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SUV vs Minivans

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yes, good point, 8 passenger only comes with the CE and LE models. You could add aftermarket Katskins leather if you really had to, but other equipment would still be missing..

    The Odyssey offers an 8 seat model, but the seat is more narrow, it's really just a bridge between the 2 others seats. I'm not sure if 3 child seats across would even fit, as the seats tend to be fairly wide.

    Ody and Sienna are the only 2 minivans to offer 8 seats, IIRC.

    Here's a pic of that van's interior:

    http://automobiles.honda.com/images/2009/odyssey/interior/interior-header.jpg

    I would test-fit your car seats first, to make sure they fit. It has fewer tether anchors, too, I've heard.

    Toyota will launch a new Sienna soon, but the middle row looks more like the Ody's, with a narrow mother-in-law seat in the middle. Can't find a pic with the 8th seat, but it would go between these chairs:

    http://image.automobilemag.com/f/31553694+w750+st0/2011-toyota-sienna-interior-s- econd-row-seats.jpg
  • occupant1occupant1 Posts: 408
    Whether 'tis nobler to weather the slings and arrows of being a minivan owner, or to take arms against a sea of troubles, and by driving an SUV, end them...

    My wife has given the go-ahead to try and sell our 2000 Durango (199K, 2WD, 318, 6-passenger) to attempt to purchase a same generation Chrysler minivan (I found a well-kept '98 T&C with 184K locally, the guy is willing to trade even up).

    Our Durango has been an interesting purchase. We bought it from a dealer in Oklahoma on eBay, knowing three things: a) it was a good looking truck inside and out, b) the engine was known to be bad, and c) it was a bank repossession with 172K on it. For $1700 in February 2009, it was a good deal. I went to a junkyard and purchased a 124K mile engine for $600 and paid $550 for my local mechanic to install it. We had a running driving truck with cold AC for the next year. Two problems got fixed, one, the torque converter bolts backed out and our mechanic fixed this for free, and two, the radiator and water pump failed. We had those fixed for about $230 each and it's been great. Now the A/C has a leak at the port where you fill it, and it's a $120 part. So we're looking into the minivan thing, because finding a third row seat to match the interior is driving my wife and I crazy. They're either the wrong color, or the wrong fabric, or the junkyard wants $400+ for the setup.

    If nothing else, it will be a learning experience. The last Chrysler van I drove was a taxi in Dallas, a 1999 Grand Voyager with the 3.3L. It was very comfortable to drive and I look forward to that experience with the Chrysler. I'll update here as needed. I know my wife will miss her truck, but I also know she would love to take our kids to see my grandmother for the first time before she passes, and with the 6-passenger Durango, one of us would have to stay home.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    You must have some funny junk-yard stories to tell.

    Good luck with the swap.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,004
    I just did a quickie road trip and saw one car broken down on the side of the road in 3 days. It was an old Caravan/Voyager - it was a short wheel base one like my old '89. It was probably pushing 250,000 miles.

    I had a rental Grand Caravan a couple of years back and it drove well. I was happy with the free upgrade.

    Oh, I need tires on my current van so we took the Outback. It'll hold everything we need, but the van sure is easier to pack. More comfy too.

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I take it 3 years ago is not "recent"? :D
  • Hello my husband and I are going to be car shopping in March. We will be buying either his or mine cash . He is getting a 2010 Charger while me the mommmmmmmmmm has to get a SUV or mini van........ Which I don't want a mini van. Currently I have a Armada but bc of the high miles I will be selling it and putting the cost to a new SUV for me. I did look at the 2011 Odyssey (spelling) and I love the look on the outside but honestly don't know. I think I'm gonna get a Honda Pilot. I'll be honest.......... and say I like the look of my Armada a lot better then the Pilot and Odyssey however bc we are coming into some money to buy two new cars I need to stay within a certian price.( One car will be cash probley my husbands ) and I'll put $15,000 down on mine. I want to keep my payments as low as I can and bc of our credit I THINK that is leading me to a Honda Pilot. I wish it was a 2010 or 2011 Armada but the cost difference is just to much for us as the whole goal is to get my car payment down lower then what it is now.

    We have to have 8 seats. Cargo is not a big worry as I do shopping when kids are at school etc. We will be going on Vacation next summer however will use the luggage rack for that.

    Can anyone give us advice on if it is smarter to buy a 2010 Charger with cash and put $15,000 down on a Pilot or Pay Pilot Cash and say put $10,000 down on the Charger and finance that?

    also does anyone know how much they come down on prices if your buying cash? Say the SUV cost $32,000 ( the New Pilot we looked at today) How much do you think they normally come down on it if it's cash? thanks in advance.

