didn’t) it would more than pay for itself if the P&L prevented me from paying for two “detailing” jobs. But you see, we’re not talking about a little wash and wax job here (Mop and Glo?). NOT ONE OF YOU GUYS WHO ARE BEING CRITICAL HAS PROBABLY EVEN READ THE PAINT AND LEATHER PROTECTION WARRANTY CERTIFICATE. So, I’m going to give to you the short and sweet READER"S DIGEST VERSION from the Paint and Leather Protection Certificates as follows: INTERIOR LEATHER (or cloth) Warranty (7 years/RENEWABLE FOR LIFE) “. . . against damage as a result of normal spills of water, coffee, soda, milk, baby oil, lubricating oil or greasy products such as mayonnaise and French fried potatoes or if the leather (or cloth) interior of the vehicle treated becomes damaged by FADING, DISCOLORING or CRACKING OF THE DASH . . . ECP will pay for CLEANING and/or REPAIR of the damaged area and reapplication to the cleaned or repaired material without charge to the vehicle owner. If stains are caused by dyes or bleaches, the remedy is limited to professional dyeing of the carpet or upholstery. EXTERIOR PAINT (New vehicles: 7 years/RENEWABLE FOR LIFE) “. . . against damage by FADING, chalking or LOSS OF GLOSS resulting from ESPOSURE TO THE SUN, weather-induced ACID RAIN, TREE SAP or BIRD DROPPINGS . . . ECP will PAY FOR REPAIR of the damaged portion of the vehicle.” So WHY did I personally elect to get the exterior paint and interior leather protection package (because tallman1 thinks I'm not "savvy"?) There are many reasons, but particularly because this vehicle will NOT be parked in a covered garage (UV damage to the paint). Instead, it will be parked in an open driveway surrounded by trees (and tree sap) which birds love to sit in and do their business as they fly over the car. Inside the car will be eating and spilling and my girl friends makeup all over the upholstery (let’s not forget the lubricants . AND GUESS WHAT? The P&L protection increases the resale value of my car and will save me a ton of money on exterior paint damage repairs and interior cleaning repairs (not to mention fewer detailing jobs). I'm certain I'll have to put in a claim or two and it will pay for itself all over again and again.
    FINAL ITEM (this one's for my favorite buddy: Mattgg 1): Addressing those comments above about “I COULD GET THAT OPTION CHEAPER SOMEWHERE ELSE AND INSTALL IT MYSELF” (i.e. wheel locks, etc.). Get your tools (which cost money) and use up your time (MY time is money) and RISK screwing up a 30K car investment (or advise some else to screw up their investment) by UNPROFESSIONALY installing a rear wing spoiler (or even a simple cargo net) or anything else that suits you. But, when I pick up MY car, it will ALL BE DONE and done perfectly and professionally. HERES THE KICKER: I WILL ALSO HAVE A MANUFACTURERS WARRANTY THAT COVERS EVERY SINGLE OPTION PUT ON MY VEHICLE BY THE DEALER. You however, and your DO-IT-YOURSELF buddies will have Diddly for a warranty! Dang, that caffeine’s got a good kick to it. Don’t it?
    Many thanks to those of you (past and future) who made very clear “positive” comments about my detailed post. I hope to have helped others save money too.
    Bye for now
  • tallman1tallman1 Posts: 1,874
    Wow.... read my post again. I said ALL comments were helpful. That includes yours. I'm glad you are happy with your price. I'm glad you are happy with the protection package. Just because I've never heard anyone say anything positive about it doesn't mean it won't be good for you. Lighten up.
  • This may/may not help. The lowest price that I was quoted in the San Francisco Bay Area, after very easy negotiation, was 16000 for the VP AT, which I bought. This included destination but not TTL.
  • I can do either. I was hoping cash would make it easier.

    RS
  • mattgg1mattgg1 Posts: 191
    Ballroomdancer –

    I’m truly amazed at how personally you’ve taken a few posts on a Priced Paid forum. Just because I have a differing opinion doesn’t mean I’m personally attacking your integrity. Lighten up.

    You describe how you paid “a combined total price of $1,637.76 OVER the INVOICE PRICE for ALL of the following options.” Which by your calculation, works out to “about $163 PER OPTION.”

    However, you are using the invoice price as a baseline. But as you can see by the many posts in this forum, buying an Accord for $1000-$2000 UNDER invoice has become easily achievable.

    Let’s assume that $1500 under invoice is a normal/average selling price for a new Accord with no options. This means that you paid $3137.67 MORE than the reasonable selling price ($1500 under invoice) for your vehicle, including all of the options.

    So divide the $3137.76 by the ten options on your car, and you come up with $314 PER OPTION. That is a lot of money per add-on, especially considering that a few of the options you selected have questionable (if any) value.

    With regard to the dealer mop & glow, if you are happy with it, then that’s all that matters. From your post, it sounds like you agreed with everything the dealer said in their generic Vehicle Protection Package sales pitch (“increased resale value” really made me laugh). However, if you took a poll of all the educated buyers on this web site, VERY FEW would claim that this protection is a good value at any price.

    As I mentioned before, you would get the same or better protection using aftermarket products at a much lower cost. And your protection package is NOT a substitute for washing/cleaning/detailing the car yourself to keep it looking good. The warranty only covers “DAMAGE”, they won’t detail your car or clean out the french fries/crumbs/makeup you plan on spilling. It’s hard to imagine you will save “a ton of money” on “cleaning repairs” unless you plan on really trashing your car.

    About the options…if you don’t want to buy them online and install them yourself, you could either 1) have someone else do it for a nominal fee, or 2) use those prices to negotiate with the dealer and make them drastically cut the huge markup on these options.

    Secondly, accessories ordered online do indeed come with a Honda warranty…”All of the genuine Honda accessories we sell are covered by Honda's 12 month/12,000 mile warranty against defects.”
  • carquote1carquote1 Posts: 20
    On that note....Does anyone know where I can get a list of prices or can some one post what accessories should cost at a reasonable price. I have seen the prices on the accessory websites, but what prices be had at the dealership with the required installation.I am interested in the auto dimming mirror w/ compass, the outside temperature gauge, all season mats, body side trim, wheel lock, and cargo net. If anyone knows what these have or should be going for I would appreciate it.
  • jcash2dsjcash2ds Posts: 29
    I’m truly amazed at how personally you’ve taken a few posts on a Priced Paid forum. Just because I have a differing opinion doesn’t mean I’m personally attacking your integrity. Lighten up.

    However, you are using the invoice price as a baseline. But as you can see by the many posts in this forum, buying an Accord for $1000-$2000 UNDER invoice has become easily achievable.

    Let’s assume that $1500 under invoice is a normal/average selling price for a new Accord with no options. This means that you paid $3137.67 MORE than the reasonable selling price ($1500 under invoice) for your vehicle, including all of the options.


    It seems that your "differing opinion" is translating to "you made a mistake. You paid TOO much." You may not be attacking his integrity (like he gives a flip), but you are in fact criticizing his method of purchasing a car, which has already been paid for and he cannot change that. You are doing no help to him or to others by belittling his purchase strategy or the amount he paid.
    If he has enough dough to pay cash for a 30k car, why in the world would he go to the trouble of installing 3-400 dollar accessories when he could just pay for it, unless he really enjoys doing it himself? Just because he felt comfortable paying for a certified technician to properly install, inspect, and guarantee the options, doesn't mean he made a bad deal. Could he have done better? Possibly.. but -->

    You cannot insinuate that 1500 below invoice is the norm for everyone who looks at an Accord. Sure, many and most people are getting around that range, but keep in mind those few dealers who are NOT going well below invoice. It varies with region and even within salesmen. It's a little biased to use Invoice-1500 as a starting point. Besides, did you buy it 1500 under? ;)
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    It seems that your "differing opinion" is translating to "you made a mistake. You paid TOO much." You may not be attacking his integrity (like he gives a flip), but you are in fact criticizing his method of purchasing a car, which has already been paid for and he cannot change that. You are doing no help to him or to others by belittling his purchase strategy or the amount he paid.

    Well, in a way, it WILL help others learn to negotiate each part of the deal to avoid being "taken" by a dealer. It is the same reason you don't mention a trade in before negotiating the sale price of the car. The same principle applies here, that some people may have never thought of previously, and mattgg1 brought that up, which unfortunately and coincidentally, made it look like ballroomdancer or whatever the name is got a bad deal.

    Personally, I don't think it was a good deal, and that is just one moderately educated opinion. His deal is done, however. What we CAN do is talk about the methods for purchasing, as opposed to getting in a frenzy about one person's deal. Better yet, take these types of conversations to the "Smart Shoppers" board, which a host will be happy to link you to. ***NOTICE: This was not meant to be offensive personally to anyone, anywhere. :sick: ***
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 27,603
    Let's move on..

    Thanks!

    MODERATOR
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  • blufz1blufz1 Posts: 2,045
    I just want to know if they threw in some tail fins at cost on that deal.
  • cjamaalecjamaale Posts: 8
    And I would like to get some pricing on the following accessories as well:

    EX Sport Package (includes Rear Wing Spoiler, Auto Day/Night Rearview Mirror w/ Compass, and Foglamps)

    IPOD Music Link

    I am looking @ Honda EX-L V-6 MT w/Navigation, so I know I need to be between $1,000 - $2,000 below invoice, but need to know how much I should pay for the above accessories. I hear the Music Link is crap, but the EX Sport Package is for sure, so any help would be appreciated.
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