    A heart broken Armada owner LOL

    btw my kids are older kids and fit fine in the Armada.
  • Also. does anyone know since we won't be buying for 6 months ( when we get the money) how much the price will come down on 2010 models?
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    It won't matter; there won't be any new 2010s left by Spring of 2011.
  • cccompsoncccompson Posts: 2,388
    Paying cash does not result in any price reduction on a vehicle - in fact, it deprives the dealer of another way to make money because they don't get a cut of any financing.

    When the time comes, closely examine manufacturer financing incentives. Dodge seems to run zero percent deals frequently, certainly a better way to go than paying cash for a vehicle that will depreciate like a rock. Also, Honda always runs a big President's day promotion in February.

    Last thought, unless you really need 4wd, get over that minivan dislike. Feature for feature, they are usually less expensive than an SUV. Further, they drive and ride better, are easier to park, a far more versatile (try hauling 4 x 8 foot sheets of plywood in a Pilot) , and get better mileage than SUVs.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I was about to post the same thing - look at what finance incentives each has when it's time to buy.

    Pay cash on the car with more cash back, and finance the car with the more attractive loan rate. Win-win.

    The Charger is being updated soon so expect big incentives. The Pilot is also getting long in the tooth.

    Another thought - don't buy the Pilot if you don't like it. Lowering the payment won't make you happy if you don't like what you're driving. Get another CPO Armada or something.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    You mean the new for 2009 Pilot? I'm not a fan of it, but it's hardly old by today's standards. The CX-9, Highlander, and Murano are all at least as old (most older) than the current Pilot, aren't they?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Wow, is it that new?

    I guess I didn't really like it when I came out, so I'm already looking forward to the redesign.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Sadly yes; the original Pilot debuted in 2002 as a 2003 model and ran for 6 years (like the Odyssey which officially ran '05-'10).
  • mtnman1mtnman1 Westerville, OhioPosts: 382
    What about the Buick Enclave, GMC Acadia, or the Chevy Traverse. Worlds better looking than the Pilot and about as versatile as a Mini Van. Give them a look at the very least.
  • petras2petras2 Posts: 104
    Absolutely agree with your suv/minivan comparison..I'm amazed at how many people reject minivans mainly because of their looks..for the money minivans, especially the honda lx, (base version), are hard to beat..we enjoy taking long trips in it and absolutely love the versatility it offers..
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I have one and my favorite feature are the power doors. They take no space and have huge openings, even the dog can just hop in. Much easier access.

    My only regret is not getting a power hatch (for when you have something heavy in your arms).

    Also, a good mid-size SUV will have about 70-100 cubic feet capacity.

    A similarly sized minivan will have 150. So up to double the space.

    You really have to go to a Suburban to match a minivan, and then you're vehicle is nearly two feet longer.
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  • Well I personally prefer SUVs but I was practically forced to buy a minivan. I just sold my 2007 Acura MDX. SUVs are nice and make you look rich. Midsize SUVs usually have luxurious design but aren't as comfortable as minivans. Their 3rd row seating isn't very practical. If you have over two children or you travel a lot with a large and older family then I recommend a minivan. If you don't travel a lot an you have a small family of three or less then midsize SUVs are fine. Just the space becomes in an issue with midsize SUVs. Now full size SUVs are better but they have terrible fuel consumption. They also usually have very high interest rates and are very expensive. No one really buys them and they have terrible resale value. They also don't have as many features as minivans.

    Since I got rid of my X5 I just bought a Honda Odyssey Touring Elite for 43,000 dollars, which is the fully upgraded model. I wasn't so happy selling my MDX but I had to as I have one 15 year old and an 11 year old. I also travel with my cousin and his wife plus his 14 year old son. Our MDX became a headache. My son complained a so much about the third row, so we sold our MDX last week. Then we visited the toyota dealer and checked out the Sienna. Then we went to Honda and I checked the Odyssey out. I sat in the third row and man was it comfortable or what. Very easily can three full size adults fit in the third row. Now then my wife and I debated between Odyssey and Sienna. My wife and I both loved the Odyssey. It is perfect for young children if you have any, even though we don't. I love the space. The Odyssey has some really nice features such as: a cool box, flat fold third row seats, power rear hatch, power sliding doors, ultrawide rear entertainment screen, and what not! I highly recommend the Honda Odyssey 2011. AMAZING MINIVAN!!!
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